The Dark Knight Rises Freeman: 'Nolan to return to Batman'

[KalMart]

What if Catwoman becomes a symbol of their own, a "bad inspiration" of sorts, and gets underprivileged people and low-timers in the crime world to revolt against those above them: the rich who doesn't do anything for the poor, the mob bosses who take larger cuts but remain untouchable while their henchmen risk life in prison, the cops who repress them and don't let them be free.... Can you imagine a big climax where Gotham is in total riots thanks in part to Catwoman's doing?

She doesn't have to adress people in the media to achieve this, but she can interfere with the big players' plans in key moments. She's a resourceful trickster, like the Joker was. In fact, I think she's slicker and harder to catch than him. So she uses that. If she tampers with the plans of the mob leaders, the police, and Batman himself, all while being a mute symbol of vigilantism against the people Gotham may hate, she may cause a lot of havoc.

EDIT: And to adress your point, KalMart, I do think she's best to fill that position, because we're not dealing with total evil here, we're dealing with grey areas. Aside from her unjust crimes, she's going to be hammering bad guys and doing stuff for the greater good, albeit for bad reasons. Most other characters available are outright villains. She's an anti-hero, more than suited for this.

The grey areas should be reflected in society and amongst the people that Batman is trying to inspire. I don't see how Catwoman committing theft would incite that in people after they've gone through the level of terrorism and turning on eachother like they did with Joker. I understand what Catwoman represents on a one-on-one level with Batman, and I could see how well that works in a shorter, more self-contained episodic presentation. But this particular story has moved way beyond that.

I honestly think that if they do continue with a third movie, it'll come down to either recasting the Joker, or going with a villain (or an institution) whose threat level can match, or even exceed, the scope that Joker brought in TDK. Someone who will create an even more apocalyptic state in Gotham and hold the fate of the city hostage, where Batman really will have to save the day in broad sight.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

And who would those be...investment bankers...real estate developers? Do we really want to see Batman take on insider trading?

Oswald Cobblepot, Roman Sionis... legitimate bussiness men, industry moguls. Ties to organized crime? Maybe. But no dirt on them. You have other people, CEO's firing hundreds for profit, some of them may feel they suffered wrongful job termination. Don't you think at least one would end up doing something inexcusable, like a big violent crime? Especially in the terror climate that dominates post-Joker Gotham.

Rachel said it in their Begins, the number one reason the city is ridden with crime is because there are too many desperate people, living in poverty. There were philantropists like the Waynes, and then they died and were replaced by people like Earle. Has Bruce really followed his parents example? No. In Selina's eyes, it's the Earle's and Bruce Wayne's of the world who fill Gotham with crime and desperation. She's willing to attack that source. Maybe making jobs for them and then double-crossing them big time to give that money to people in need.

I seriously doubt that Catwoman could bring up anything darker than what he's already going through, or offer any sort of outlook that would help him with that. They ultimately believe in different things, and honestly, Batman's done more than enough soul-searching over the first two films. The third an final chapter should be about an unwavering resolve to achieve his goal,or at least steer things back onto the right path.

That's were I think you get things quite wrong.

1. Catwoman and Batman see things really different, alright, but they both believe in taking action and inspiring people to fight against injustice, and they're both willing to train and devote themselves for the task, and even break the Law. But he doesn't want anyone to follow his example, and she does. And he wants Law to be enforced, and she wants justice and retribution (in her way of seeing it) not caring for rules at all. They have their differences and they have their deep core similarities, both personally and ideologically. And even is he's willling to contradict his ideology, he cannot fail but see that what she's doing is something that resonates with him.

2. A sequel without more "soul-searching" is SO pointless I cannot bring myself to describe it with words. Nolan NEEDS to make Batman the indisputable main character again and with that you need character development. To think otherwise is preposterous. He got in his current situation by his own decision, and nothing will make him get out of that but his own decision. But we know he doesn't changes mind that easily. He needs to have some sort of revelation before he takes that decision, and character growth and ideology refinement are absolutely necessary for that. To just have him taking off threats and trying to clear his good own name is, to put it simply, trivial, and has little to do with what Nolan has been building up to this point. Besides, he doesn't want to steer back things into course... he ended TDK believing he had left things in its right place, as bad as that place could be. But there is so much more he hasn't learned about his surroundings. Gotham is not the definitive Gotham yet as Bruce is not the definitive Batman yet. More soul-searching is required. Period.

The grey areas should be reflected in society and amongst the people that Batman is trying to inspire.

You cannot reflect the whole society. You select characters to do that for you. Police corruption was reflecte in Flass, corporate ruthlessness was reflected in Earle, etc... Catwoman is a very powerful character to talk about a lot things: People that have been inspired by Batman's doings and people who are fed up with the establishment.

I don't see how Catwoman committing theft would incite that in people after they've gone through the level of terrorism and turning on eachother like they did with Joker.

Both Nolan films present villain masterplans that include a very big theft (microwave emitter, mob bank accounts). Imagine a big technology theft that could put some weight in one side of the balance. Don't forget also how important technology is to Batman... what about a robbery in Wayne Industries, or in something like Cobblepot Industries? Can you imagine what Catwoman could do to her targets with high-tech equipment like what Batman has? She could take out players from the big battle.
Or expose corruption, in both the police, the government or the big companies. In an economic crisis, amidst an all-out gang war, with freaks beginning to terrorize all the city and a resource eating manhunt goig after the Batman provoking unexpected casualties... yeah, with all that tension you only need a spark. And that spark can come from anywhere. Even theft.

I understand what Catwoman represents on a one-on-one level with Batman, and I could see how well that works in a shorter, more self-contained episodic presentation. But this particular story has moved way beyond that.

I completely disagree.

I honestly think that if they do continue with a third movie, it'll come down to either recasting the Joker

Oh, please God, no...

or going with a villain (or an institution) whose threat level can match, or even exceed, the scope that Joker brought in TDK.

Which is really not exclusive to having Catwoman in the film. I don't think one villain can match the Joker threat level, but what about two or three combined? Not necessarily working together, but working towards their agendas creating a perfect storm of crime crisis in Gotham that only the Batman can fix.

 

[KalMart]

Oswald Cobblepot, Roman Sionis... legitimate bussiness men, industry moguls. Ties to organized crime? Maybe. But no dirt on them. You have other people, CEO's firing hundreds for profit, some of them may feel they suffered wrongful job termination. Don't you think at least one would end up doing something inexcusable, like a big violent crime? Especially in the terror climate that dominates post-Joker Gotham.

Yes, they would have to commit some big violent crime and get the ball rolling. That's what would draw Batman out. But until that happens, it's not like Catwoman should convince Batman to look over their books....just in case they will.

Rachel said it in their Begins, the number one reason the city is ridden with crime is because there are too many desperate people, living in poverty. There were philantropists like the Waynes, and then they died and were replaced by people like Earle. Has Bruce really followed his parents example? No. In Selina's eyes, it's the Earle's and Bruce Wayne's of the world who fill Gotham with crime and desperation. She's willing to attack that source. Maybe making jobs for them and then double-crossing them big time to give that money to people in need.

Now you're getting somewhere at least...and this is something I alluded to in a past conversation about Catwoman. If she indeed will be a kind of 'Robin Hood', if you will, then there's a bigger purpose she's working for. Many people seemed dead-set on her only doing things for her own personal gain as a 'free spirit', and that's where the brunt of my objections to Catwoman were focused. I felt that she had to have a bigger, more collective goal in mind, and we need to know specifically what it is...because that's what these particular Batman stories are about. She has to represent a bigger picture more evidently than just by her character traits alone. If they can create a character that does, in her own way and clearly to us, represent a larger element in the broader struggle, people who have been stepped on or whatever...then it's a start. A lot of that may depend on her true background, what she came from and what motivated her to that. But if if we're takling strictly lone operator who's only having fun, etc...implying what she represents just through that...then no. These stories are too big for that.

That's were I think you get things quite wrong.

1. Catwoman and Batman see things really different, alright, but they both believe in taking action and inspiring people to fight against injustice, and they're both willing to train and devote themselves for the task, and even break the Law. But he doesn't want anyone to follow his example, and she does. And he wants Law to be enforced, and she wants justice and retribution (in her way of seeing it) not caring for rules at all. They have their differences and they have their deep core similarities, both personally and ideologically. And even is he's willling to contradict his ideology, he cannot fail but see that what she's doing is something that resonates with him.

I think we just addressed a lot of this in the last paragraph.

2. A sequel without more "soul-searching" is SO pointless I cannot bring myself to describe it with words.

I have a feeling you'll try though, heh...

Nolan NEEDS to make Batman the indisputable main character again and with that you need character development. To think otherwise is preposterous. He got in his current situation by his own decision, and nothing will make him get out of that but his own decision. But we know he doesn't changes mind that easily. He needs to have some sort of revelation before he takes that decision, and character growth and ideology refinement are absolutely necessary for that. To just have him taking off threats and trying to clear his good own name is, to put it simply, trivial, and has little to do with what Nolan has been building up to this point. Besides, he doesn't want to steer back things into course... he ended TDK believing he had left things in its right place, as bad as that place could be. But there is so much more he hasn't learned about his surroundings. Gotham is not the definitive Gotham yet as Bruce is not the definitive Batman yet. More soul-searching is required. Period.

I don't see it as needing more soul searching, because he's still on a journey, and really the most defining part of it now. I see it as the point where he's questioned himself enough, and he's about to put his beliefs to the real test. I feel the major revelation has come at the end of TDK...and at great cost. Perhaps the costs will get even higher in the final chapter, but he'll push through even harder because it's the home stretch. As far as leaving things in the 'right place'...for now, he did. I don't believe that he'll continue to shoulder the blame like he did, it's just that the people weren't ready for the truth. That truth will have to come out somehow. So no, I don't see any self doubt or soul searching being the key to that...it's more about pedal-to-the-metal in the face of an even larger threat. If anything will come from within, it should be a more confirmation of confidence and faith, not reevaluation of his choice. The major choice has already been made, this is just the first step of it. And it's not trivial, because what he's working towards isn't trivial to those who he's trying to help and influence. Period.

This is also contingent upon what the major conflict of the film will be. If Joker brought the city to the brink of self destruction and utter chaos, then something has got to push it over the edge in the next chapter. It's not like the city has settled back into a peaceful state and Batman's just going through the motions while avoiding the police. Something even worse than what the Joker stirred up has to explode, and that's what's vital to Batman not needing as much soul-searching, but gearing up for one last (maybe) push, and hopefully clearing his name/standing in the process.

You cannot reflect the whole society. You select characters to do that for you.

If..as we discussed above...the character does indeed reflect society, and take it upon his/herself to represent it. So the question is....is this Catwoman doing that, and how? I think she must....and she'll have to be tied into the bigger stakes at hand, even if it's unwillingly at first. Why does she steal...is she trying to make a point that others will understand, or is she just doing it for her own entertainment? Does she wish others to do the same en masse, and why? Some have expressed that Catwoman doesn't need that...I believe that Catwoman absolutely does need at least that, if they're going to use her in these stories. And we have to see why...not just have it implied by her being her.

Police corruption was reflecte in Flass,

And was addressed directly....he didn't make Batman or Gordon question themselves or think about endorsing his ways themselves.

corporate ruthlessness was reflected in Earle, etc...

And he was fired with no remorse or sympathy.

Catwoman is a very powerful character to talk about a lot things: People that have been inspired by Batman's doings and people who are fed up with the establishment.

And according to the above examples, she should simply be locked up. So she may be hard to catch, but that doesn't make her any more important to hear out or what have you. If it becomes clear that she is somehow doing it for something more important, however, unlike the above who are motivated only by greed, then yes...she's something more than just that.

Both Nolan films present villain masterplans that include a very big theft (microwave emitter, mob bank accounts). Imagine a big technology theft that could put some weight in one side of the balance. Don't forget also how important technology is to Batman... what about a robbery in Wayne Industries, or in something like Cobblepot Industries? Can you imagine what Catwoman could do to her targets with high-tech equipment like what Batman has? She could take out players from the big battle.
Or expose corruption, in both the police, the government or the big companies. In an economic crisis, amidst an all-out gang war, with freaks beginning to terrorize all the city and a resource eating manhunt goig after the Batman provoking unexpected casualties... yeah, with all that tension you only need a spark. And that spark can come from anywhere. Even theft.

Like I mentioned earlier, I think we're actually converging more on the Catwoman issue, in that there has to be some direct relevance to what she's doing that's more than just implied.

I completely disagree.



Oh, please God, no...



Which is really not exclusive to having Catwoman in the film. I don't think one villain can match the Joker threat level, but what about two or three combined? Not necessarily working together, but working towards their agendas creating a perfect storm of crime crisis in Gotham that only the Batman can fix.

That's why as I said before, Catwoman could be a character caught up in an bigger thing, perhaps unwittingly at first, as a result of her extracurricular activities, and/or because of the bigger picture she has in mind.....if those who prefer the more whimsical, self-serving Catwoman will open themselves to those kinds of interpretations by the writers. If her agenda has deeper direct effects than just making herself happy, I'm more than open to that.

But for those who are adamant about not putting that sort of larger relevance on the character, and like her better as a person only looking out for herself with no bigger purpose to what she's doing...you should probably be happy for her to be left out of the next Batman film so that won't have to be changed...as I believe it would for her to be included in where this story is going. I don't think the character deserves a place in the next story by right of name or presence. The version of the character has to be right for the story.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

Yes, they would have to commit some big violent crime and get the ball rolling. That's what would draw Batman out. But until that happens, it's not like Catwoman should convince Batman to look over their books....just in case they will.

And when they're doing something wrong but within legal boundaries? Or when she tells him to follow his instincts and not wait for evidence to stop them? We know he will say no but it's an unconfortable no nonetheless.

if we're takling strictly lone operator who's only having fun, etc...implying what she represents just through that...then no. These stories are too big for that.

Absolutely agreed.

As far as leaving things in the 'right place'...for now, he did. I don't believe that he'll continue to shoulder the blame like he did, it's just that the people weren't ready for the truth. That truth will have to come out somehow. So no, I don't see any self doubt or soul searching being the key to that...it's more about pedal-to-the-metal in the face of an even larger threat. If anything will come from within, it should be a more confirmation of confidence and faith, not reevaluation of his choice. The major choice has already been made, this is just the first step of it. And it's not trivial, because what he's working towards isn't trivial to those who he's trying to help and influence. Period.

I see too many contradictions here. I'm sorry, it's just basic character storytelling. He isn't willing to admit the truth, but the truth will come out, according to you. That would have to happen near the beginning of the story, or would feel like a cheap device coming from the blue. If it does come from a decision on his part, to deal with new circumstances, then you need to have him find a new revelation for him. What we saw was take a choice, not live with it, not slowly endure the consequences of complete isolation, and dealing with that can cause many old and new pains to surface. That's soul-searching. Asking how long can he keep on goig like that, that's soul-searching. Remembering his parents and wondering the best way to honor their memory, that's soul-searching. Thinking how much can Dent serve as a symbol once the city is in chaos again and nobody believes in authority, the establishment or heroes, that's soul-searching. Learning he must let some people get let close and help him, or know he cannot be stubborn or self-destructive because he's too important for Gotham (something he doesn't believe quite so much at the end of TDK), that's... you know.

This is also contingent upon what the major conflict of the film will be. If Joker brought the city to the brink of self destruction and utter chaos, then something has got to push it over the edge in the next chapter. It's not like the city has settled back into a peaceful state and Batman's just going through the motions while avoiding the police. Something even worse than what the Joker stirred up has to explode, and that's what's vital to Batman not needing as much soul-searching, but gearing up for one last (maybe) push, and hopefully clearing his name/standing in the process.

I get this, but this is all plot advancement and resolution and not character development. I prefer to think that the resolution of all big conflict stems from within the protagonist, with a big change. I roll eyes when I see people here saying "If she fits the story Nolan has in mind, then she can be in the movie..." but they fail to realize that, with Nolan, themes are almost as important (if not more) than plot. That themes define how the story's going to be like and which parts of the mythos are going to be used.
First there's some allegory/commentary, then there's the definition of the main themes, then how the protagonist journey is going to reflect those themes, then which characters and motifs resonate better with those themes and allow the protagonist to effect that journey, then how they need to be tweaked to fit the plot. IMHO, plot should always come last. Always.

If..as we discussed above...the character does indeed reflect society, and take it upon his/herself to represent it. So the question is....is this Catwoman doing that, and how? I think she must....and she'll have to be tied into the bigger stakes at hand, even if it's unwillingly at first. Why does she steal...is she trying to make a point that others will understand, or is she just doing it for her own entertainment? Does she wish others to do the same en masse, and why? Some have expressed that Catwoman doesn't need that...I believe that Catwoman absolutely does need at least that, if they're going to use her in these stories. And we have to see why...not just have it implied by her being her.

Even if she wasn't trying to upturn class disctintions in society and just doing it for the kicks (not my option at all) she would still reflect a part of society... the new kind of theatrical criminals inspired by the Joker, or those out of control vigilantes inspired by Batman. Or both. She's a new kind of animal in Gotham and that can be an even larger movement if the story themes allow it naturally.

And was addressed directly....he didn't make Batman or Gordon question themselves or think about endorsing his ways themselves.

I think that, in the case of Gordon, it did exactly that. He ended up, after all, aiding a costumed vigilante who he knew nothing about.

And he was fired with no remorse or sympathy.

I missed your point here. He probably wasn't the only one in Gotham so firing him isn't solving the problem. I've yet to see W.E. deviate substantially from the company policy put in place by Earle, except selling the shares in public market. If Catwoman is indeed agains rich, wealthy socialites disconnected from the pains of the humble, characters like Earle would be good to show.

And according to the above examples, she should simply be locked up. So she may be hard to catch, but that doesn't make her any more important to hear out or what have you. If it becomes clear that she is somehow doing it for something more important, however, unlike the above who are motivated only by greed, then yes...she's something more than just that.

What about what we discussed in our previous argument... trying to disconnect Batman from his public light self, and in the process actually making him notice how much charity and social projects can do to heal Gotham. What about 'waking Wayne the philantropist'? What about teaching him to understand some people that fall into criminal life because of desperation? How about teaching to let go the non-murdering John Chills of the world? Well, maybe not that last one but she has more than one impression to leave on him. His contact with her actually leads him to have a more balanced life between being Bruce Wayne and living the Batman persona.

Like I mentioned earlier, I think we're actually converging more on the Catwoman issue, in that there has to be some direct relevance to what she's doing.

Definitely, both from a plot-wise perspective as well as from a thematic one.

 

[KalMart]

Even if she wasn't trying to upturn class disctintions in society and just doing it for the kicks (not my option at all) she would still reflect a part of society...

Perhaps with viewers who are familiar enough with her character makeup and comic history to fill that in without it being in the plot in front of them. But I think that most viewers will need more, and I know I'd like more than just that implication, and for her to be a significant obstacle/ally/etc upon which the big task at hand hinges upon....if she's used.

the new kind of theatrical criminals inspired by the Joker, or those out of control vigilantes inspired by Batman. Or both. She's a new kind of animal in Gotham and that can be an even larger movement if the story themes allow it naturally.

That's part of it for me, though...I don't feel it's quite the right time for that yet unless there's more 'space' for her. To me, TDK is setting up one last gigantic showdown, with Gotham's fate in the balance. If that's finished, and if things become more 'stable', if you will (using that loosely), then I think a more day-by-day type of story can concentrate more on Catwoman. I don't quite see now being the time of the story arc for the kind of movement that she'd inspire. So in a way, she could be better for a fourth film, whose leading conflict will center around them. However, I'm hoping that one more movie will close out the Nolan version, which I guess would be unfortunate for fans who want to see a Nolan take on Catwoman, and they didn't get to her in the third film. But I'd rather they do what's best for these stories, and if that precludes her, then so be it. Maybe another future version will do a great job of incorporating her.

But still, I think we share similar concerns about utilizing the Catwoman character well...I just feel that she's got to step up to the story's plate moreso than the story having to include her by right, so to speak..in this particular case.

What about what we discussed in our previous argument... trying to disconnect Batman from his public light self, and in the process actually making him notice how much charity and social projects can do to heal Gotham. What about 'waking Wayne the philantropist'? What about teaching him to understand some people that fall into criminal life because of desperation? How about teaching to let go the non-murdering John Chills of the world? Well, maybe not that last one but she has more than one impression to leave on him. His contact with her actually leads him to have a more balanced life between being Bruce Wayne and living the Batman persona.

I don't think so...maybe in an ongoing show or the like. Again, I'd like the next, and hopefully last of this series, to be a deciding war of sorts. If Batman makes it out of this alive, then he can think about what he does as Wayne afterwards, or how that will change. Not that there shouldn't be any Bruce Wayne in the story, but that part of his life should be paralleling the ultiimate trial that's ahead for Batman in some way. As I alluded to above, I would feel that after this last stand would be the time to find the kind of balance and even change in thinking that you're referring to....but a time that we ultimately wouldn't see in this series of movies. I realize that that's undesirable for some, but I'd be okay with that as long as this last story is done well in that way...and not because I particularly dislike Catwoman.

Definitely, both from a plot-wise perspective as well as from a thematic one.

But likewise, I also hope that if it turns out that they don't use Catwoman, we have enough openness and confidence in their approach to believe they did it for the right reasons, some of which may very well be reflected in the thoughts that we've shared here. If they're choosing between various characters, they should have equal concerns across the board for that...and choose according to their story needs, and not be influenced because Catwoman ranks higher than Penguin or Riddler or Zsaz or whoever.

I realize that may seem a bit hypocritical if one were to look at Joker, comparatively, as more of a priority/arch nemesis (he is, after all), and it's not to lower Catwoman's standing amongst rogues or what not, or to dismiss how multi-layered she is. But story direction should dictate who's chosen next....and if they feel that their story is better served with someone other than Catwoman, so be it. Having to include Catwoman shouldn't be priority any more than anyone else who's left....that way, if she does make it in, it'll be a fair decision based on what's best for that particular film first and foremost.

And based on the quality of the films we've gotten so far, I would expect that kind of discipline from them....and I'd look forward to Catwoman if she does make it in. But I also wouldn't be disappointed if she doesn't, given the aforementioned.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

I think there's plenty of time for a new film to raise the stakes, unleash that big apocaliptic crisis in Gotham that Batman has to resolve, and make him grow as a character from not believing in himself as a symbol to being the (almost) definitive Batman. Plenty of time. Look at all they did in Begins. Just make sure to introduce villains with as little of 'origin' time screen as possible and that's it.

I also think we shouldn't be raising ideas that rest in "who they think the story calls for" or "if they decide to use this or that character" points. We are not the filmmakers. We don't know who they're gonna use. We cannot ask Freeman why he thinks Catwoman will be in it, neither Nolan. That doesn't mean we're going to stop talking about it, as I believe it's pointless to stop discussion and just wait for cast news. I also believe that both story and characters should be decided by what themes and motifs are going to be used. So let me get the ball rolling there for a good discussion.

Based on the stuff we saw the Joker predict in the interrogation scene and the hanging by the foot scene, and what we saw in the film's conclusion, I think my favorite themes so far are 'isolation from society' and 'society punishing and pursuing the wrong people'. My favorite villains to show that, so far, are the Riddler ("rogue fed agent chasing Batman"-style), the Penguin (respectable high-tech industrialist, moonlighting as new era arms dealing/mob boss, far more heartless and untouchable than Falcone) and Catwoman (in the forms I've described above).

That's how I think any discussion should be oriented, not in which villains I like the most or how popular they are. Personal preference and Historic Popularity are certainly important aspects to be taken seriously, and influence my choices, but they are not by any standards the main things to consider. If that was so, I would be rooting for a recast Joker and Mr. Freeze. But I prefer to look for villains that can move the current story forward, and not stagnate it or take it into new wild directions.

So, those are my picks. Which villains would you want to see in the next films (assuming it's directed by Nolan) and why? A set of two or three villains would be good, I guess. And while you're at it, what do you think of mine?

 

[KalMart]

I think that we basically look at it along the same lines, but just have differing opinions on the particulars....particulars that would decide whether Catwoman or whoever else is used. But again, I hope that whoever they choose will be chosen because they feel the character is right for what they want to do. If it happens not to be Catwoman or whoever else, then it just isn't....I don't think the exclusion of any more particular villains will be a bad mark on the film just because they weren't picked. I'd look forward to the film just as much if they chose Catwoman, Penguin, Riddler, or even created a new villain that's not a major rogues gallery individual.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

And while they decide, who do you hope they will choose and how do you hope they will use them?

 

[KalMart]

As I alluded to before, I hope that they go with a story that brings everything to a head and feels like one last huge battle for all the marbles, and closes out this series/version of Batman movies. I don't really hope for any character in particular over another in term of personal preference, but part of me would like to see an adaptation of the Mutant Gang from TDKR as a leading criminal element as the city is crumbling into urban warfare.

 

[Mr. Earle]

As I alluded to before, I hope that they go with a story that brings everything to a head and feels like one last huge battle for all the marbles, and closes out this series/version of Batman movies. I don't really hope for any character in particular over another in term of personal preference, but part of me would like to see an adaptation of the Mutant Gang from TDKR as a leading criminal element as the city is crumbling into urban warfare.

Mutants in the nolanverse? Only over Chris' dead body.

 

[KalMart]

Mutants in the nolanverse? Only over Chris' dead body.

No, not mutants. They are human with no special powers. Whether they'd be called that or not for whatever reason would be up to choice.

 

[Anguissette1979]

I don't know how he's going to top TDK but I'd sure like to see it.

*waves at any old people left on the forum*

 

[baleheadbrasil]

In my case I´m...
Completely and utterly obsessed with Christian Bale since 2000
He is my love!!!!!
I think my nickname says everything! hehehe