F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 27

[Gothamsknight]

You want ICE gone? Fine...get rid of it and the border security and the police while you are at it...you know what screw law and order, let the savages rule...maybe people you know or yourself will go the way of Kate Steinle who died in front of her father....but a President trying to enforce...you know...THE LAW, and the nutjobs are out in full force....SMH

I always find it hilariously pathetic how some people always have to pinpoint a domestic murder, or something that happened years ago but pretty much ignore the terrorist acts by our own kind every few months that kill dozens of people in the process. what happened to her was horrible, don't get me wrong, but cherry picking doesn't make you look good. my father brings up the Rodney king riots whenever I mention a white person shooting up concerts or schools. sounds racist to me, and it's the stuff trumpers love to go on about. Meanwhile, kids under 5 are being ripped from their parents by an orange fat moron with tiny hands who is so insecure about himself that he'll do anything to gain support, even if it means by racists.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because clearly our only two options are the utter abolition of law and order and descending into Mad Max anarchy, or putting babies in jail


Clearly, we have NO other options between those two.

 

[SV Fan]

I always find it hilariously pathetic how some people always have to pinpoint a domestic murder, or something that happened years ago but pretty much ignore the terrorist acts by our own kind every few months that kill dozens of people in the process. what happened to her was horrible, don't get me wrong, but cherry picking doesn't make you look good.

What to me is even worse the whole Kate Steinle being shot was an accident so they want to point to this as some common issue we should fear from people here illegally?

 

[SV Fan]

It would, but such is the insanity of people with off-the-rails belief in the supernatural. Abortions are bad, but so are contraception because god declared sex to be acceptable only under the most strict of circumstances, and contraception promotes sex-for-fun.

It does feel like many on the Pro Life side don't give a rat's ass about people getting abortions more then like they feel like people should be punished having children if they break some moral code of what they feel the bible says. My guess is they don't like pregnancy prevention programs because that defeats the purpose of pushing the puritan lifestyle

 

[Zarex]

Woman accidentally shot by an undocumented immigrant - "We must prevent this tragedy from ever happening ever by breaking up families seeking asylum, sending military goon squads after citizens suspected of being here illegally and spending billions on a wall between our country and our southern neighbor.

Hundreds of people slaughtered annually in mass shootings "Thoughts and prayers!"

 

[Schlosser85]

Because it is not about abortion. Their lack of any kind of care for what happens to poor children post-birth puts the lie to their argument being on moral grounds. It's about controlling and subjugating women by restricting their reproductive rights and trying to turn back the clock to the "good old days" and "family values" of the 1950s when men were the head of the household, women knew their place, people didn't have sex outside of wedlock (openly) or get abortions (openly), people weren't gay (openly), and what they view as the proper order of things was safe and secure.


It's just an attempt to impose their own Biblical ideals of social order on all of us, dressed up in a flood of crocodile tears about abortion.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Woman accidentally shot by an undocumented immigrant - "We must prevent this tragedy from ever happening ever by breaking up families seeking asylum, sending military goon squads after citizens suspected of being here illegally and spending billions on a wall between our country and our southern neighbor.

Hundreds of people slaughtered annually in mass shootings "Thoughts and prayers!"

Yup.

 

[Zarex]

It does feel like many on the Pro Life side don't give a rat's ass about people getting abortions more then like they feel like people should be punished having children if they break some moral code of what they feel the bible says. My guess is they don't like pregnancy prevention programs because that defeats the purpose of pushing the puritan lifestyle

Well, our "evangelical christian" chums CLEARLY aren't holding everyone up to the same standards regarding leading a puritanical lifestyle.

I see it as more a desire for control. They clearly don't want women making these choices regarding their own precious bodily fluids. In fact, if Congress passed a law stripping abortion rights away from women and handing them over to the fella that impregnated them I suspect the procedure would suddenly become much more available and a lot cheaper.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Because it is not about abortion. Their lack of any kind of care for what happens to poor children post-birth puts the lie to their argument being on moral grounds. It's about controlling and subjugating women by restricting their reproductive rights and trying to turn back the clock to the "good old days" and "family values" of the 1950s when men were the head of the household, women knew their place, people didn't have sex outside of wedlock (openly) or get abortions (openly), people weren't gay (openly), and what they view as the proper order of things was safe and secure.


It's just an attempt to impose their own Biblical ideals of social order on all of us, dressed up in a flood of crocodile tears about abortion.

Exactly. These people don't give a crap about "the babies." If they did, hey would, I don't know, care when children are thrown in cages or get shot while attending school. This is all about making the country unlivable for anyone who isn't white, straight, Christian* and male.


*Christian in this context refers to the type of person who talks about loving Jesus all the time but has never taken the time to actually comprehend anything he ever said.

 

[Schlosser85]

Well, our "evangelical christian" chums CLEARLY aren't holding everyone up to the same standards regarding leading a puritanical lifestyle.

I see it as more a desire for control. They clearly don't want women making these choices regarding their own precious bodily fluids. In fact, if Congress passed a law stripping abortion rights away from women and handing them over to the fella that impregnated them I suspect the procedure would suddenly become much more available and a lot cheaper.

If men could get pregnant, you'd see a steep drop-off in opposition to abortion.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Hahaha you've got that right.

 

[squeekness]

If men could get pregnant, you'd see a steep drop-off in opposition to abortion.

You know it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

When people talk about the good old days, you have to consider who it was actually good for.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Woman accidentally shot by an undocumented immigrant - "We must prevent this tragedy from ever happening ever by breaking up families seeking asylum, sending military goon squads after citizens suspected of being here illegally and spending billions on a wall between our country and our southern neighbor.

Hundreds of people slaughtered annually in mass shootings "Thoughts and prayers!"

Yup! Their agenda is beyond clear

 

[Gothamsknight]

Because it is not about abortion. Their lack of any kind of care for what happens to poor children post-birth puts the lie to their argument being on moral grounds. It's about controlling and subjugating women by restricting their reproductive rights and trying to turn back the clock to the "good old days" and "family values" of the 1950s when men were the head of the household, women knew their place, people didn't have sex outside of wedlock (openly) or get abortions (openly), people weren't gay (openly), and what they view as the proper order of things was safe and secure.


It's just an attempt to impose their own Biblical ideals of social order on all of us, dressed up in a flood of crocodile tears about abortion.

This is an absolutely perfect way to sum it up,

 

[Fading]

If men could get pregnant, you'd see a steep drop-off in opposition to abortion.

You're on fire today, lol.

In some states a rapist can try to get visitation rights, or try to get the child in custody. Let it sink in that in that some law makers think it's ok to force a woman to carry a rapists child. Then either force the rape victim to have to come face to face with the rapist occasionally to hand her child over to him, or just let the rapist have the child.

Plenty of laws definitely have a more male-centric way of thinking. Like how quite a few law makers are so against allowing birth control pills to be part of health care plans. However, birth control pills have other health benefits, beyond preventing an unwanted birth.

 

[Herofan]

That's the part I don't understand. I would think free and easy contraception would eliminate the need for most abortions.

I don't think much of the Republican politicians and/or base is against contraceptives, they just dislike (as they do with with most products) them being free or subsidized, especially if the subsidized provider organization also performs abortions.

 

[Donner]

I don't think much of the Republican politicians and/or base is against contraceptives, they just dislike (as they do with with most products) them being free or subsidized, especially if the subsidized provider organization also performs abortions.

Which is, for obvious reasons, a completely ridiculous argument.

 

[Herofan]

There's just that portion of the population that doesn't see immigrants as people. Ignoring what immigration has meant to the US, or how it benefits the economy. Or how we have an aging population, with lots of jobs.

It sure seems to be a dogma of the left that immigration (including mass illegal immigration) benefits the economy and aggravating that others could think anything otherwise.
We do not have lots of jobs, let alone to the point that unemployment, people losing or being unable to get jobs or only able to get low-wage jobs shouldn't be considered a problem, to think and say that seems quite like thinking that the unemployed and the low-earning aren't people.

 

[Zarex]

I don't think much of the Republican politicians and/or base is against contraceptives, they just dislike (as they do with with most products) them being free or subsidized, especially if the subsidized provider organization also performs abortions.

Then why, pray tell, do Republican politicians promote abstinence only sex education rather than providing young people with medical facts? A cynic may suggest that it has more to do with imposing morality than avoiding subsidies.

 

[CJ]

Nevermind

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Love how my posts are constantly getting deleted.

If this is true, perhaps take it as a sign of the mods giving you a chance to stay in this forum and don't turn down the implied advice.

 

[CJ]

Whoops. New page. I see my posts are still on the previous page. My bad. Still had other posts deleted in the past though.

 

[SV Fan]

I don't think much of the Republican politicians and/or base is against contraceptives, they just dislike (as they do with with most products) them being free or subsidized, especially if the subsidized provider organization also performs abortions.

Way I look at it is if somebody is for fiscal conservativism they should be for these pregnancy prevention programs which include contraception. In the long run they save a lot of money.

it to me feels like many conservatives rather make a point then be practical at times

 

[CJ]

So CJ, you're not gonna answer to the criticism pointed at you at all?

Classic.

Hm? Sorry I was away. Fill me in