Flight 93 - What really happened?

[captain_jimbo]

Wow, I'm getting out of here.

 

[Carter]

Oh don't worry this is normal

 

[Snipershot]

i think it was shot down and overtaken. that is not a choice, so im not voting

 

[FlameHead]

Well, there was a good conversation going on there for a while but... bull**** has caused that to end.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Actually, rocket fuel does not burn at the necessary temperature and even if it did, it would have had to been a consistant heat for a long period of time to cause the steel to collapse.

For those who want a very scientific look at the WTC tower collapse, look at this: http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/trumpman/CoreAnalysisFinal.htm

Incorrect. Those analysis attempt to prove you would've had to melt the steel beams when in fact you'd just have to weaken them.

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

 

[FlameHead]

Yes of course. It was the rugs and curtains burning that brought the twin towers down. Finally, the truth is uncovered.

 

[Admiral_N8]

When reason fails, just resort to gay-bashing, huh?

Thats funny coming from you....because when reason fails you just resort to your typical run of the mill Bush-bashing.

Cute.

And I didnt know you were bi, I do know.

 

[Milkman95]

Love the conspiracy crap that flies around here, it's entertaining to know people actually believe this utter cow-dung.............

 

[Admiral_N8]

Love the conspiracy crap that flies around here, it's entertaining to know people actually believe this utter cow-dung.............

See, its because they have way too much time on their hands.

Idle hands are the devils playground.

 

[Corinthian™]

See, its because they have way too much time on their hands.

Idle hands are the devils playground.

calm hands do not change the world

a world that does not change is a world that is better dead

And I don't believe in this because I have idle hands, it's because I think that America's Gov is that evil and that it was better for Americans anyways. They always need to have an enemy or they won't be at peace

 

[Admiral_N8]

calm hands do not change the world

a world that does not change is a world that is better dead

And I don't believe in this because I have idle hands, it's because I think that America's Gov is that evil and that it was better for Americans anyways. They always need to have an enemy or they won't be at peace

So you think that 3,000 Americans dying was good for Americans?

Wow...you people are really sad...not caring about them dying, saying it was "good", etc

 

[Darren Daring]

Only a couple of times, out of frustration with dealing with closed-minded individuals such as you, but I've changed my mind.

Wait, why am I close minded all of a sudden

 

[Corinthian™]

So you think that 3,000 Americans dying was good for Americans?

Wow...you people are really sad...not caring about them dying, saying it was "good", etc

are you suffering an economic disaster?

No, because the War is always saving America.

And if you think that a goverment will not sacrifice 5 thousand people for the good of the country you need to get your head checked.

In short, it was horrible, but in the end, it was good that it happened.

I'm not glad it happened, in fact, I'm disgusted with this whole situation

 

[Corinthian™]

Wait, why am I close minded all of a sudden

you were born that way

 

[kane9321]

Electricity cut at WTC on weekend before 9/11...

Security level abruptly lowered at WTC days before attack; Bomb-sniffing dogs suddenly withdrawn...

sum..your makin me scared dude

 

[kane9321]

Electricity cut at WTC on weekend before 9/11...

Security level abruptly lowered at WTC days before attack; Bomb-sniffing dogs suddenly withdrawn...

sum..your makin me scared dude

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Thats funny coming from you....because when reason fails you just resort to your typical run of the mill Bush-bashing.

Bashing a single individual for being corrupt and incompetent is not at all the same as bashing a minority of over 700 million people worldwide who are often subject to discrimination.

And I didnt know you were bi, I do know.

It's "now", not "know".

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Wait, why am I close minded all of a sudden

Because you tend to call anyone whose personal views differ from your own "******ed" over and over again.

 

[Darren Daring]

Because you tend to call anyone whose personal views differ from your own "******ed" over and over again.

You do know that I'm not actually serious, right?

 

[TheSumOfGod]

sum..your makin me scared dude

The truth is a scary thing, which is why most people try to stay as far away from it as possible. Government propaganda is so much more comfortable to live with, it lets you sleep better at night.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

You do know that I'm not actually serious, right?

When you do it a dozen times in a row, until a mod has to intervene, it seems pretty f***ing serious.

 

[Darren Daring]

When you do it a dozen times in a row, until a mod has to intervene, it seems pretty f***ing serious.

Well, its' not. Whenever I post something that's so ridiculously offensive or stupid that you figure I'm either joking or stabbing myself in the face while typing, It's usually the former.

EDIT: In fact, it's always the former.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Well, its' not. Whenever I post something that's so ridiculously offensive or stupid that you figure I'm either joking or stabbing myself in the face while typing, It's usually the former.

EDIT: In fact, it's always the former.

And then you wonder why you're not a mod.

 

[Darren Daring]

No I don't

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Just click on my sig, where it says "look".