From THE CHAMPIONS to THE ORDER

And it would be all right in FRONT of the poor guy.


But I was convinced that if Cap died, and Happy lived, Tony would try to have Happy fill the role.
 
I thought it was hilarious how schoolchildish that exchange between Pepper and Henry was. :up:

What kind of a name is "Hellrung," though? :confused:
 
A less randomly Satanic one than "Hellrung." Maybe Henry is secretly Daimon Hellstrom's half-brother or something.
 
What kind of name is "Topher" (as in Topher Grace)?

Names aside, Fraction's definately becoming one of those writers in Marvel whose work is worth looking forward too. Solid co-writing Iron Fist, and on Punisher:WJ, and on the Spectacular Spider-Man annual, and off to a good start here.

As to the baddies at the end of issue #1, the large-headed man may be Gremlin, the son of Gargoyle (not Grey Gargoyle, but Gargoyle, this short, big-headed fella who used to give the Hulk problems. He was played by Mark Hamill in the UPN Hulk cartoon in '97), and the woman is definately Iron Maiden. It may be another battle with some Soviet baddies.
 
Wasn't the giant red dude the Crimson Dynamo? Or possibly a new Crimson Dynamo?
 
Didn't Patriot and Kate Bishop beat the villain from the beginning of the issue by themselves once? Or was that someone else?
 
As to the baddies at the end of issue #1, the large-headed man may be Gremlin, the son of Gargoyle (not Grey Gargoyle, but Gargoyle, this short, big-headed fella who used to give the Hulk problems. He was played by Mark Hamill in the UPN Hulk cartoon in '97), and the woman is definately Iron Maiden. It may be another battle with some Soviet baddies.

That Gremlin is dead. Tony Stark killed him in Armor Wars.
 
Didn't Patriot and Kate Bishop beat the villain from the beginning of the issue by themselves once? Or was that someone else?

I think you're talking about Shocker or Hyde.
 
May as well bump my own thread.

Reposting my review of issue #2, with heavy spoilers.

Dread said:
THE ORDER #2: Fraction's OTHER good Marvel book this week. While connected to THE INITIATIVE, it features new characters and a new franchise (even AVENGERS INITIATIVE has more established Marvel characters in the cast), and it debuted in the Top 40, which is amazing unto itself. In a way the only part that seems like a drag is sticking to some aping of the pantheon idea, which exists as a leftover from Millar's details in CW that launched this. It seems every issue, least in the first arc, will frame the current action with giving the origin and character details of their cast one by one, which is an excellent idea for a budding franchise, and actually gives it a very cinematic feel; I could easily picture this as some TV series (and a decent one). The character of the issue is Becky Ryan, a.k.a. Aralune. A girl who was pushed into being a celebrity and icon to others by her parents at a young age, from toddler beauty pagents to pop stardom, she gains the power to literally shapeshift into whatever she wants, which is a challenge for a woman who wants to do good, but always seems to do what others expect of her, and leaves who she really is in the dust. Meanwhile, the Order have their training day interuped by a bunch of stock Commie metahumans, and they have to prevent one, an old Crimson Dynamo armor, from nuking California! The biggest hurdle is these warriors are a continuity nightmare. Gargoyle is dead, long dead. Iron Maiden has been seen sooner than when the Cold War ended, especially if we go by "Marvel time" that their universe started 13 years ago. The bear, possibly Ursa Major, doesn't fit either. But the reality is that they don't serve much use than to be punching bags, and for that they deliver, allowing everyone to use their powers dynamically. Mulholland seems to be simular to Jake Hawksmoor from THE AUTHORITY who gained literal power from the soul of a city or state, in her case, CA itself. It is also nice seeing a new speedster for a change who isn't a total loser. These new characters are coming along in an interesting manner and The Order manages to capture the heart of heroes in the media eye without going over the top like X-STATIX. Kitson's art is great as well, capturing both realism and "comicism". One of the better launches I have seen in a while from Marvel with a new franchise, even better than GRAVITY was. Hopefully the drop off after the first issue isn't large and Fraction can usher in bold new blood to the Marvel universe that lasts. They could be his RUNAWAYS (which in volume one, took longer to really pick up).

In terms of sales, THE ORDER #1 in July sold at #39 of the Top 40. While it likely got some attention due to the overall ability of THE INITIATIVE to boost some titles, that is a very good debut for a team of new characters branching off a CW subplot. It sells near where Fraction's other title, PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL sells. Hopefully the next few months don't see a bad dip because this is a promising little title, villain continuity aside.
 
Repost from B/T. Spoilers!

Dread said:
THE ORDER #3: The 2nd issue drop for Fraction's ongoing starring a cast of new superheroes (save for Pepper "Hera" Potts) in terms of sales was rather steep; 30% as a matter of fact. Drops for second issues are rather common for series, but still, hopefully the book can stablize quickly from there, because it would be a shame to lose it too soon. Marvel can always use some new blood, especially for superhero teams in other states.
Calamity is given the "origin interview" of the issue, and while everyone gets some play, is the man focus of the book as the team not only deals with the death of one of their ex-Order recruits who got fired in #1 (during the "Sweep Millar's plotlines under the rug" motion), but an army of Zombie Homeless People, affectionaly called "Zobo's". Calamity not only has some issues revolving the accident that took his legs or fitting in on a team, but on a rivalry with Mulholland Black and getting over the fact that he choked when he was ordered to "ice" the Cold War soldiers in #2 (leaving it to Supernaut). Interestingly, while some superhero books are eager to make murderers out of superheroes, the leaders of the Order don't take it as badly as Calamity himself does (at the time they understood why he couldn't and that was why they sent Supernaut and didn't berate him). The team still needs to work out some kinks in terms of collatoral damage, though. The meeting between Calamity and the drunk driver who took his legs was an effectively creepy climax and the team still needs to deal with media and politicians, especially some who want to kick them out of their new HQ to, presumably, make it a historical landmark. Having the politicians smile like Stepford Wives during some of those lines was priceless.
The book has a lot going on and a lot of good new characters to explore, none of whom are mutants or were mutants or aliens or whatnot. And I love Kitson's art. I doubt any fill-in artist could capture it, though, that mix of realism with the absurd without going too far either way. This has quickly become one of my favorite Marvel books (and one of my personal Top 5 the company offers) and I would hate to see it go by issue #12. I'm always up for a new order...of Order. Yes, that was absolutely terrible. I could never write a solict.

I will be irked if sales don't get stable and the book dies by #12 or sooner. :mad:
 
I wouldn't be too broken-hearted. I like The Order, but it's not like The Loners where I desperately want it to be picked up so it's not potentially the last time I'll see the characters for like two or three years.
 
As far as old school superheroics are concerned, The Order is one of marvel's best books. How often these days do you see a different villian or threat in every issue? If I had my way, Fraction and Kitson would be doing this book forever.
 
I guess. I'm not a huge fan of the new-threat-per-issue formula, myself. It's a bit like the freak-of-the-week formula on TV shows, which wears thin real quick.
 
I'm a done in one guy. And it's not like everything goes back to zero by the end of the issue. Fraction is advancing the characters along, as we get to know them.
 
Yeah, it's good occasionally, but I like long-running story arcs a lot. It gives me something to invest in deeper and deeper each issue, rather than feeling like every issue is a fresh start. Fraction is doing a good job developing the characters around those done-in-one villain threats, though, so I tend to just pay more attention to the character arcs than anything else.
 
Yeah. I really liked James' story this month. He may be my favorite character, yet.
 
I'll admit I like THE LONERS more than THE ORDER, but that still doesn't mean that THE ORDER is chopped liver. It is introducing brand new heroes and even sometimes some villains. That is a MAJOR thing for Marvel sometimes. That also may be the death-kneel of the book, because the direct market has proven very, very harsh for new character ongoings for the Big Two. Hell, sometimes a seemingly popular B-Lister has troubles sticking around for over a year, or beyond a mini.

Fraction is connecting things so it doesn't seem quite as "episode of the month" to me. The battle with Infernal Man linked up to stuff in issue #2 and #3. Heavy was blasted in the face by Gremlin last issue and was still wounded now. And it looks like the Zobo's may return next issue. And we have a murder mystery with the ex-Order recruits turning up dead. And mixed with all this is some humor and straight-up superhero action, with a system in place that actually wants them to be upstanding citizens, even if occasionally ordering them to kill for the greater good. I mean the situation with the Cold Warriors wasn't exactly an easy situation. There was literally NO CHOICE to stop the launch without killing those soldiers on life support who maintained it. I liked how James wasn't berated for his conflict of conscience at the time and seemed hardest on himself over it. No one screamed, "WHEN I ORDER YOU TO KILL SOMEONE, YOU KILL THEM, DAMN IT!" like I could imagine Gyrich or Gauntlet ordering in The Initiative (to minors, no less). No, Pepper just went, "Understood, we'll send Supernaut who is better able to handle that" and went about business, even giving Calamity a day off to "clear his head".

Kitson's art is also great.

And I like the collection of powers on the team. They're balanced and different enough while still utilizing some expected conventions.

Some new blood launches aren't so hot or offer an idea that doesn't fit for what Marvel is usually doing (like SPELLBINDERS or LIVEWIRES), but THE ORDER really does. Hopefully it stabilizes enough so I can see more than 12 issues, damn it.
 
I don't understand how someone could pass up Barry Kitson the first time around by opting for the trade. It doesn't matter what he's drawing. It's Barry ****ing Kitson.
 
So, did you get his run with Waid on Legion of Superheroes there PJ?

Look, fact is, I wasn't too sold on this to begin with. And It was either this or Thor, and that's no contest in my opinion.
 

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