Revenge of the Fallen First reactions from Japan premiere coming in...

[TwoFace12]

www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=30967
See for yourself. There should be more later.

 

[Mr. Earle]

www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=30967
See for yourself. There should be more later.

Oh god, the movie looks like UTTER FAIL.

Spoiler

Soundwave doesnt transform.
Reused animations.
"So even after Devastator forms, there are still constructicons running around. And some Protoforms."
Blackout out of ****ing nowhere.
Twins

Damn it Bay, is common sense so hard to find in your crew?

 

[gstommylee]

And why are is it a fail based on one's person opinion that seems to only list what he thinks are the bad things of the movie. Just cause after devastator forums doesn't mean there can't be more constructions. This isn't g1.

 

[The-HYPE]

And why are is it a fail based on one's person opinion that seems to only list what he thinks are the bad things of the movie. Just cause after devastator forums doesn't mean there can't be more constructions. This isn't g1.

I read somewhere that Devastator actually grows bigger with more constructicons combining so that may explain why there are other constructicons running around.

 

[Spade]

Spoiler

Soundwave doesnt transform.

Soundwave only needs to collect info and send out minions, so...

Spoiler

Reused animations.

The cartoon did it all the time. Your next complaint is basically "why aren't they making it like the G1 I grew up with" but when they do something the cartoon was equally infamous for it's a problem? Plus, who cares? They're robots, not organic like the Hulk. There should be some consistency in their transformations.

Spoiler

"So even after Devastator forms, there are still constructicons running around. And some Protoforms."

Why's that a big deal? No offense, 'cause it seems like you're a G1 fan, but it makes just as much sense as the cartoon. A specific set of Decepticons with the hidden power to transform vs. a whole subset of Cybertronians that can form a greater robot given enough parts at will....gee, which one sounds better for a film universe where finality is usually in the form of death yet where fans like their favorites? This sounds like a good compromise, if you ask me.

As for the protoforms...well, it's a desert. Not every Decepticon is going to get a vehicle mode.

 

[chaseter]

I am only mad that the Imax is longer than the theatrical because the closest Imax theatre is 400 miles away

 

[Avengers-Report]

It is hard to tell from the one review anything at all. He claims it was better than the first but only criticizes the amount of plot holes and inconsistency that is maintained throughout the film. Then he doesn't answer questions.

Wait for a review from a neutral critic. Transformers (2007) had its flaws but they were looked past because of the amazing concept of having transformers in the big screen.

That will not be here this time, and it is frustrating to hear some things about this movie because you don't have to be an amazing writer to write a consistent story that appeals to fans. Soundwave not transforming? One of the most popular characters that could easily be incorporated into a movie that is dominated by childish transformers such as Wheelie and the Twins. Why not have Barricade in this one, it wouldn't be that hard. And what really bothers me is the combination of Jet Fire and Optimus. Why not just have them power link like they are supposed to? Changing it may add some dramatic affect, but it just is not the same.

Bay tries to put his own spin on things. To be honest, the script and story for the movie is terrible, especially the direction of the films. They only succeed because the name. Transformers are awesome, they will always sell and give a reason for people to watch. However, these movies will never have the same respect movies like "The Dark Knight" had simply because the development of plot and story is terrible.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The cartoon did it all the time. Your next complaint is basically "why aren't they making it like the G1 I grew up with" but when they do something the cartoon was equally infamous for it's a problem? Plus, who cares? They're robots, not organic like the Hulk. There should be some consistency in their transformations.

Seriously now, reused animations? And i should be happy that this flaw of an 80ies animated show is kept in a big badget hollywood movie in 2009?
Who i said i wanted G1, and if i did, i certainly wouldnt be asking for the bad aspects of it!

Why's that a big deal? No offense, 'cause it seems like you're a G1 fan, but it makes just as much sense as the cartoon. A specific set of Decepticons with the hidden power to transform vs. a whole subset of Cybertronians that can form a greater robot given enough parts at will....gee, which one sounds better for a film universe where finality is usually in the form of death yet where fans like their favorites? This sounds like a good compromise, if you ask me.

Yes i am a fan of G1, but thats not what this is about. If some of the constructicons form devastator while the rest of them arent needed, then fine. If its a flaw or a plot hole, then i obviously wont like it. I honestly dont care if some of them are left out. I suppose they have to leave some behind since apart from Megs, Starscream and Ravage, there arent any other big decepticons left in the end. The field would be empty without them.

As for the protoforms...well, it's a desert. Not every Decepticon is going to get a vehicle mode.

I think the Fallen creates them. So that poses the question, if he is so goddamn omnipotent, how can OP with some jetfire parts blast him?

I am only mad that the Imax is longer than the theatrical because the closest Imax theatre is 400 miles away

Same here!!! Damn!

 

[Mr. Earle]

It is hard to tell from the one review anything at all. He claims it was better than the first but only criticizes the amount of plot holes and inconsistency that is maintained throughout the film. Then he doesn't answer questions.

Wait for a review from a neutral critic. Transformers (2007) had its flaws but they were looked past because of the amazing concept of having transformers in the big screen.

That will not be here this time, and it is frustrating to hear some things about this movie because you don't have to be an amazing writer to write a consistent story that appeals to fans. Soundwave not transforming? One of the most popular characters that could easily be incorporated into a movie that is dominated by childish transformers such as Wheelie and the Twins. Why not have Barricade in this one, it wouldn't be that hard. And what really bothers me is the combination of Jet Fire and Optimus. Why not just have them power link like they are supposed to? Changing it may add some dramatic affect, but it just is not the same.

Bay tries to put his own spin on things. To be honest, the script and story for the movie is terrible, especially the direction of the films. They only succeed because the name. Transformers are awesome, they will always sell and give a reason for people to watch. However, these movies will never have the same respect movies like "The Dark Knight" had simply because the development of plot and story is terrible.

I agree. I guess Bay just doesnt get it. The movie can have humor without resorting to the black-fat-guy analogue of the Twins. Seriously, they will destroy this movie just like that guy did to the first one.
"Naw man, its Wolverine. Snikt snikt". Look guys, he ate all the doughnuts...
Fine....i admit i laughed at the doughnuts part.
As for Barricade, i honesty dont know what Bay was thinking. That review claims that Blackout is inexplicably alive again (only Megs is shown to be revived) when they could have used Barricade. I was gonna say they didnt use him because they needed fresh bots for new toys, but then they used Blackout. Unless...

Spoiler

Sideways is Barricade. He sure looks like him in robot form.

 

[lars573]

Grindor is a different colour (brown vs. blue) than Blackout. Even if they don't directly say "I iz Grindor!"

 

[LightningFlash]

Seriously now, reused animations? And i should be happy that this flaw of an 80ies animated show is kept in a big badget hollywood movie in 2009?

Ehh, if they use re-used animation, I would wanna see it first. This could just be made-up *****ing if you ask me.

Yes i am a fan of G1, but thats not what this is about. If some of the constructicons form devastator while the rest of them arent needed, then fine. If its a flaw or a plot hole, then i obviously wont like it. I honestly dont care if some of them are left out. I suppose they have to leave some behind since apart from Megs, Starscream and Ravage, there arent any other big decepticons left in the end. The field would be empty without them.

And with more Constructicons out there, then we can see obviously another Devastator in the third film, if there is a Devastator that does indeed die in Egypt. It's not biggie to me, imo. I think that's actually kinda cool that there will be more than seven Constructicons in this TF universe.

I think the Fallen creates them. So that poses the question, if he is so goddamn omnipotent, how can OP with some jetfire parts blast him?

The Fallen doesn't create the protoforms. The Nemesis most likely sends them down and Soundwave just doesn't give them scans. And they're mostly there just to search for Sam in the movie. So it makes sense, they're there not to hide themselves, just to go for a search.

 

[Compi716]

Hmn...for some reason (I don't know what), this review just screams fake to me.

Perhaps it's the utter lack of details of something different than the novel.

 

[bestever23]

no it's real, Transformers 2 is a Failure

 

[Timstuff]

Bay tries to put his own spin on things. To be honest, the script and story for the movie is terrible, especially the direction of the films. They only succeed because the name. Transformers are awesome, they will always sell and give a reason for people to watch. However, these movies will never have the same respect movies like "The Dark Knight" had simply because the development of plot and story is terrible.

The Dark Knight is based on one of the oldest and most recognizeable characters in comic book history. Transformers is based on a toy-line that had successful cartoon and comic spinoffs, and yet you complain that it wasn't as good as The Dark Knight. Am I the only one here who does not see the flaws in this thinking?

The Dark Knight was an exceptionally good film, an it DID put it's own spin on the characters and universe it was set in. With Michael Bay, he sees Transformers for what it is-- a fun throwback to the 1980's, which is why he intentionally gave the movies a very 80's flavor. If you compare the way Transformers plays out to a movie like Ferris Beuller's Day Off or Back to the Future, it becomes pretty obvious that it's intended to feel like an 80's movie. And personally, I think that the way Bay went about making Transformers into a movie is MUCH better than if you got a bunch of fanboys together to try and give G1 "the Dark Knight treatment." It would have been an unwatchable 3 hour long fanwank.

 

[Golgo-13]

http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=30967

Mega spoilers!

Spoiler

Ok guys just got back! Don't have much time to post, don't wanna miss the train but here's some quick stuff.

Movie was incredible, I liked it much more than the first! More action, more robots, less humans! Though there are some lame sexual inuendos like Wheelie humping Megan's leg.

Anyway, Bay and the actors came right into the theater and introduced the film. I was tempted to scream "Don Murphy Stooges #1" but I didn't want to get led out by security!

The VA thing in the credits was way too fast, sorry guys. The Fallen was Todd something. Welker does voice Soundwave, and Devastator too. Devastator has one line, screaming his name. Soundwave only has a few lines but he speaks English. But he never comes down to earth and never turns into a robot. Bleah. Very little screen time, but at least he doesn't get exploded which leaves things open for the third movie.

Mostly English, not much cybertronian.

The Twins were lame. As in the "bust a cap in you ass" stereotype. I could've done without them.

Jetfire was comic relief. He has a British accent and reminded me of a Monty Python character. He doesn't "combine" with Prime in the normal sense, he gets fatally wounded and rips out his spark, killing himself so Prime can use his parts.

Wheelie is nothing like G1 Wheelie. He kinda reminds me of Rattrap.

Lots of kitchen bots. One was a Samurai too. Bludgeon?

Only named Constructicon is Rampage, and he is red.

Megatron is revived by some Constructicons and "The Doctor."

Sideways never transforms, he is cut in half by Sideswipe in the first battle scene in car mode. Sideswipe is cool. Ravage is cool too.

There was a bot that looked like Blackout but he was not named. Blackout himself was never revived so I can't say it was him. He did not speak and was not named in the credits. In fact in the last battle scene there were tons of, well, "repaints," basically reused animation. So even after Devastator forms, there are still constructicons running around. And some Protoforms. I even saw a truck that looked like Bonecrusher...though I never saw him in robot mode. Scorponok is in the final battle too and is killed by Jetfire in about 2 seconds.

There are three motorcycles, but they appear to be named collectively Arcee. Not much screen time/lines for them anyway.

The term "Matrix of Leadership" is used, it's a key that operates a device to draw energy from the sun.

Ok that's enough for now, not gonna check this board again till tomorrow! I suppose this thread will be about 100 pages long by then so I'm sorry if I can't anwser everything.

Thanks again Nightbird for the tix!

 

[gstommylee]

no it's real, Transformers 2 is a Failure

oh good grief so you assume based on 1 person opinion that may not necessary be totally accurate that TF2 is a failure.


I think the ultimate review of a movie is rather or not you like it not based on what someone else says. Interesting the person that gave the review didn't say what was actually good about the movie only whats bad about the movie based on his opinion of what he saw.

 

[fullmoonmaster]

i dont post here much but i have to say..when somebody starts out saying the movie is incredible and thinks its way better then the first but u decide its a epic failure..i dont get it...lol....all movies have flaws....i would have prefered seeing soundwave in robot form and fighting but as long the rest if the movie is good..i can live with it..besides to the general audience it wont matter anyway...

 

[d.k.]

I don;t wanna read this thread because of spoilers, but are the reactions so far good?

 

[Avengers-Report]

There are no reactions yet. Just one guy who claims to have seen the movie but leaves tons of things out and doesn't explain/make sense half the time.

If he was answering questions then I wouldn't doubt him

 

[fullmoonmaster]

well i dont know if it is fake or not..i know that everytime i go to try to look at the thread it says its no longer there...also since micheal bay has said that he will be giving out false info the info in the review could be planted on purpose to throw people off..then again it might be completly true..who knows...lol

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Sorry guys,Don Murphy deleted the thread. The poster said Jolt doesn't do much and that the feud with Megs and Screamer would make fans smile,and he also said Arcee doesn't die and that the Fallen is cool. Soundwave's voice is not synthesized.

What he is saying is true,the poster,a moderator from Bay's site hooked him up with a ticket,Sora. Nelson from shootfromtheedit seems to be the reason that Don Murphy deleted the poster's thread.

 

[ClintF]

Sorry guys,Don Murphy deleted the thread. The poster said Jolt doesn't do much and that the feud with Megs and Screamer would make fans smile,and he also said Arcee doesn't die and that the Fallen is cool. Soundwave's voice is not synthesized.

What he is saying is true,the poster,a moderator from Bay's site hooked him up with a ticket,Sora. Nelson from shootfromtheedit seems to be the reason that Don Murphy deleted the poster's thread.

WTF? I thought they would at least get that right. Well I wonder since Frank is voicing him if he will then sound like cartoon Megatron then.

 

[lars573]

WTF? I thought they would at least get that right. Well I wonder since Frank is voicing him if he will then sound like cartoon Megatron then.

Without that voice effect. Which was done with something called a vocoder. Soundwave will sound like a monotone Dr. Claw.

 

[Serious_?]

I'm sick of reading people's stupid comments like, ''wow he is right, i hate transformers now''.

Wait until you have watched the movie and form your own opinion.

Besides, that has to be one of the worst reviews ever. No real information and stupid comments. ''coz Im da cOOL, I saw ROTF ROFL''.

Grow up.

 

[Nirvana]

i dont post here much but i have to say..when somebody starts out saying the movie is incredible and thinks its way better then the first but u decide its a epic failure..i dont get it...lol....all movies have flaws....i would have prefered seeing soundwave in robot form and fighting but as long the rest if the movie is good..i can live with it..besides to the general audience it wont matter anyway...

What I don't get is people who expect huge character development or much of a plot in a movie about fighting robots.