F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

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Says the guy who also saw millions of Muslims in New Jersey cheering on 9/11.

Didn't the protests in France start over a new gas tax? Championed by people who drive for a living, the yellow vests. With Macron being seen as an elitist, and his new tax driving already high gas prices higher in a way that hurts the middle class, and poor more than wealthy people.

Past Macron saying this was to help combat environmental change, I'm not seeing how this ties in to the Paris Climate agreement, at all. I know Trump has been hardcore anti environment, and is probably looking for a way to rag on an Obama era thing again. But these protests are more of a cost of living protest.
 
Didn't the protests in France start over a new gas tax? Championed by people who drive for a living, the yellow vests. With Macron being seen as an elitist, and his new tax driving already high gas prices higher in a way that hurts the middle class, and poor more than wealthy people.

Past Macron saying this was to help combat environmental change, I'm not seeing how this ties in to the Paris Climate agreement, at all. I know Trump has been hardcore anti environment, and is probably looking for a way to rag on an Obama era thing again. But these protests are more of a cost of living protest.
It ties because the gas tax is essentially a carbon tax. It was supposed to get folks to drive less. Thing is most people agree we need to do something about climate change but then balk when it costs more money or requires any sort of real effort. :( I personally wouldn't have a problem paying more for gas if the tax money went to green energy, but maybe that's because I can afford it more than others.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8604ed88993_story.html?utm_term=.7c19ef6c14a2

Saudi-funded lobbyist paid for 500 rooms at Trump’s hotel after 2016 election

At first, lobbyists for the Saudis put the veterans up in Northern Virginia. Then, in December 2016, they switched most of their business to the Trump International Hotel in downtown Washington. In all, the lobbyists spent more than $270,000 to house six groups of visiting veterans at the Trump hotel, which Trump still owns.

Basically, Saudi lobbyists may have laundered hundreds of thousands, directly into Trump's pocket shortly after the election. Using veterans as pawns.

Nope, no problems with conflict of interest. Perfectly fine for Trump to continue to run businesses that other governments can funnel money directly into his pocket through. Other governments that want the US government to ease off sanctions, or not pass certain laws, regulations, ect.
 
It ties because the gas tax is essentially a carbon tax. It was supposed to get folks to drive less. Thing is most people agree we need to do something about climate change but then balk when it costs more money or requires any sort of real effort. :( I personally wouldn't have a problem paying more for gas if the tax money went to green energy, but maybe that's because I can afford it more than others.

Fair enough. As far as paying more for gas if it saves the environment. As much as I agree we need to do something. France's gas prices are over $6 a gallon. The outskirts of France, again from what I've heard (I've never been to France), don't have much in the way of public transportation. Like the inner, wealthier parts do.

So with Macron being seen as an elitist, the tax seemed to target poorer people more so. Again though, only going off of what I've seen in reporting. But if you're paying $6+ a gallon, suddenly expected to pay more on top of that, but not given the same public transport options, I can see some people just being unable to do that.

As for what to do to improve the environment while not hurting the poorest amongst us, that's a long debate for another thread, lol. I'm not sure myself, as much as I agree we need to ween ourselves off of fossil fuels.
 
it's being reported as fact
 
Fair enough. As far as paying more for gas if it saves the environment. As much as I agree we need to do something. France's gas prices are over $6 a gallon. The outskirts of France, again from what I've heard (I've never been to France), don't have much in the way of public transportation. Like the inner, wealthier parts do.

So with Macron being seen as an elitist, the tax seemed to target poorer people more so. Again though, only going off of what I've seen in reporting. But if you're paying $6+ a gallon, suddenly expected to pay more on top of that, but not given the same public transport options, I can see some people just being unable to do that.

As for what to do to improve the environment while not hurting the poorest amongst us, that's a long debate for another thread, lol. I'm not sure myself, as much as I agree we need to ween ourselves off of fossil fuels.
See, the reports I was seeing never mentioned how much gas was or how much it went up. $6 I agree is already high. I pay about $3 but would be willing to pay 4 or 5 IF I knew for a fact that the extra money was going towards green energy and clean up. But as I said, I'm financially stable enough that I can do that. Someone who earns half as much as me or less would have a legit complaint. :(
 
Cadet Bonespurs talking **** about deferments during the Vietnam War? When he had multiple ones himself?
 
What the hell did he just call Richard Blumenthal????
 
I think his classlessness is the full mirror of his supporters attitude. Hillary was 100% right. If you still support or defend this man despite all the daily evidence of how stupid, morally vacuous, venal and corrupt he is... You're deplorable, just like he is. You don't deserve the respect you claim is your due. It's impossible to earn said respect if you give this man and his administration a pass when his unfitness on every conceivable level is so apparent. Especially in light of the claims of having voted for him because of concerns of "the swamp" or a lack of focus on "regular folk" or a supposed greater respect for law and order. Your support for this man is a slap in the face of all you supposedly claim to be for. That such isn't apparent is baffling. Truly baffling.
 
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Da Nang? What’s that mean?

Also Trump hasn’t been in combat either, so what’s his point?

He also denigrated POWs, attacked a Gold Star family, and suggested soldiers wouldn’t take pay increases if they were “real patriots”, so he’s not in a real good position to be mocking someone else’s service or lack thereof.
 
Donald Trump's favorite pollster was the least accurate in the midterms - CNNPolitics

First things first: The theme song of the week is the theme to Love, American Style composed by Charles Fox and Arnold Margolin.

Number of the week: A new Marist College poll finds President Donald Trump's approval rating at 43% among registered voters. His disapproval rating is at 49%.

That's in-line with the FiveThirtyEight average of polls among voters, which puts Trump's approval rating at 42% and his disapproval rating at 52%.

What's the point: The President continues to be unpopular in most polling. Yet, many of his backers and he insist that the average poll doesn't adequately capture his true level of support. Trump and these supporters are mistaken, however.

Just this week, the President tweeted out a result from his favorite pollster, Rasmussen Reports, that showed his approval rating stood at 50%. Rasmussen's polling does not meet CNN standards for a number of reasons including that it doesn't call cell-phones.

The fact that Rasmussen has a better approval rating for the President than other pollsters isn't new. This is why we've seen Trump mention Rasmussen many times. That leads to the media pointing out that other pollsters are far more pessimistic about his standing with voters.

But the average isn't always right. Before last month, there was no way to really know if the average was biased against Trump. It was conceivable that Rasmussen Reports was right. Maybe their likely voter screen was somehow picking up something true about the electorate that other pollsters were missing. Remember, pollsters did somewhat underestimate Trump in the 2016 election.

The midterm elections prove that at least for now Rasmussen is dead wrong and traditional pollsters are correct.

In the final three weeks before the midterm, 16 different pollsters released generic congressional ballot polls. Some of those pollsters, including Rasmussen, released multiple polls. In total, there were 32 generic ballot polls put out.

The generic ballot isn't a perfect estimate of the House popular vote because often pollsters don't mention the specific candidates running in each district and some districts don't feature candidates from both parties running. Still, these factors tend to cancel each other out nationally and are only worth a point or 2 at the very most. They don't excuse Rasmussen's midterm performance.

Rasmussen's final poll was the least accurate of any of the 32 polls. They had the Republicans ahead nationally by one point. Democrats are currently winning the national House vote by 8.6 points. That's an error of nearly 10 points.

Of course, it's possible for any pollster to have one inaccurate poll. Fortunately, for statistical purposes, Rasmussen released three generic ballot polls in the final three weeks of the 2018 campaign.

The average Rasmussen poll had Democrats ahead by 1.7 points on the generic ballot. That's an underestimation of their eventual position of nearly 7 points. This made Rasmussen's average poll more inaccurate than any other pollster.

Looking at all pollsters, the average poll hit the mark nearly perfectly. The average gold standard poll (i.e. ones that use live interviews, calls cell phones and is transparent about its practices) over the final three weeks of the campaign had Democrats ahead by 9.4 points on the generic congressional ballot. That's an error of less than a point. The average pollster overall, according to the FiveThirtyEight aggregate, had Democrats up by 8.7 points. Once all the votes are counted, that could have hit the nail on the head.

The accuracy of the generic ballot polling shouldn't be surprising given how well pollsters did in gauging Trump's own popularity. As I noted previously, the President's net approval rating in the average pre-election poll of voters was identical to what it was in pre-election polls.

Rasmussen's average net approval rating, on the other hand, was far too optimistic for the president. It was -1.5 points on Election Day, which was 7.5 points higher than the exit poll found. That is, Rasmussen's net approval rating of Trump was by about as off as Rasmussen generic ballot was.

When most pollsters get the results as wrong as Rasmussen did in 2018, they go into deep introspection. You can read the long report the American Association for Political Opinion (AAPOR) issued after the 2016 election.

Rasmussen, apparently, has done no such thing. Instead, they claim that the midterm result was relatively poor for Democrats compared to other midterms. It was actually one of the best in the House on record. Indeed, Rasmussen looks to be mostly satisfied by their polling.

Rasmussen has company in that regard. It seems that the President continues to be satisfied with their numbers as well.

The national polls during the end of the 2016 presidential campaign were pretty accurate as well, it was state polls that were wrong and thus the electoral college determination was predicted in the wrong direction. Many state polls were again off and wrong in 2018 as well.
 
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Da Nang? What’s that mean?

Also Trump hasn’t been in combat either, so what’s his point?

He also denigrated POWs, attacked a Gold Star family, and suggested soldiers wouldn’t take pay increases if they were “real patriots”, so he’s not in a real good position to be mocking someone else’s service or lack thereof.

To be clear Blumenthal does have this issue in his past.

What Did Sen. Richard Blumenthal Really Say About His Military Record and Vietnam?


It appears he misspoke but never claimed he was in country when directly asked.
 
I think his classlessness is the full mirror of his supporters attitude. Hillary was 100% right. If you still support or defend this man despite all the daily evidence of how stupid, morally vacuous, venal and corrupt he is... You're deplorable, just like he is. You don't deserve the respect you claim is your due. It's impossible to earn said respect if you give this man and his administration a pass when his unfitness on every conceivable level is so apparent. Especially in light of the claims of having voted for him because of concerns of "the swamp" or a lack of focus on "regular folk" or a supposed greater respect for law and order. Your support for this man is a slap in the face of all you supposedly claim to be for. That such isn't apparent is baffling. Truly baffling.

I agree with you mostly, but it is an easy thing to say if you don’t have conservative loved ones. My mom is a beautiful, god fearing, giving woman for example... she just suffers from this blind spot. People can be good and bad, smart and dumb. That’s why we have to practice kindness... arguing logic to make them wrong doesn’t help unfortunately. I’ve certainly tried.
 
I agree with you mostly, but it is an easy thing to say if you don’t have conservative loved ones. My mom is a beautiful, god fearing, giving woman for example... she just suffers from this blind spot. People can be good and bad, smart and dumb. That’s why we have to practice kindness... arguing logic to make them wrong doesn’t help unfortunately. I’ve certainly tried.
Agreed. I love my Grandpa, but he's a hardcore Catholic who only votes on one issue.

In addition to this, we need to remember that these people also typically only get their news from Fox News. Their perception of reality is completely different than ours, because they view that station as not only a legitimate news source, it's their ONLY news source.
 
I have relatives and friends who are Trump supporters. I can't understand how otherwise normal, intelligent people would believe a brazen liar who will only screw them over but they won't see the truth.
 
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