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The Dark Knight Rises Future of The Final Film

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Christopher Nolan's Batman 3 - It Starts and Ends with Time

June 27, 2009
by Brandon Lee Tenney


In the recent weeks passed, there has been a lot of talk (coming from this Batman-on-Film.com article or this MTV piece from Christian Bale) about what I'll refer to as Batman 3, or to put this prospective film in context, the third film of what I always hoped (expected) would be Christopher Nolan's Batman Trilogy (essentially, what is the sequel to The Dark Knight). That talk has all been negative, unfortunately. Film journalists, bloggers, and fans alike (as seen here) have been waxing pessimistic about the rumors that Nolan may not return to what is, ostensibly, both his largest and, in my opinion, very best work to date.
It's common knowledge that The Dark Knight took a lot out of Nolan. The production was long, shooting entire scenes with the monstrosities that are the IMAX cameras was arduous, and, of course, Batman's cowl was not the only dark hood to hang over the film. Heath Ledger, whose Oscar winning performance as The Joker will be forever remembered and celebrated, died while the film was in post-production. While all of Ledger's scenes had been shot, his death cast a dark, deep shadow over the film. And an especially dark shadow over Chris Nolan. To everyone who's seen The Dark Knight, it's also quite clear that The Joker's role was never meant to end. "We are destined to do this forever," The Joker postulates, hanging upside down, caught but not subdued — merely another layer of his chaos. But, with Heath Ledger's death (and with him, The Joker's), that anticipated third film seems all but dead, too. The Joker was meant to continue as Batman's foil into the follow up to The Dark Knight. And therein lies the problem.
Where can Christopher Nolan and the Batman franchise go from here?
Batman Begins is Batman's birth. The Dark Knight is both his rise and fall to a place even darker than he thought possible. Should, as I expect, Batman 3 continue to follow this classic biblical structure, it would be Batman's resurrection, his transcendence. The bread crumbs are there, resting atop Gotham's pavement.
But it is there where my thoughts, my ideas, my suggestions branch away.
It starts and ends with time. Time, rather a time jump, is a two-fold solution when applied to Batman 3. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are not separated by much of it at all. Bruce Wayne returns to Gotham and brings Batman with him in Batman Begins. We see the first effects of Batman on his city. We're hopeful. We're excited. Crime recoils, unsure and afraid. But, like Bruce Wayne, we are naive. Batman's very presence causes Gotham to descend even further into madness. When The Dark Knight begins, we're left to fill in the blanks: Batman has garnered a dedicated following. He's the very symbol he set out to be. He's more of a welcomed celebrity than the caped and cowled, distrusted vigilante. And then we see him fall, with Gotham close behind and the people of Gotham being pulled in tow. The small amount of time between the first two films is of necessity. They are two halves, each a side of the same coin, one polished, one scarred. But Batman 3 needs not follow that same dynamic. Could circumstances have been different, sure, Batman 3 could have easily picked up shortly after Batman speeds into the night. But it never had to. And it shouldn't have to now.
Batman 3 should take place years, if not decades, in the future. Who says resurrection has to be three days? By aging Gotham, it ages the characters (thus avoiding a contemporary recasting of The Joker). By aging Gotham, it raises the stakes. Gotham, the fallen city, having been sunk for years now. A city without any hope. A population without a hero. Batman, still a distrusted wild card. Batman, still torn apart by the loss of Rachel. Of Harvey. Of Alfred - he has to go. But we gain a more mature Batman. One who, in the decades passed, has now seen it all. One who has been continually hated by the very people he protects. One who won't let himself become good in their eyes, become that celebrity. One who truly knows how to use his rage, his torment, rather than the Batman we've seen who only thinks he does.
A longer stretch of time affords the creators a sizable amount of leeway. Sure, while we must lose Alfred, perhaps Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox would then fulfill that role. Not a butler, but a confidant and engineer behind-the-scenes working from The Bat Cave beneath the long-since rebuilt Wayne Manor. Perhaps The Joker was, in fact, captured and contained in Arkham for however long it has been between The Dark Knight and Batman 3, but he has only now finally escaped. The Joker wouldn't need to look the same, in fact he shouldn't. His already warped mind would be even more twisted. And Batman and Bruce Wayne both would finally have to confront the very catalyst of their descent. The singular reason for their own madness over the unseen time between films. Open old wounds that (though fresh for us, the audience) have been long scarred over but never healed underneath.
Time passed is story gained. It is permission to complete a tonally structured trilogy as originally intended — though perhaps not as originally conceived. It's also structure gained. It opens the story to the possibility of a more fractured narrative where we can be filled in through flashbacks about the state of Batman while also providing natural places within the film to include some more classic Batman fare — flashbacks that, while in tone, would further the story, explain the status quo, and also show us some action of his years passed. Fights with Penguin. With Cat Woman. With The Riddler. Characters who just don't fit the tonal landscape of Nolan's Batman as a main villain, but would work fine as vignette-like flashbacks. Batman 3 could bypass all of the nonessential franchise films that every property creates. With a story set in the future, any story like, say, the one from Spider-Man 3, that would have happened without us even knowing. We'd only be privy to the after effects, the scars.
Nolan's Batman Trilogy was never, and isn't, meant to be about the happenings and escapades of Batman. This is not villain-of-the-week Caped Crusader. Nolan's Batman is a study of hope's triumph over corruption, over evil. Batman Begins may be the very beginning, but The Dark Knight is as much a beginning, maybe even more so. We don't need a middle. I don't want a middle. Tell me the middle, make me feel it, know it, right before the end. It's the end that I want. Batman 3 is the end that this series needs. It's the poignant finish to an already transcendent would-be-trilogy. And it all starts and ends with time. The future is where Batman 3 needs to take place, a future of bleak hopelessness, a future far enough away that the logistical issues of the contemporary universe are no longer an issue, a future that allows a bold structure but tonal congruence, a future at the very brink in need of a savior — a savior who must overcome his reluctance, his fear, and his foil in order to truly make the difference he's been unable to make for so long. Its title need not be so literal as Batman Begins nor so heady as The Dark Knight — simply, but thoughtfully, its title should be The Batman.
Even if it takes five years or ten, this is a series, a franchise, deserving of its very final chapter. And it's Christopher Nolan who should be the one to provide us with it. With closure. With hope. With The Batman.

this was a beautifully written article that i think everyone should read and authors concept of a 3rd film is quite different and i felt it was worth the look
 
That's an interesting and well-written article, thanks for posting. That said, I don't entirely agree. I think many people, including myself, have proposed that the theme of #3 should be resurrection, rebirth & redemption. That's almost a given, and I do agree with that one. I also agree that time is necessary for that to be effectively told, and I and others have already suggested that the next one should take place a significant amount of time after TDK.

But he lost me when he said the Joker is necessary for the story to conclude. Yes, he was the catalyst, but the catalyst doesn't need to be revisited, especially when he'd have to be recast. This is a story about Batman, and I don't think he's defined by his villains (even if they are defined by him) - if anything, he's defined by his city. So his rebirth as Gotham's beacon of hope should hinge strictly on him earning redemption in their eyes. And I think in order for that to happen, the "main villain," whoever that turns out to be, should be someone the public, in their lynch mob mentality, put in power to bring Batman down. And over the course of the story as things get out of hand, they'd need Batman to save them from the monster they created.

I've posted my thoughts on a storyline for B3 so I won't get into details again, but needless to say, the Joker wasn't involved. He served his purpose as the most terrifying singular villain Gotham had or probably will ever face, and there's no need for a repeat performance, so the threat in B3 should be something different entirely. While there would be several "villainous" elements working against Batman, I think the biggest threat should be Gotham itself, and the fact that everyone (the cops, the citizens, the media, the criminals) is against him, including himself. Until he can forgive himself for everything, he won't be embraced by his city for what he is. And that should be the real battle of the film. The Joker just isn't necessary for this.

But do also agree The Batman would be a fine title. :up:
 
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Nice article... but I dont like his story idea at all...

while I dont mind Batman 3 "jumping into the future"... I dont like how his ideas imply ....

1. His idea is just a way to get Joker back into the mix, when, in my opinion, Batman 3 can work just fine and dandy WITHOUT the Joker.
2. We lose Alfred. Are you serious? We lose one of the cornerstones of the franchise, of the Batman mythos, and the great dynamic and chemistry between Caine and Bale? Ummm... no thanks.
3. His idea implies we have to AGE everybody. Now Gordon/Fox will both be really old dudes, Bale will have to be make-up/computer-enhanced to look a lot older... I mean... come on... seriously? Why would we want this?

Sure, I like Millers Dark Knight Returns, but I don't want The Dark Knight to be followed up by "Old Man Christian Bale as Old Man Wayne/Batman"... I think this would be a HUGE misstep. Oh, and not to mention Warner Bros would have to rewrite their three-pic deal and tell Michael Caine he's OUT of Batman 3... expect maybe as cameos in flashback scenes...

and this author's idea implies that we don't get ANY more origin stories of ANY villains... instead we just throw them ALL into the mix. Since this author's idea throws the franchise into the far future.... every villain is established... Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, etc. So Batman just runs into all of them... and so the audience will just be SLAMMED with all these villains and have no establishment or sense of where they came from/who they are... ummm... did this author see X-Men Origins: Wolverine? Cause that's what that movie did, and it proved ineffective....

Yeah, I vote "no" for this guy's idea.

I think far too many people think the Joker is an absolute necessity for Batman 3... and I just don't understand why...

The Dark Knight ended with his CAPTURE. HE'S LOCKED UP. HE'S DONE.
 
This article really reads as a fanboy idea.
 
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Completely, completely agreed with Flichchick on this one. The Joker is not only unnecessary for a really good sequel... I'd argue it would also be counter-productive. The best possible theme for a conclusive third installment should be about Redemption and "arriving to a definitive and desirable status". To put it in her words, it should be all about Batman and Gotham, the city. It's all about what the entire Gotham thinks of him now and how Gotham is going to deal with this new kind image of Batman. We need villains that are representative of differents sections of the city: the justice system, the criminals, the regular public, those with power, those without....

Joker really doesn't work because he was NOT a part of Gotham. He was apart of the city. He wasn't a result of something that Batman stirred within the city, but rather an exterior element arriving to Gotham to meet his newfound purpose and foe in Batman. He was like a deity, a god that heard Batman's rumbling (another god) and went to meet him and punish him, and prove him wrong. It was like the god punishing Prometheo for daring to help the humans. When you see the interrogation scene, is exactly that... the humans are standing aside, watching as two symbols, two godsare arguing agains one another in a completely different plane, nd even arguing about the future of the mortals. That's why Joker worked so well in TDK. He wasn't human. He wasn't part of Gotham. Hell, not even Dent felt like part of Gotham, as neither did Two-Face. They were all deities trying to change the city. Gordon, Rachel, the mobsters, those were the ones who felt like they've been there all their lives.

The next movie has to be DEFINETELY different. The gods are gone now and Prometheo is alone with the humans, which are now hostiles. It's all Batman and Gotham now. And we have to see how the children of Gotham interact with tihs new Batman.... mobsters trying to use gain momentum and try new ways of nullifying him (Black Mask, Penguin), other criminals trying to lure him into their ways (Catwoman), the justice system trying to expose his intentity and take him out (Riddler)... that's what it's needed. Not the Joker again. Recasting the Joker seems to me like a poorly reflected idea, supported only by people who think a movie is made by shock value. "Gee, he's the best villain ever, so the last one really needs to have him in". Sound logic, right?

Batman Begins's villains were a result to an longtime predominant corruption in Gotham (Flass, Falcone, Crane) and the world (Ra's al Ghul). The came Batman to stop this. Batman's emergence brought two things that weren't part of the system: Hope, in the form of Dent, and a cathastrophic cosmic backlash in the form of the Joker. They forced Batman to put himself in a very hated and difficult position. Batman 3 should be all about moving beyond that. Forget the gods, now it's all between the lasting weak god (Batman) and the humans and their reactions to this crisis (Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, etc.). Forget about the Joker. He did his part. I'm not just saying he isn't necessary for a good trilogy ending. I'm saying he would be bad for it. And the recast makes it worse.


EDIT: Oh, I forgot, The Batman makes a fine title. I'm all for it. Also, I'd rather prefer a sequel that takes place in less than a year since TDK's events. I think it's much more interesting tracing the elements of the crisis Gotham was left in, like the huge terrorist threat they were subject to, Dent's death, the mob completely beheaded, and the people's dark hero now seen as a public enemy. If you jump into, say, 10 years into the future, you miss that part and fall directly into a new status quo. I'd prefer dealing with this current crisis and its contingencies first, it's much more interesting to me.
 
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