Fox vs. Sony - who is worse?

[Havok83]

IM3 is the only film in the MCU, I havent seen. Thor2 was good but it was no Winter Soldier. I believe that film raised the bar for the solo movies

 

[Flint Marko]

Wait, people act as if Thor: The Dark World and Iron Man 3 are failures

I've actually seen it here more than you'd think. They always preface it with, "Sure it made a lot of money but..." and then go on to deride the films success and critical approval, trying to assert it as a failure of some kind instead of another notch in Marvel's belt.
I don't like using the word "hater", but in this case I think it's safe to say anyone who does that is doing so out of spite for Marvel Studios and their continued success. I just don't see any other way around it.

 

[starscream22]

Wait, people act as if Thor: The Dark World and Iron Man 3 are failures

I personally hated IM3's twist thus spoiling the movie and TDW was just okay to me.

But you'd think they were both Batman and Robin candidates the way Fox and Sony fans bring them up when backed in a corner.

Heck, I'd personally watch IM2 in a continuous loop for a whole day before I'd watch 80% of Fox and Sony's Marvel films but that's just me I guess.

 

[JEM]

I personally hated IM3's twist thus spoiling the movie and TDW was just okay to me.

But you'd think they were both Batman and Robin candidates they way Fox and Sony fans bring them up when backed in a corner.

Heck, I'd personally watch IM2 in a continuous loop for a whole day before I'd watch 80% of Fox and Sony's Marvel films but that's just me I guess.

You find the problem, it is this stupid wars Fox,Sony,WB,Marvel fan. You can see bias in all each camps .

Honestly, I think some fans just dont want Fox make good movie because it it would mean that right don't come back to Marvels.
If Fox make great movies and expand their universe, their X men franchise is safe for a long time.

It is the difference between two studios. Fox still has a chance to create a universe, Sony has more difficulty now.

 

[starscream22]

You find the problem, it is this stupid wars Fox,Sony,WB,Marvel fan. You can see bias in all each camps .

Honestly, I think some fans just dont want Fox make good movie because it it would mean that right don't come back to Marvels.
If Fox make great movies and expand their universe, their X men franchise is safe for a long time.

It is the difference between two studios. Fox still has a chance to create a universe, Sony has more difficulty now.

Given the title of this thread I think you've picked the wrong time to make this argument.

But for the sake of argument of course there's bias. I like Marvel Studios take on Marvel films far more than Fox and Sony's and with the news on what's going on with Spidey and F4 who with a straight face can blame those who feel the same?

There's no secret agenda here I just won't support the studio's I don't like until those franchises revert back for the reason I continue to specify. But I'm not going to lose any sleep if they don't.

Between the upcoming MCU and DCCU line up of films for the next 6 or so years it's not like I'll be missing out. I'll just support the films that I'm actually interested in seeing just like anyone else.

 

[JEM]

There is a difference betwenn having preference and say others studios are devil and they will never change.
But, you are probably right if the thread is just another studios wars, it isn't a place for me t:

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It's annoying to me how the Wolverine is considered to be such a "successful" and a "quality" film while copious amounts of scorn are heaped upon TDW and IM3. The latter two have critic scores that are either in the same range (TDW) or way ahead (IM3), and their audience scores and box office results blow it out of the water. And the Wolverine has just as much dumb **** in it as TDW and IM3, in fact I'd say it's dumber because they purposefully sully their "serious" film with all the cartoony ****.

Thank you for saying this. It really aggravates me as well. It strikes me as nothing more than some weird agenda to bolster Fox's reputation despite all their failures while disingenuously seeking ways to denigrate Marvel's continuous success.

 

[SuperT]

TDW definitely wasn't a failure but Thor continues to be Marvel's most mediocre character. Both of his solo outings have just been so-so to me.

 

[The Endless]

Thor has definitely been done a disservice. His films are basically rom/coms instead of cosmic fantasy epics as they should be. They should be like Star Wars crossed with Lord of the Rings. Not The Notebook crossed with Enchanted.

Iron Man 3 was ****ing awesome though. Don't care what anyone says. The first genuine "holy ****" twist i've seen in a film in years. And i love how Shane Black structures his films.

 

[starscream22]

TDW definitely wasn't a failure but Thor continues to be Marvel's most mediocre character. Both of his solo outings have just been so-so to me.

That's seems to be the consensus here but I bet you Ragnarok still does better numbers than Wolverine 3.

Guess which one I'll be supporting. t:

 

[First Avenger]

See I do not think the Thor movies are romcom,Spidey movies are IMO.I also think TDW was definately a LOTR-SW mashup for at least 75% of its running time. I totally agree that IM3 is awesome and have high hopes for Ragnarok.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I don’t know of many rom coms that feature blades protruding through people’s chests or severed hands revealing bone. This is just yet another example of hyperbole on this site.

I want to see more of the cosmic fantasy as much as anyone but I really love the Thor films and the continual trashing around here is ridiculous. Before Hemsworth we had this:

Marvel has made a ludicrous premise appealing and yet people here act like it’s some easy task making these characters relevant and likable while studios like Fox and Sony run premier characters like Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four into the dirt. Meanwhile people also fail to grasp that there are other audiences than themselves. My wife nearly swore off CBMs entirely after enduring Man of Kill in the theaters with me but The Dark World won her back over.

Personally I liked TDW more than CATWS, GOTG, and IM3 and I'm not ashamed to say it. But I remember a lot of folks panning CA: The First Avenger but after Winter Soldier now Cap is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just because the cinematic version of Thor hasn't achieved universal fanboy acceptance doesn't preclude a third film that knocks everyone's socks off.

I have a lot of faith in Marvel at this stage of the game. I see the same kind of pessimism surrounding Ant-Man but I think that film is going to surprise a lot of people. I'm really rooting for that film to succeed but I can't wait to see people complain about humor in a movie about a guy who shrinks and talks to ants.

 

[SuperT]

That's seems to be the consensus here but I bet you Ragnarok still does better numbers than Wolverine 3.

Guess which one I'll be supporting. t:

Uhm, okay. I'm missing the point here? I'll be supporting both of them if they're good...

 

[The Endless]

I don’t know of many rom coms that feature blades protruding through people’s chests or severed hands revealing bone. This is just yet another example of hyperbole on this site.

I want to see more of the cosmic fantasy as much as anyone but I really love the Thor films and the continual trashing around here is ridiculous. Before Hemsworth we had this:

Marvel has made a ludicrous premise appealing and yet people here act like it’s some easy task making these characters relevant and likable while studios like Fox and Sony run premier characters like Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four into the dirt. Meanwhile people also fail to grasp that there are other audiences than themselves. My wife nearly swore off CBMs entirely after enduring Man of Kill in the theaters with me but The Dark World won her back over.

Personally I liked TDW more than CATWS, GOTG, and IM3 and I'm not ashamed to say it. But I remember a lot of folks panning CA: The First Avenger but after Winter Soldier now Cap is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just because the cinematic version of Thor hasn't achieved universal fanboy acceptance doesn't preclude a third film that knocks everyone's socks off.

I have a lot of faith in Marvel at this stage of the game. I see the same kind of pessimism surrounding Ant-Man but I think that film is going to surprise a lot of people. I'm really rooting for that film to succeed but I can't wait to see people complain about humor in a movie about a guy who shrinks and talks to ants.

Thor is my favourite Avenger by quite a margin. He has the most cinematic potential of all Marvels characters. But his films are not "worthy" of his great mythos (har har). They are basically rom/coms. Him and Jane with her quirky best friend Darcy. Everything revolves around their relationship. Yawwwn. The Iron Man films or the Cap films or GotG didn't need that ****. Why does Thor?

Don't get me wrong, I think the first film is quite underrated. Thor and Loki have great character arcs. And yes they did well to make the concept of Thor and Asgard work and not be really corny. But it isn't epic or cinematic enough.

The second film is more cinematic... but the characterisation is literally non existent. Thor doesn't grow as a character throughout the entire film but at the end he says he doesn't want to be King... we knew that at the start of the film! The Dark World is a meandering mess of a movie that has no direction or real purpose. Hemsworth is fantastic in the role but as of yet he hasn't really had anything to chew on as an actor and Thor himself is underpowered and stripped of the mind bending imagination that Kirby and Simonson gave him and his mythos.

Ragnarok could be fantastic. Only if they get rid of Jane and Darcy and all that rom/com crap. And they need to let Thor be who he truly is. Stop nerfing him and taking away the imagination and inherent wackiness that comes with his mythology.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Thor is my favourite Avenger by quite a margin. He has the most cinematic potential of all Marvels characters. But his films are not "worthy" of his great mythos (har har). They are basically rom/coms. Him and Jane with her quirky best friend Darcy. Everything revolves around their relationship. Yawwwn. The Iron Man films or the Cap films or GotG didn't need that ****. Why does Thor?

Don't get me wrong, I think the first film is quite underrated. Thor and Loki have great character arcs. And yes they did well to make the concept of Thor and Asgard work and not be really corny. But it isn't epic or cinematic enough.

The second film is more cinematic... but the characterisation is literally non existent. Thor doesn't grow as a character throughout the entire film but at the end he says he doesn't want to be King... we knew that at the start of the film! The Dark World is a meandering mess of a movie that has no direction or real purpose. Hemsworth is fantastic in the role but as of yet he hasn't really had anything to chew on as an actor and Thor himself is underpowered and stripped of the mind bending imagination that Kirby and Simonson gave him and his mythos.

Ragnarok could be fantastic. Only if they get rid of Jane and Darcy and all that rom/com crap. And they need to let Thor be who he truly is. Stop nerfing him and taking away the imagination and inherent wackiness that comes with his mythology.

I have to show respect to a fellow Thor fan. Great post. I don’t feel the way you do about TDW but ultimately I want everything you want as well. In his next outing Thor needs a stronger arc absolutely but TDW had a purpose. It cemented Thor’s reversal from the first film and brought him back to earth. It also revealed that Loki wasn’t pure villainy but is still headed on a darker path.

The arc with Jane was not going to be discarded from the first film. That would have been sloppy. I actually enjoyed Darcy’s shenanigans but she’s had enough of the spotlight and there’s no need to continue her arc other than a cameo. I have no idea what they plan with Jane but that can reach closure as well as Sif needs to have a larger role than she has had. All in all, the franchise just needs to be in steadier hands. Ragnarok will mean the third director because there is no way Taylor is coming back. (I believe the rumors shortly before the film’s release that Marvel was not happy with him.) I am very anxious to see who they choose for Ragnarok.

 

[Zarex]

Ragnarok could be fantastic. Only if they get rid of Jane and Darcy and all that rom/com crap. And they need to let Thor be who he truly is. Stop nerfing him and taking away the imagination and inherent wackiness that comes with his mythology.

Marvel may ditch the "rom/com crap" for their third installment, but in doing so they risk losing a significant portion of their audience. Personally speaking, the Thor films are the only MCU films that my wife enjoys. And the rom/com crap - A handsome prince who's a big rough around the edges, a brilliant and gorgeous career woman with an inexplicably poor love life as well as her wacky best friend - are a big part of the reason why.

T:TDW had its problems, but I don't think they were Jane, Darcy and her assistant.

 

[Human Torch]

Darcy wasn't really as bad as people make her out to be.I thought Selvig walking around pantless for 75% of his scenes was more groan-worthy.

 

[starscream22]

Darcy wasn't really as bad as people make her out to be.I thought Selvig walking around pantless for 75% of his scenes was more groan-worthy.

I didn't think she was all that bad in the first movie but it was clear that they didn't have much for her to do in the second film. Just hit or miss comedy that was mostly "miss". I think you're spot on about Selvig though.

Basically Marvel Studios needs to step up their game when it comes to the Earth parts in Thor movies.

 

[The Endless]

Darcy single handedly ruined the finale for me. There is nothing wrong with some humour to break up the tension. But there was no tension because there was so much stupid comedy involving Darcy and her assistant that the tension couldn't be built up in the first place.

Whereas the scene with Selvig explaining the convergence... and then it's slowly revealed he's in a nut house talking to mental patients was genuinely funny and well shot.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I looked at it quite differently. We’ve all seen the end of the world/universe/etc. - let’s have fun with it this time. After the dour Man of Steel's endless collapsing buildings and superhumans exchanging punches but never hurting each other, I found the light hearted approach refreshing. A confused Mjolnir struggling to reach Thor as he and Malekith battled through the portals was awesome. The fact that Thor so confidently averts universal disaster without a real plan was very signature. I also find it interesting that critics who otherwise disliked the movie felt the fun roller coaster ending saved the film. There's some jarring tonal shifts in the end but Thor was always a wacky dichotomy to me anyway so I totally dug it. But to each his own.

 

[Zarex]

Darcy single handedly ruined the finale for me. There is nothing wrong with some humour to break up the tension. But there was no tension because there was so much stupid comedy involving Darcy and her assistant that the tension couldn't be built up in the first place.

Whereas the scene with Selvig explaining the convergence... and then it's slowly revealed he's in a nut house talking to mental patients was genuinely funny and well shot.

Darcy definitely could have been handled better, but I would prefer they hang onto Kat and the other earth based characters. Though many fans seem to prefer Thor: Ragnarock be a straight "swords and sandals" type Asgardian epic, the strength of the MCU lies in the variety of types films they've put out under the "Superhero movie" banner. I wouldn't throw out all the "rom com".

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Darcy definitely could have been handled better, but I would prefer they hang onto Kat and the other earth based characters. Though many fans seem to prefer Thor: Ragnarock be a straight "swords and sandals" type Asgardian epic, the strength of the MCU lies in the variety of types films they've put out under the "Superhero movie" banner. I wouldn't throw out all the "rom com".

I'd agree with this. I happen to like the Earth based characters myself. But I want to see more of Sif and the Warriors Three along with a vast number of characters from Thor's mythos that we've yet to even glimpse like Balder, Karnilla, Amora, Skurge, Hela, Gaia, etc.

 

[Havok83]

I like Chris but dont like how Marvel chose to portray Thor. They should have gone with someone at least 10 years older for one. The character should have been more experienced and powerful than they have him. He just seems too regular and doesnt convey the presence of being a god at all.

 

[First Avenger]

Liam? It's Chris, his brother.

 

[Havok83]

Liam? It's Chris, his brother.

Typo. Just saw the Hunter Games a couple of days ago....lol