F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 27

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Stop pretending like you 'care' about the mother.

People shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage, then using abortion clinics as birth control. Yes, there are extreme cases of rape and incest. It's a tricky subject in that regard but abortion as a whole is a despicable practice that needs to be outlawed.

A woman died in Ireland a few years back because she was denied an abortion... You think that's pro-life?

yeah, i agree with you there... Abortion is not birth control... but when there is a viable and severe threat to the mother's life or if there's a severe &/or life threatening/shortening condition discovered for the baby, then how is it right to deny the mother potentially life saving medical treatment... or not take action that prevents a life of pain and suffering for the baby?
 
Stop pretending like you 'care' about the mother.

People shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage, then using abortion clinics as birth control. Yes, there are extreme cases of rape and incest. It's a tricky subject in that regard but abortion as a whole is a despicable practice that needs to be outlawed.

Oh, the babies! The far right just wuvs widdle preborn babies the most! Until they're born, and then they don't care if they are forcibly separated from their parents, don't have adequate health care, clean water or educational opportunities.

So howsabout you don't have any abortions and let other people decide what to do with their own frikkin bodies?
 
Stop pretending like you 'care' about the mother.

People shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage, then using abortion clinics as birth control. Yes, there are extreme cases of rape and incest. It's a tricky subject in that regard but abortion as a whole is a despicable practice that needs to be outlawed.
What law says this?
 
I’ve fortunately never been confronted with having to make that decision, but abortions even cheap? The way some people paint it, having an abortion is as cheap and easy as buying tic tacs.
 
What law says this?

Outside of statutory rape ones... None I can think of currently. But this silly kind of statement belies the reality of human nature but also exposes the mentality of many on the far right. If the CJ's of the world could pass a law against it, regardless of how it would be enforced, they would.
 
Pregnant Women Say They Miscarried In Immigration Detention And Didn't Get The Care They Needed

Two weeks after arriving in the US seeking asylum, E, 23, found herself in a detention cell in San Luis, Arizona, bleeding profusely and begging for help from staff at the facility. She was four months pregnant and felt like she was losing her baby. She had come to the US from El Salvador after finding out she was pregnant, in the hopes of raising her son in a safer home.

“An official arrived and they said it was not a hospital and they weren’t doctors. They wouldn’t look after me,” she told BuzzFeed News, speaking by phone from another detention center, Otay Mesa in San Diego. “I realized I was losing my son. It was his life that I was bleeding out. I was staining everything. I spent about eight days just lying down. I couldn’t eat, I couldn’t do anything. I started crying and crying and crying.”

Stuck in detention and having lost her baby, E says she wouldn’t have come to the US seeking a safer life if she’d known what would happen. She asked that her full name not to be used out of fear of repercussions while in detention and for her family back home.

“My soul aches that there are many pregnant women coming who could lose their babies like I did and that they will do nothing to help them,” she said.

About a week after speaking with BuzzFeed News, E gave up her fight for asylum, accepted voluntary departure, and was deported back to El Salvador.

In May, Attorney General Jeff Sessions publicly introduced the “zero tolerance” immigration policy that has led to children being separated from their parents at the border, sparked national outrage, and triggered an executive order from President Trump. While the national focus has been on family separations, another Department of Homeland Security policy quietly introduced by the Trump administration five months earlier has devastated women fleeing violence in their home countries: the detention of pregnant women not yet in their third trimester.
In a congressional hearing in May — just weeks before the news broke that immigration officials were separating immigrant families — Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen told Congress about the care she said ICE provided to pregnant detainees.

“We provide them with prenatal care, we provide them separate housing, we provide them specialists, we will take them to appointments if they need to go somewhere else, we provide them counseling,” Nielsen listed.

“They are not only given adequate care in facilities, but it is much better care than when they are living in the shadows.”

“It’s a lie. They didn’t give me anything,” said Rubia Mabel Morales Alfaro, 28, who was in ICE detention from around Dec. 23 to March 15 this year. E also said she had received none of the services. “If they had had that, I would not have lost my son. I don’t understand why they won’t take care of pregnant women,” she said.

"There are so many horror stories of medical neglect that I’ve heard inside [detention centers] that I can’t even remotely fathom a scenario where a pregnant woman would be better off in detention than being released,” Luis Guerra, a legal advocate at Catholic Legal Immigration Network, Inc. (CLINIC), told BuzzFeed News.


Three lawyers and two medical workers who work with detainees told BuzzFeed News that the treatment of pregnant women was substantially different before Trump took office. Pregnant women were often released from CBP centers faster than other detainees, particularly after August 2016, when ICE issued a policy limiting detention of pregnant women to only “extraordinary” circumstances or cases of mandatory detention. Often it took only a phone call to the center to get a pregnant woman released on parole, Linda Rivas, the executive director of Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center, told BuzzFeed News. After Trump entered the White House, these calls stopped working, she said. And after the new policy was announced, advocates stopped having a reason to think they would.

Much more at the link:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emaoconnor...etention-trump?utm_term=.xfBpxe7J1#.wgAmwq34e
 
My quick view shows that he has a view of expanding the Executive's power. Which is quite disturbing. Especially since SCOTUS seems like they don't want to get into checking the executive.

He also said presidents shouldn't be in trouble in civil cases either. That congress should pass laws to protect a president. So he's thinking of the political side, over the legal side.

Trump said he was making his choice from a list provided to him by conservative groups.Trump's reason for choosing him is wrong, as he's obviously picking his choice to cover his own ass. Which is telling that he thinks the most important reason to picking a SCOTUS nominee is to protect himself in case of legal jeopardy.

On the plus side, Trump's being short sided. It seems some republicans don't like him either, and it may be easier to block him than some of the other choices.
 
Outside of statutory rape ones... None I can think of currently. But this silly kind of statement belies the reality of human nature but also exposes the mentality of many on the far right. If the CJ's of the world could pass a law against it, regardless of how it would be enforced, they would.

Too many on the Far Right also fight against sex health education and contraception and Plan B measures. They deliberately increase the likelihood of teen pregnancy and then have the audacity to flip out when that teen turns to the only other means available to her ie an abortion.

And what beats all is when they outlaw abortions they wipe their hands and act like the problem is solved and ignore the ugly fact that the abortions then take place in homes and dirty unequipped back alley facilities that endanger the mother because that's the only place pregnant women can turn.

Ironically the same foolishness has turned prostitution in america into the unregulated black market monstrosity it is today. Hell, even the medieval Church understood the necessity of brothels. They didnt like them but they understood that society was sinful and that sin and lust needs some sort of outlet.
 
Pregnant Women Say They Miscarried In Immigration Detention And Didn't Get The Care They Needed



Much more at the link:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emaoconnor...etention-trump?utm_term=.xfBpxe7J1#.wgAmwq34e

Not the first problem this administration has had with pregnant immigrants, last one was with teen immigrants. So I'm not surprised. I wish I could even say I'm surprised at the horrific loss of life, but just look at Puerto Rico. Possibly thousands dead according to third party investigations. Yet no mention of PR by the Trump administration since. Hell, at the time they were going, "Texas, Florida, we'll be there for you as long as needed! Puerto Rico, pay your bills, we can't take care of you forever, do it yourself!"

Just a bit ago CJ said, "why's he evil?" I could point to the racism, misogyny, elitism. But I think the loss of life, and treating poor "others" is telling enough. Immigrants, and even fellow Americans in PR, are being let to die, because Trump sees them as others. As not as worthy of living as he is, partly because of his race, and wealth.

I.e. people are literally needlessly dying under him in large numbers.
 
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And if we focus on the GOP as a whole this isnt even the first time that the GOP has been in power during a major hurricane and dropped the ball so spectacularly. That they let this happen a second time is gross malicious negligence.
 
Oh, the babies! The far right just wuvs widdle preborn babies the most! Until they're born, and then they don't care if they are forcibly separated from their parents, don't have adequate health care, clean water or educational opportunities.

So howsabout you don't have any abortions and let other people decide what to do with their own frikkin bodies?

"Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're ****ed"

They don't give a ****, it's just about controlling others.
 
Kavanaugh said with a straight face:

I have witnessed first hand your appreciation for the vital role of the American judiciary. No president has ever consulted more widely or talked with more people from more background to seek input about a Supreme Court nomination. Mr. President, I am grateful to you.

That is so much BS
 
What law says this?

When did CJ say anything about legality? He was talking about what people shouldn't be doing. Saying that someone should not (or should) be engaging in a behavior is absolutely not the same thing as saying there is a law regarding the behavior.

Hey, I think people shouldn't be eating junk food every meal. If I state that, am I implying that there is (or should be) a law prohibiting a full-junk-food diet? Or, am I just saying that people ought to be making better choices regarding their diet? By the way, by saying "ought to," I'm not saying there's a law that says that about dietary choices. Just so we're clear . . .

Or, better yet: I think people shouldn't smoke pot recreationally, but I support full legalization of marijuana. I actually believe that people shouldn't be engaging in a behavior that I believe they have the legal right to do. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?!?!?! :o
 
Kavanaugh said with a straight face:

I have witnessed first hand your appreciation for the vital role of the American judiciary. No president has ever consulted more widely or talked with more people from more background to seek input about a Supreme Court nomination. Mr. President, I am grateful to you.

That is so much BS

Guess he passed Cheetoh's loyalty test.
 
When did CJ say anything about legality? He was talking about what people shouldn't be doing. Saying that someone should not (or should) be engaging in a behavior is absolutely not the same thing as saying there is a law regarding the behavior.

Then he should butt out of other people's business. It's not his business nor mine as to what women (or other men) do with their own bodies, as long as it's safe and legal.

CJ can take his holier-than-thou attitude elsewhere.
 
Stop pretending like you 'care' about the mother.

People shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage, then using abortion clinics as birth control. Yes, there are extreme cases of rape and incest. It's a tricky subject in that regard but abortion as a whole is a despicable practice that needs to be outlawed.


I maintain a healthy level of skepticism about what you do and don't care about.
 
I maintain a healthy level of skepticism about what you do and don't care about.

So many of the "WE MUST SAVE THE WIDDLE BABIES!" anti-abortion types are also dead set against things that have proven effective in preventing abortions - Availability of both daily and emergency contraception, spreading the word on condom usage, sex education in schools that actually discusses (Gasp!) sex, and spending on child care, health care and educational programs for at risk youth. Why, a cynic among us might think that those crocodile tears about THE BABIES! may be more against restricting female behavior that doesn't fit their personal religious beliefs!
 
And they want to shut down Planned Parenthood, which also provides free contraceptives to people to help mitigate unplanned pregnancies.
 
Like I said, **** ICE.

And in other news, Trump is saying his meeting with Putin will be the easiest of his trip.
 
When did CJ say anything about legality? He was talking about what people shouldn't be doing. Saying that someone should not (or should) be engaging in a behavior is absolutely not the same thing as saying there is a law regarding the behavior.

Hey, I think people shouldn't be eating junk food every meal. If I state that, am I implying that there is (or should be) a law prohibiting a full-junk-food diet? Or, am I just saying that people ought to be making better choices regarding their diet? By the way, by saying "ought to," I'm not saying there's a law that says that about dietary choices. Just so we're clear . . .

Or, better yet: I think people shouldn't smoke pot recreationally, but I support full legalization of marijuana. I actually believe that people shouldn't be engaging in a behavior that I believe they have the legal right to do. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?!?!?! :o
Why shouldn't people be having sex outside of marriage? And if the answer is unwanted pregnancy, that is easily preventable long before an abortion. Contraception. But people want to interfere with that as well.
 
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