FF2 DVD Director and Producer commentary...

[TheVileOne]

Ah whatever. I'd be all for an INCREDIBLE HULK-ing of this franchise.

I think the fans deserve it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ah whatever. I'd be all for an INCREDIBLE HULK-ing of this franchise.

I think the fans deserve it.

I wold be all for re-starting, but as for TIH-ing, a big NO NO from me, TIH sounds terrible.

 

[YJ1]

As far as I can tell, any success Marvel has had with animation or movies has been in spite of Arad's involvement. Nothing I've ever seen or read has indicated the man is anything other than a deal-maker/suit.
And I've certainly never seen anything to suggest he has a creative bone in his body.
Unless it's to create embarrassment and misery for fans.

I give Avi credit for seeing the potential of Marvel and being integral to getting these characters to the big screen in the first place. Without him, Marvel might never have rebounded from their bankruptcy in the mid 90s. He's a fanboy but sometimes his views on the characters are just a bit warped. Still, people here give him too much credit/blame for creative decisions. He appears to get a say but doesn't have as much pull as one would think on the set, especially now that he freelance.

Having said that, what's troubling to me in the DVD commentaries occurred during Avi & the writers track. The writers mentioned that it was Avi's idea to combine powers and "Superskrull" Johnny. The idea may have been better then what they had but it sounds like everyone's hand was in the cookie jar and that they were making it up as they went along. What ever happened to intelligently scripting, storyboarding and budgeting a story? Dialogue and scene changes on the fly are a good thing but changing the whole structure and story seems wrong to me.

Also, it appears Tim Story wastes money at an alarming rate. I'd rather he focus and use the wasted budget on more action scenes. Having no real action in the first act of TWO FF movies is a crime. How much did they spend to present TWO rescue scenes that did little for general action movie fans? Saving a fire-truck and saving a giant ferris wheel (London Eye) may be a nice novelty but those scenes mean little to modern audiences. Spider-Man 3 would've dropped at the box office if the only action sequence that occurred before the final battle royale was the crane rescue scene. Story and company need to plan better in the future.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I give Avi credit for seeing the potential of Marvel and being integral to getting these characters to the big screen in the first place. Without him, Marvel might never have rebounded from their bankruptcy in the mid 90s. He's a fanboy but sometimes his views on the characters are just a bit warped. Still, people here give him too much credit/blame for creative decisions. He appears to get a say but doesn't have as much pull as one would think on the set, especially now that he freelance.

Having said that, what's troubling to me in the DVD commentaries occurred during Avi & the writers track. The writers mentioned that it was Avi's idea to combine powers and "Superskrull" Johnny. The idea may have been better then what they had but it sounds like everyone's hand was in the cookie jar and that they were making it up as they went along. What ever happened to intelligently scripting, storyboarding and budgeting a story? Dialogue and scene changes on the fly are a good thing but changing the whole structure and story seems wrong to me.

Also, it appears Tim Story wastes money at an alarming rate. I'd rather he focus and use the wasted budget on more action scenes. Having no real action in the first act of TWO FF movies is a crime. How much did they spend to present TWO rescue scenes that did little for general action movie fans? Saving a fire-truck and saving a giant ferris wheel (London Eye) may be a nice novelty but those scenes mean little to modern audiences. Spider-Man 3 would've dropped at the box office if the only action sequence that occurred before the final battle royale was the crane rescue scene. Story and company need to plan better in the future.

For once we agree YJ1, both the bridge scene and the London Eye scene were not very interesting to me after my first viewing of them. I found both to have little to no tension and neither were the type of action scene that would have people coming back for repeat viewings.

Admittedly Story isnt helped by the studio he works for, but, on some occasions he doesnt help himself either. The final fight between Johnny and Doom just summed it up for me. The fight was good while it lasted. But you have a man with all of the combined powers of the FF versus a man with the power cosmic, which can be potentially limitless, and fight lasts 2 mins? Not to mention Johnny NEVER seemed in danger at ONE point during the fight?

Come on Story, you just have to do better i'm afraid.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Frightful Four?