Transformers FIRST TOY IMAGES - Optimus Prime and Starscream "Protoforms"...

[Theweepeople]

Your statements on all presidents (including ones I hate... like Ronald Reagan) are insanely simplistic.)

What did you expect me to do? Write a whole essay on why I dislike all of the presidents mentioned? I probably could but, this is the wrong place to do it.

I shall focus on the last "OK" president (i.e. not completely inept), Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton:

There is no okay US president. All of them believe in serving themselves and holding on to power over serving the American public. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive.

This guy ignored reports from CIA that the first World Trade Center bombing was caused by someone named Osama Bin Laden.

Maybe it's because Osama had nothing to do with the first World Trade Center Bombing... which was planned, coordinated by Sheik Omar Rahman and executed by Ramzi Yousef. To blame Osama Bin Laden is exactly like blaming the United States for Iraq invading Kuwait... and even putting Sadam Husain in power.

Well the Sheik you mentioned had ties to Al-Queda(A terrorist group started by Osama Bin Laden). For you to suggest that there is no proof that Osama Bin Laden had no influence on the 93 World Trade Center bombing is silly.

That's totally false.
Aside from the fact that the Black Hawk Down fiasco was not "terrorism" per se... that entire paragraph is untrue.

No. You are completely wrong. Osama Bin laden confirmed his involvement in this catastrophy years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu

Because the truth of the matter is that he didn't. George Bush's Orwellian "Enemy Combatants" philosophy (which by the way is totally U.S. Unconstitutional, totally anti-geneva convention, totally against every principle any civilized society has adhered to since the MAGNA CARTA) was NOT in effect at that point in time.

Sheez. There are other ways Clinton could have handled the Sudanese offer. He could have consulted with the UN and asked them what should be done with a brutal terrorist who was the founder of a organization responsible for the worldwide deaths of thousands of people. He could have persuaded the Saudis(who had exciled Osama) to put Osama on trial for his attempts to bring down the Saudi Arabian government.

And even if Clinton wanted to bring Osama to justice (which he did... badly!)

Are you referring to his attempts to bring Osama to justice by randomly firing a couple of missiles into Afganistan during the late 90s, thereby hoping to hit Osama with one of them?

he DID NOT have the SUPPORT of Congress... which was REPUBLICAN and totally, completely obsessed with doing the OPPOSITE of everything Clinton.

The same republican congress that uncomfortably agreed with Clinton's desire to go to war against Serbia to save the Albanians.

Clinton hoped (yes, naively) that these world players themselves (like Saudi Arabia) would be able to bring the guy to justice. Yes, I guess in hindsight that was stupid. But it sure beats turning EVERY PRINCIPLE that we stand for as a nation upside down (IMHO).

Unfortunately, sometimes rules have to be bent or broken for the survival of mankind. I didn't believe that Al-Quada and other islamic fascist terrorists were a threat to the US in the 90s. But, after witnessing what happened during 9-11 and analyzing all the events that led up to it I am convinced that these fascists are hell bent on destroying anyone who disagrees with their beliefs. They will not stop making life miserable for non muslims until all of us are either killed or converted to Islam.

 

[Niño Manga]

I'm sure that your political matters are surely of VAST importance, but may you PLEASE stop posting your ideas? Many may find either sides offensive, and we're only trying to have fun about Transformers.
Be glad I have no control on banning, 'cause you guys should be VERY banned...

 

[1987olds442]

Rocklords = cool

Protoforms = dungliness

I wish I still had some of those.

Cool Rocklord picture

 

[Avangarde]

Rocklords, Transform and "roll" out








.............Sorry

 

[bunk]

I only had one rocklord. I think its the one hidden behind the gold one.

 

[bluejake01]

I'm sure that your political matters are surely of VAST importance, but may you PLEASE stop posting your ideas? Many may find either sides offensive, and we're only trying to have fun about Transformers.
Be glad I have no control on banning, 'cause you guys should be VERY banned...

Cry me a river.

 

[GreenKToo]

no,the rest of the country doesnt hate new york,its just that the snobby attitude there is sometimes a put off to other americans.If it had of been L.A., Chicago,or Dallas attacked instead,the outpouring of patriotism would have been the same...

We didn't attack ourselves. But we probably deserved it for electing such an inept moron... knowing he'd bring in more inept morons to run the country. They were busy trying to build an intercontinental "missile defense shield" against Russia when those two planes slipped under NORAD and hit.

P.S.
Pretty much no one in New York City voted for Bush (either time). And it sucks that the rest of this often moronic country used the attack on this city to justify their "never again" jingoistic shows of patriotism... when most of the time (before 911) they hated us.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Be glad I have no control on banning, 'cause you guys should be VERY banned...

The guy with the funny moustache started like that. First, he banned the jews. Then... well, you know the story.

 

[Batmun]

I guess these toys are suppose to be their Cybertronian forms. It looks cool I guess, but they look more like Guyvers.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

How their Cybertronian forms look like in canon? Any pics?

 

[cryptic name]

I'm sure that your political matters are surely of VAST importance, but may you PLEASE stop posting your ideas? Many may find either sides offensive, and we're only trying to have fun about Transformers.
Be glad I have no control on banning, 'cause you guys should be VERY banned...

while they may be off topic. they're not really doing anything bannable. also, if anyone is actually OFFENDED by thitype of conversation, they must a have a seriously hard time functioning in society.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

How their Cybertronian forms look like in canon? Any pics?

 

[Spark]

It depends on the continuity but Dreamwave's WAR WITHIN obviously contains the most examples of pre-earth modes. It's just a matter of finding scans or something.

Although the covers contain clues...
http://cyberstore.decepticon-matrix.com/comicswarwithin.html

 

[The Caped Knight]

I like the desgin for PRIME more than Starscream .

 

[Overman27pj]

I had every one of those rocklords.

Anything that transforms is cool.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Could'd help but notice that those protoforms look EXACTLY like a piece of turd that gave me a hell of a workout coming out some hours ago.

 

[Anti-Moderator]

And the movie will stink as bad.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

And the movie will stink as bad.

Thanks, Criswell.

 

[1987olds442]

New Protoform Prototypes on ebay...


















J/K t:

 

[nosebleed.]

Those are better that the protoforms...so sad.


I'm so looking forward to a Masterpiece-like movie version of Optimus Prime.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

New Protoform Prototypes on ebay...


















J/K t:

Thats a sick joke *starts crying*

 

[Bloodsword]

Sadly, the designs for the Protoform Starscream is decent, in the fact it has no chicken legs or dumb gun hands. Why would hinder himself once he gets to earth. Heres hoping what we have seen changes and Starscream is not a tool.

 

[Psionic Force]

These were posted over at www.tformers.com . New prototype images.

Starscream:

Optimus Prime:

 

[DOG LIPS]

Well, at least proto-Starscream looks sorta kinda like .. Starscream.


Is that thing even in the movie more than a minute?

 

[Avangarde]

Well, at least proto-Starscream looks sorta kinda like .. Starscream.

Not really