Fant4stic "Flame On!" The Human Torch Thread

[SuperT]

Oooh. but now imagine, that's why T'Challa is so special. Because his mother and father hid his true lineage from the public of Wakanda. And now you've got a white kid who no one realizes is white, leading an African nation no differently than a black kid wouldve because they were raised the same and both would have a love for their culture and pride in their parentage.

Uhmm, how in the world would they not know he was white?! They specifically refused white colonialism so they know what white people look like. lol

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Explain to me why Blade HAS to be a Black character (other than the fact that he was originally created that way).

What about Blade character is inherently Black? Is his motivation to kill vamps driven by his Blackness? Does he only hunt White vamps? Does he run around yelling, "I'm Black Blade b*tch and I'm about to put my Black a$$ foot in your vampire a$$!!"

Help me understand.

reverse-.... something or other?

I believe its just stereotyping. It all depends on who gets upset over what right? I mean. If tomorrow they did announce Bradley Cooper as Blade, there would be those who get upset, and those who do not right?

We will have to wait and see. Because when that happens (a black character from the comics has a white person cast for the part) and assuming the casting director didn't do it cuz "HE HATES " then we have truly made some progress right?

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Uhmm, how in the world would they not know he was white?! They specifically refused white colonialism so they know what white people look like. lol

He wears a mask bro.

 

[Spider - Man]

To put it simply, because White comic book characters outnumber Black comic book characters by a vast and almost unbelievable amount and as such, many of the few black comic book characters that exist are defined in large by being a black character. There's nothing racist about it. Its the way it is.

You are basically saying that in order to make things 'right' they need to turn more white characters black? I guess that's so much easier and requires less creativity than actually, you know, creating some more black characters. w/e.

The only thing black about Jon Stewart is his skin. That doesn't 'define' him. The only thing OTHER than his skin that identified Cage as black was the way he talked (I only read him in the 70s) and that was blasted by black people as stereotyping. So what else 'defines' him as black? HOw would a white actor playing Cage or Stewart change the definition of their character. Like I said, it is a double standard. It is 'racist' for a white person to be upset if the race of a white character is changed but it is acceptable for a black person to defend the right to keep a black character black.

You guys sure seem comfortable throwing around the race card. I guess the more you do something the easier it becomes...

 

[M-2]

I think Jordan would be awesome as Johnny, but seriously this is just crazy. It's not even confirmed and already fans are losing their minds. Dude could seriously be memorable as the character, but because his skin color is wrong he will be hated on from the get go.

That's just ridiculous, worst things have happened (Nic Cage as GhostRider). Personally I would want to see a white guy as Johnny too, but Michael B Jordan is an incredible actor, and I'd be excitied to see him in the role.

But to say something like, Fox is ruining FF just coz a black guy is cast is simply ridiculous and borderline racist.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think Jordan would be awesome as Johnny, but seriously this is just crazy. It's not even confirmed and already fans are losing their minds. Dude could seriously be memorable as the character, but because his skin color is wrong he will be hated on from the get go.

That's just ridiculous, worst things have happened (Nic Cage as GhostRider). Personally I would white guy as Johnny too, but Michael B Jordan is an incredible actor, and I'd be excitied to see him in the role.

But to say something like, Fox is ruining FF just coz a black guy is cast is simply ridiculous and borderline racist.

Stop dude. Have you been reading the last few pages of this thread? Yeah there are some racist fans. But very few people have a problem with the casting "BECAUSE of his skin color." And for you to say that is just perpetuating this conflict on this thread.

We are having a discussion about how certain adapted characters should appear on screen. It has very little to do with racism and as an above poster said, that "race card" is overused and abused.

EDIT: and I dont mean to single you out. I'm actually getting upset at most of the people on this thread who are just calling people out for being "racists" its SO silly.

 

[chamber-music]

Damn this thread went cray fast lol

People are getting over mad over whats just a rumor at this point.

Luke Cage was racial abused by a guard in the comics who went onto sabotage the experiment that gave him his powers.

Sunspot is half black and Blink isn't asian in the comics but no one is exactly bothered by their race change in X-Men: Days Of Future Past probably because they are less high profile characters.

 

[Spider - Man]

I think Jordan would be awesome as Johnny, but seriously this is just crazy. It's not even confirmed and already fans are losing their minds. Dude could seriously be memorable as the character, but because his skin color is wrong he will be hated on from the get go.

That's just ridiculous, worst things have happened (Nic Cage as GhostRider). Personally I would want to see a white guy as Johnny too, but Michael B Jordan is an incredible actor, and I'd be excitied to see him in the role.

But to say something like, Fox is ruining FF just coz a black guy is cast is simply ridiculous and borderline racist.

Personally I could care less who they get to play any of the FF. It is a fox film and it will probably suck.

My issue is that people don't seem to have the right (if they're white) to be upset about having one of their favorite characters race changed without being called a bigot or a racist by people who are most likely racists themselves.

I hadn't been on here for a while. Now I remember why.

 

[tdeverea]

Basically, cutting to the point, as uncomfortable and awkward as this statement may be, white is the main default in western media. Taking characters who are some of the few mainstream people of colour, like Black Panther and Luke Cage and making them white is not the same thing as taking the Hal Jordan and making him black, of mixed ethnicities, whatever. Yes, it is changing an iconic character’s look, but since Hal, is part of the default, it is less of an overall impact on representation and it’s not “taking away”.

Yes. All of this. It's like the "Superman could never be Black in real life" theory I came up with a few years ago.

Superman can be a White Clark Kent and nobody ever realizes he's actually Supes because he looks like an average white guy walking around in corporate America. He puts on a bright blue and red suit with big red "S" on it and red cape, fights aliens, punches missiles, saves the world, puts on suit and glasses, goes have a coffee at Starbucks, the end...

Now imagine a muscular, 6' 3", 225lbs Black guy with the same outfit, flying around catching planes, saving babies and *****, deflecting bullets off of his body... White people would ***** a frigging BRICK!!!! AND he's from another planet?! He couldn't hide behind a suit and glasses! But a White guy could. They're the "standard" of American society.

That's why Hancock made so much sense. He couldn't blend in, didn't know his history, so he was listless, dangerous, and a drunkard.

This is an awesome thread, by the way.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Personally I could care less who they get to play any of the FF. It is a fox film and it will probably suck.

My issue is that people don't seem to have the right (if they're white) to be upset about having one of their favorite characters race changed without being called a bigot or a racist by people who are most likely racists themselves.

I hadn't been on here for a while. Now I remember why.

Aw... lol. Don't say that. Some of us aren't absolutely insane.

 

[chamber-music]

I don't think there is anything wrong with having a preference for seeing a character protrayed whatever ethnicity, nationality, ect they were in the comics.

I think the problem is some folks get a little over worked up and start posting stuff that can be construed as slightly racist even if that wasn't their intention.

 

[tdeverea]

reverse-.... something or other?

I believe its just stereotyping. It all depends on who gets upset over what right? I mean. If tomorrow they did announce Bradley Cooper as Blade, there would be those who get upset, and those who do not right?

We will have to wait and see. Because when that happens (a black character from the comics has a white person cast for the part) and assuming the casting director didn't do it cuz "HE HATES " then we have truly made some progress right?

Yes we would've made progress, but it won't happen any time soon. Hollywood can't change the race of fictional characters at a great enough rate or quantity to make up for all the crappy stuff that America has done to minorities. #Truth

 

[Obsidian Idea]

No. The F4 is an all-american "white" family and before anybody gets started...I am Black American.

Johnny Storm has no business being anything but an all-american white playboy.

I don't mind changing the characters race WHEN they're secondary and third tier characters OR they have a popular alternate universe version i.e. Nick Fury. I do not believe in changing well-established characters in ANY comic universe.

Storm should always be of African/Black descent...there are other actresses of other ethnicities that would blow the character out of the park...but Storm is of African descent....that's part of her flavor as far as I'm concerned; Her race is part of her aesthetic, culture and roots.

Now characters like Spiderman are open to being portrayed as a Black/Latin in the future due to the creation of Miles Morales....

If they want a successful reboot of what could be an awesome franchise...just stick to the source material please.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Remember when I told you guys about this weeks ago? Maybe you should pay more attention to the other casting "suggestions" I made for Sue and Reed...

Miles Teller as Reed and Elizabeth Olsen as Sue? Hmm...

 

[SuperT]

No. The F4 is an all-american "white" family and before anybody gets started...I am Black American.

This sentence is very problematic. White =/= All American

I'm African-American and I consider my family "All American" whatever that even means honestly. "All American" is not a defining trait because there is no such thing as a typical "Al American" family.

 

[tdeverea]

I don't think there is any thing wrong with having a preference for seeing a character protrayed whatever ethnicity, nationality, ect they were in the comics.

I think the problem is some folks get a little over worked up and start posting stuff that can be construed as slightly racist even if that wasn't their intention.

Funny you say that. My 39 year-old brother said that Johnny Storm as a Black guy would be wack (after I suggested the adoption route). LOL. Did I mention I was Black?

 

[chamber-music]

before anybody gets started...I am Black American.

Your not the only black poster who isn't sold on the casting in this thread.

This isn't an every black person likes this casting and every non-black person who doesn't like it is racist issue.

Its all down to personal preference

 

[Dark Raven]

Uhmm, how in the world would they not know he was white?! They specifically refused white colonialism so they know what white people look like. lol

They can change the Wakandan reasoning for being isolated. It wouldn't be to do with colonialism but simply shutting themselves off from the outside world entirely (including people of every race and colour) either to avoid corruption or (in a similar way to Star Trek), because they are so highly advanced they don't want to break some kind of "prime directive" by interacting with a society much less developed.

And if the Wakandans were not just highly advanced but enlightened (or, on the other hand they don't know the difference between black and white because they haven't been exposed to any racism) then they wouldn't acknowledge any difference with someone who isn't exactly the same shade of skin as them. It would just be seen as a variance in the same way that one person looks different from another.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

They can change the Wakandan reasoning for being isolated. It wouldn't be to do with colonialism but simply shutting themselves off from the outside world entirely (including people of every race and colour) either to avoid corruption or (in a similar way to Star Trek, because they are so highly advanced they don't want to break some kind of "prime directive" by interacting with a society much less developed).

And if the Wakandans were not just highly advanced but enlightened (or, on the other hand they don't know the difference between black and white because they haven't been exposed to any racism) then they wouldn't acknowledge any difference with someone who isn't exactly the same shade of skin as them. It would just be seen as a variance in the same way that one person looks different from another.

Lol. I'm really digging the fan fiction here.

Personally, though (just like with F4) i'd like to see the original story, characters, aesthetic done well on screen before they do something as left-field as this.

 

[Sentinel X]

That is entirely possible. As someone mentioned above, Sue could be adopted by a black family. So a white baby could've been adopted by T'Chaka but raised in Wakanda as one of their own.

Actually, that would be quite interesting to be completely honest. I'd be open to it.

I personally am not feeling the race change for Johnny Storm. I don't know why because I was ironically open to Donald Glover playing Spider-man way back when that rumor was out. Maybe it subconsciously brings back images of the previous FF movies given that Sue Storm wasn't really white either (I know Jessica Alba is technically a Caucasian woman but that's not what most people expected when they cast sue storm). I do think he was the stand out star in Chronicle however so tats a plus...I guess

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I just read that Wrap article. It is so wishy washy it isn't even funny. I'm now taking it with the same grain of salt I take the Alison Williams rumor.

 

[Eddie Dean]

http://badassdigest.com/2013/05/02/5-reasons-a-black-human-torch-is-no-big-deal/

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

All the above aside, I think Michael B Jordan would make a good Human Torch. A better Human Torch, for example, than his fellow actors from Trank's Chronicle (DeHaan and Russell). His personality suits Johnny nearly perfectly.

I still think Hunter Parrish is the ideal Johnny Storm... But alas, it is merely one lowly fan's opinion.

 

[Duran Man]

All the above aside, I think Michael B Jordan would make a good Human Torch. A better Human Torch, for example, than his fellow actors from Trank's Chronicle (DeHaan and Russell). His personality suits Johnny nearly perfectly.

I still think Hunter Parrish is the ideal Johnny Storm... But alas, it is merely one lowly fan's opinion.

+1 . For years I've thought he'd be great as Johnny.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

+1 . For years I've thought he'd be great as Johnny.

two lowly fan's opinions... haha.

Plus he's doing NOTHING right now. COME ON TRANK! Pick him up!