How can you rape something like Dragonball that's already a steaming pile to begin with?
I'm not a big dragonball fan but, your viewpoint appears to be extremely biased. The basic themes(conflicts and companionship) of the dragon ball comic can be seen in multiple pieces of literature and many blockbuster films(Star Wars at it's core is simply the struggle between good and evil). The Dragon ball Z cartoon had similar themes and those regarding the importance of friendship, the tradegy of indulgence, and failure of revenge. Your statement suggests you've barely watched or read any Dragon cartoons or comics.
I mean, personally? I don't give a crap about the "fanboy perspective" on Fox.
I don't believe this for one second. You wouldn't have spent a whole year defending X-Men 3 on a fanboy website in the "If you don't like the movie post here" if you didn't give a crap. You also, wouldn't have lossed your temper when I was analyzing and criticizing all the false statements that Simon Kinberg made in december of 2006.
I like a lot of their movies - X-Men trilogy (yes, including X-Men: The Last Stand), Star Wars, yes I like the Fantastic 4 movies. The Simpsons Movie, Independence Day, Titanic
I also liked some of these movies and I still think fanastic four 1/2, Independence Day, and X3 are still crapfests.
- anyways yea, it's completely possible to be perfectly satisfied with the products that Fox releases.
It's also, reasonable to be unsatisfied with Fox films.
I have ZERO bitterness towards a movie studio. They make movies. Entertainment. You either like the movies, or you don't.There's no reason to take it so personally .
I used to have bitterness after X3 but, I haven't felt that in a while. I simply hold Fox accountable whenever they screw up or look like they're going to screw up a property right I'm interested in.
(and yes, being a huge X-Men fan, I would be a "victim" of Fox, and know first hand what they can do to a movie - I STILL love the X-Men movies, think they were brilliant, and about 95% accurate to what I know and love about the X-Men).
What are you suggesting? Since you're not a victim people who were disappointed with X3 should change their perspectives?
I'm going to be honest - I get rather annoyed at all of the Fox-hate myself.
Isn't this contradictory to your comment about the "fanboy perspective" and your statement about us having very personal opinions about Fox? It's obvious, that you have a bitter attitude towards fanboys that don't like Fox.
It's a movie studio. They produce entertainment. If you're not entertained by it, that doesn't make them some evil conglomerate.
Many of us don't think Fox or any other studio is evil. However, it's obvious that all businesses have some level of corruption. Hollywood studios are no exception to this. The reason why many of us are so criticial of Fox is because they have a track record that suggests they are the most corrupt.
They just make a product you don't like.
They are also more than capable of making better products that I could enjoy.
Sure, directors might have problems working there.
Don't trivialize this controversy. Multiple directors and writers have said they would never work at Fox again. No other studio has such a sour relationship with former employees of a production staff.
Guess what, I have problems working at my job too. I'll eventually find a new job, move on, and won't look back.
Well, I used to have a job at a once prestigous pharmaceutical company that began to have management problems. After 4 years of clashing with my boss, co-workers, having mediocre benefits, and working with faulty equipment I was determined to get a better job. I currently work for one of the most admired clinial diagnostics companies in the world. I'm happy with my boss, my salary, my benefits, and I've been promoted.
I also, frequently find amusement in reflecting on some of the horrible experiences I had at that pharmaceutical company. I still have friends working there who keep me informed about how bad things continue to get. I don't find anything stressful when considering where I work now in comparison to where I used to work.
The relationship I have with my former and current employer is similar to the one I have with Fox and most of the other major studios. At one time Fox was my favorite studio for obvious reasons((Star Wars episode 4, The other ones were funded by ILM.) Alien, Aliens, Die Hard 1-3, Revenge of the Nerds, Braveheart, The Fly, Home Alone, Home Alone 2, Predator, Young Guns 1 and 2, There's something about Mary) These are only some of the movies made by Fox that I enjoy. It's just a shame most of the classic Fox films for me came out a few decades ago.
I was a huge fan of Fox up until the summer of 2004. The news of Singer leaving to work for Warner Brothers really caught me off guard and I began to suspect something was wrong with the way Fox handled the contract negotiations for X3/X4. I was also annoyed with some of Fox's more recent comic book and sci-fi films. X2 was the only one theat I really enjoyed in the past 3 years. Daredevil and AVP were crap. I-Robot was decent but, too short. Yet, I still favored Fox over Paramount, Universal, Columbia, Disney, and Warner Brothers because of all the great movies they made in the past.
Of course the turning point came during the summer of 2006. Fox released the most disappointing movie I've seen. That's when I decided to carefully examine the production history of X-Men 3 and I was totally disgusted with the false advertising campaign and the rushed production. Then I decided to research the production histories of other sci-fi/comic book Fox films released in the past 6 six and I was appaled that the treatment X3 got was normal since Tom Rothman took over in 2000. Next I came to the the realization that Fox had not released an enjoyable sci-fi/fantasy/comic book film in 3 years.
Finally, I compared the future projects Fox was working on in comparison to some of the adaptations from other studios and my love affair with Fox was over:
Paramount was working on transfomers and rumored to reboot the star trek series. They're also working with Marvel on the Iron Man franchise.
Warner Brothers had alreadly rebooted Batman. They were still releasing Harry Potter movies. They were also planning on starting a new terminator series.
Disney's typically released a classic CGI movie every year. I enjoyed 2 of their pirates films. The rumours of the tron sequel are finally going to be a reality.
Columbia/Sony and Universal are studios I've never been too fond of yet overall I found Columbia's spider-man series to be more entertaining than the majority of Fox pictures released since 2000.
I don't see any harm in comparing the faults and failed potential of a studio I once loved to the way other studios studios are run.
It doesn't make the company that I work for some kind of evil. They have a workplace environment that I don't agree with, that's about it.
That's true and it doesn't mean Fox and your company are free of criticism.
People are complaining because it seems to be human nature to complain about what goes wrong, instead of being happy with what went right.
Yes, it's human nature to complain but, we aren't just complaining for the sake of complaining. If that was the case then the other 5 major studios would experience around the same magnitude of criticism.
Perfect example is X-Men: The Last Stand. All I ever hear about is people griping about what was done "wrong" with that film, but nobody ever gives it credit for the things it got right (and yes, it DID get things right).
I don't know one X-Men 3 hater that hasn't admitted this. I've stated multiple times the very few things I liked about the movie. However, I don't see any reason to spend much time talking about these few things when so much other stuff bothered me. Since you've claimed to not care about the fanboy perspective I don't see why this is an issue for you.
People complain, and people are sheep. So something goes bad, one person complains, and then everyone else complains about the same things because it's the "thing" to do.
I've been around plenty of message boards for plenty of different topics, and I see the same thing everytime.
So what you're saying is that we shouldn't be skeptical of a studio company that frequently hires hack directors, writers, to work on overbudgeting films that have rushed production schedules?
It's one thing to be dissatisfied with a product, it's another to over react and take things like movies way too seriously.
It's also, another thing to overact to the viewpoints of those you think are overeacting. No one's forcing you to read the posts of people who criticize Fox movies. You could just ignore of all of these people but, these last few posts proves you were never capable of this.
If you don't like the movies that Fox has put out, then don't watch them.
I don't watch them in the theaters. I wait for the crapfests to air on tv. It's one of the smart and easy ways for me to save money.
And all of that stuff makes him EVIL how?
Overeacting I see.
The company might be a ****hole to work for, and create products that you don't like. That doesn't make them bad, or evil.
Overeacting once again.
It means they don't produce products that you enjoy.
For the record, I'm glad they didn't make an ID4 sequel. Sometimes, less is more.
One smart business move doesn't make up for many bad ones that pissed off fans and damaged multiple franchises.
You obviously stopped watching the movie after Cyclops died and missed the entire aspect of the film where Magneto manipulated Jean for his own personal gain.
Overeacting again. You're suggestion is silly that someone who disagrees with your opinion couldn't have watched the whole movie.
That's your opinion, and I would disagree with it. Despite what was done wrong, I still think that more was done right than wrong.
We get it. We've known you've felt this way for years. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Just like I'm entitled to continue disliking X-Men 3 and other fox films.
I don't necessarily disagree with the problems that you state, I recognize that they are there. But I don't think that they are as severe as people make them out to be. The first time I saw the movie, it seemed WAY too fast paced. When I saw it the second time, the entire movie slowed down for me, and seemed to be a bit more on point for what it should have been.
I don't think the acting was all that bad. No worse than the other films (I don't think that Halle was great in any of them). I actually do feel emotion in the film, in fact I feel that the final climax between Logan and Phoenix is just as emotional as Jean's sacrifice at the end of X2 (yea, I said it), and Jean's sacrifice is one of my favorite moments of the entire trilogy.
Nothing that I haven't heard before so there's no point in saying much about this. However, I will comment on one thing. I'm still convinced that your expectations were dramatically lowered during the second time you saw this movie because your two reviews of this movie are a night and day difference. You even admitted that the film you watched wasn't what you expected. The only way I could find any enjoyment in X-Men 3 is if I intentionally lower my expectations. I've never done that for any movie and I'm not planning on making that a habit.
I don't dispute that the film had problems, I know it did. I have stated my opinion of the film from the very beginning that it is at the same time the best of the trilogy and the worst of the trilogy. When it's working, I feel it reaches new, epic highs that Singer never reached, and I really feel like I am watching the X-Men on the big screen right in front of my face. When it's not working, it's the worst of the trilogy through horrible "creative decisions", and Ratner not reaching the emotional depth that Singer did (which was Singer's strength, the development of the characters).
I still get more satisfaction from the film than I do disappointment. The arcs for me are worthy events to conclude what was set up in the previous 2 films. I do think that the movie could have been better than it was, but that doesn't mean I don't think it wasn't good (how many negatives was that?! I think I confused myself).
You're being completely silly. Stop acting like people haven't put much thought into why they hate this movie. I spent a whole month just disecting all of Kinberg's contradictory statements. Before that I got into mutiple debates over what I still see as weak story structure and plot. I also had problems with inconsistent science in the X-Men world. The poorly choreographed fight scenes didn't impress me either. I spent time pointing out blantant instances where Fox falsely advertised this movie. There's plenty of negative things I could mention but, I wasn't planning on doing this because I thought these debates had ended awhile ago. You said there's no point in debating these subjects just a few months ago in the X-Men forum yet you are clearly playing the role of an antagonist in this thread.
In retrospect, these last couple of posts have convinced me you're probably insecure about your perspective on X-Men 3 if after 3 years you still can't except the fact there are many people who will continue to dislike the movie. I guess it's really not that surprising because it's human nature to act this way when your opinion is in the minority and you want others to conform to it thereby, making yourself feel better about your perspective.
...that doesn't happen in the movie.
This could be another one of those decisions. 
Damn fox can't you do anything right.
And it dropped off a cliff soon after.
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