FF2 DVD Director and Producer commentary...

[Iron Maiden]

In reference to Dr. Doom...

It was difficult to film around Julian's schedule (with him working on Nip/Tuck), as they had plans for him to have a bigger role in this film. They even thought of having him keep on the mask and cape (so another actor could stand in Julian's place), however, Tim and company thought that it would not 'look' right (not fitting in to the modern feel of the movie).

Tim had other ideas about making Dr. Doom look human...
He initially thought of Dr. Doom developing some sort of synthetic skin that he would wear. And even earlier on, he was going to have Doom be a Doombot (with Dr. Doom pulling all the strings back in Latveria). The reveal of the Doombot would have come out of a fight that the F4 would have had with Doom and Thing would have put his hand through his face...

Hmmm... I actually like these last two ideas and it's too bad Tim Story just doesn't have the tools (be it clout or directing skills) to make these kinds of things happen. The frustrating thing is there are a lot of good things about FF:ROTS but just not enough to kick it to the next level where it could have been. I still think it ranks a solid "B" whereas it could have been an "A".

Julian could have made a good Doctor Doom but there were too many negatives to overcome. The first movie saddled him with the unpopular Trump/Doom concept and bursts of silly, uncharacteristic dialogue. The rushed scheduling of the second movie also worked against him. I thought there was a definite improvement from Trump/Doom but he lacked a viable agenda for his arc in ROTSS. While it worked in the comic to have Doom flying around, drunk with power and wreaking havoc, it didn't make sense in the movie with the imminent destruction of the planet. They could have had him challenge Galactus and then get slapped down. Oh well, I am looking forward to Nip/Tuck season 5 anyway.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

The real question is, will you believe them in the future?

No.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Since Eragon and especially X3 i will never believe them, I wont even see their CB movies at the cinema anymore.

 

[Porygon]

But you never know.....I think some of us are willing to give it a chance. I think its a chance that will never happen, but I hope for the chance nonetheless....

They had a chance with FF1, and delivered a mediocre comic book movie. They had another chance with FF2, and showed little improvement, and lied to the fans during production.

No more chances.

 

[highguard]

^^ It all sucks, man I still can't get Tim Story man, I feel bad for him one moment, and mad at him the next, and Avi, I just lost some respect for him.

 

[highguard]

No.

The lightning has struck!!!!!!

Is this a sign that good news is coming.

Well good to see you, Albafan has had to deal with our negativity for some time here on the FF hype.

Perhaps you can help pull us out of the spiral of Doom and Gloom.

 

[Kelly]

The lightning has struck!!!!!!

Is this a sign that good news is coming.

Well good to see you, Albafan has had to deal with our negativity for some time here on the FF hype.

Perhaps you can help pull us out of the spiral of Doom and Gloom.

Doubtful....

 

[highguard]

^^ Too bad.

 

[Mercurius]

No.

Yeah, that's the voice of the thunder!

 

[Retroman]

Very interesting stuff thanks for sharing that phoenixflight.

Nick Fury not General Hager...

Tim wanted Nick Fury rather than General Hager working with FF to solve the mystery of the Silver Surfer. They wouldn't give it to him because they plan on doing a "S.H.I.E.L.D" movie?!?

Fury is appearing in Iron Man so that sounds like bull.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^^ It all sucks, man I still can't get Tim Story man, I feel bad for him one moment, and mad at him the next, and Avi, I just lost some respect for him.

I lost ANY respect i had for him when he said the X3 Script had changed fundamentaly to the poorly reviewed one when in actuality it had changed VERY little.

 

[Blader5489]

Fury is appearing in Iron Man so that sounds like bull.

A SHIELD movie might have been in the works a year ago (when FF2 started development). And I'm pretty sure a Nick Fury film was on the slate for Marvel Studios.

 

[Malus]

Avi, I just lost some respect for him.

As far as I can tell, any success Marvel has had with animation or movies has been in spite of Arad's involvement. Nothing I've ever seen or read has indicated the man is anything other than a deal-maker/suit.
And I've certainly never seen anything to suggest he has a creative bone in his body.
Unless it's to create embarrassment and misery for fans.

 

[highguard]

^^ Harsh, Malus, but the deal making is probably his strong suit.

 

[Darth Rockwell]

Very interesting stuff thanks for sharing that phoenixflight.

Fury is appearing in Iron Man so that sounds like bull.

But it is a marvel movie. They keep the rights. If Fury had been in ROTSS he would belong to Fox.

 

[GoldGoblin]

It sucks Galactus wasn't in this movie,but anyway so the commentary said the villain for part 3 would probably be the Puppet Master.So would that mean we would see the FF fight each other,or that one or two of them become the villains in the movie.

I guess there saving "The Frightful Four" for part 4...

 

[Darth Rockwell]

We seriously need a movie where the anty is upped. I don't see the puppet master being an up from Silver Surfer.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

We seriously need a movie where the anty is upped. I don't see the puppet master being an up from Silver Surfer.

Me neither, i would see it as a huge step down in fact.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Maybe they should of waited a couple of movies before they put Silver Surfer in.

 

[Kelly]

Puppetmaster as the ONLY villain, yeah not a good thing, but as one of a couple of villains I see no problem. I don't think he has ever been thought of as the ONLY villain for the movies.

 

[bubbadoom]

I think Puppet Master would be a big let down for any FF film, and would steal the thunder from a possible Frightful Four appearance in a seque!

THE definitive evil FF story is the brain washing of Ben Grimm, and if you turn the FF on themselves in a PM story, what's the point of doing it again with an evil FF story?

 

[Kelly]

I think Puppet Master would be a big let down for any FF film, and would steal the thunder from a possible Frightful Four appearance in a seque!

THE definitive evil FF story is the brain washing of Ben Grimm, and if you turn the FF on themselves in a PM story, what's the point of doing it again with an evil FF story?

How would that hurt them bringing in the Frightful Four?

The only problem with bringing the original Frightful Four in would be Sandman, but you could use Hydroman or any number of others...

 

[highguard]

^^ agreed, and also it is about time Marvel started exercising some muscle. They need to license out there characters per movie, what is this exclusivity nonsense, man Avi dropped the ball here.

 

[bubbadoom]

Doing the PM would hurt the evil FF because the BEST Frightful Four story line was the Wizard turning Ben bad, i.e. turning the FF against each other, which is what the PM would be doing!

 

[Kelly]

Doing the PM would hurt the evil FF because the BEST Frightful Four story line was the Wizard turning Ben bad, i.e. turning the FF against each other, which is what the PM would be doing!

Not necessarily, theres some good stuff in the Marvel Knights series with the PM, and there are plenty of Frightful Four storylines to choose from as well as characters....not the the Frightful Four is even a storyline they should do, if they are going to pull more of an ensemble then I'd rather them go with the Inhumans...I don't see them doing either since having that many is only a budget buster, and Fox won't do that....they'll go with a couple of villains at the most IMO.