Justice League Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman - Part 1

[valmont]

That's assuming that she can go into 'god mode' at her will. You are using assumptions to argue with fellow ww fans ?

I made a mistake, I wanted to write: "Why didn't she do that against SW?"
Sorry, english is not my first language

Maybe she can't go "god mode" at will, it's just stupid that they didn't find a reason for her to do it against such a threat. It's the first Justice League movie, everyone should be at their best.

 

[souperman]

I made a mistake, I wanted to write: "Why didn't she do that against SW?"
Sorry, english is not my first language

Maybe she can't go "god mode" at will, it's just stupid that they didn't find a reason for her to do it against such a threat. It's the first Justice League movie, everyone should be at their best.

My take on the "god mode" in WW was that she "reflected" Ares power against him. She absorbs the power used on her and them re-focuses it against the bad guy. She seems to "catch" the energy with the bracelets. She did use SW power against him but was not enough to defeat him.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

My take on the "god mode" in WW was that she "reflected" Ares power against him. She absorbs the power used on her and them re-focuses it against the bad guy. She seems to "catch" the energy with the bracelets. She did use SW power against him but was not enough to defeat him.

Patty already debunked this. She doesn't absorb power. She uses her own.

 

[valmont]

My take on the "god mode" in WW was that she "reflected" Ares power against him. She absorbs the power used on her and them re-focuses it against the bad guy. She seems to "catch" the energy with the bracelets. She did use SW power against him but was not enough to defeat him.

The god mode thing happened just after she witnessed Steve die, Ares powers were not involved. Patty Jenkins confirmed that it was her own power.

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[anti_alto]

WW was holding back when fighting Superman. She didn’t use her sword (which I’m assuming had magical elements and can therefore wound him like she did against DD).

She also didn’t go berserk, and go into god-mode like after Trevor died and her powers amplified.

I’d love to see Jenkins direct a WW vs SM rematch in a future JL sequel or WW solo.

Wonder Woman WAS trying to restrain Superman which is where her strength and speed would normally come in handy, what's Wonder Woman supposed to do with a sword, lop Superman's head off, an arm? Can Wonder Woman do anything at all without her sword...

 

[Wanda Detroit]

Can Wonder Woman do anything at all without her sword...

Is this a joke? WW doesn’t need a sword at all. She just prefers to fight that way. Her sword was destroyed in her solo film and she still killed Ares. Lots of bizarre comments when it comes to Wonder Woman I tell ya.

 

[2kt09]

She's the fusion of Batman and Superman. She can fly and ride her own personal stealth jet.

 

[anti_alto]

Is this a joke? WW doesn’t need a sword at all. She just prefers to fight that way. Her sword was destroyed in her solo film and she still killed Ares. Lots of bizarre comments when it comes to Wonder Woman I tell ya.

She killed Ares with a one-off blast of lightning she "absorbed" from him, you do realize she didn't generate that lightning blast…besides, I'm talking about Justice League and how Snyder depicts Wonder Woman, the one time she put away her sword and shield she got flattened in 10 seconds

 

[Anis]

I’d love to see Jenkins direct a WW vs SM rematch in a future JL sequel or WW solo.

God no.

They shouldn't have any reasons to fight unless one of them got brainwashed or under influence. What would that scene serve anyway? More of us fighting?

Just show them fighting together and show them adding the same weight to the fight.

 

[souperman]

The god mode thing happened just after she witnessed Steve die, Ares powers were not involved. Patty Jenkins confirmed that it was her own power.

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Interesting. Thanks. What she said was that the bracelets do not generate the power which I can see.

...but the film shows her blocking Ares blast and then she seems to be surprised and happy to watch as the bracelets glow and she swirls the energy around before she sends it back. She did the same for DDs attacks.

Maybe not the intellectual intention, but it is how it's depicted.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

She killed Ares with a one-off blast of lightning she "absorbed" from him, you do realize she didn't generate that lightning blast…besides, I'm talking about Justice League and how Snyder depicts Wonder Woman, the one time she put away her sword and shield she got flattened in 10 seconds

All she did was take the lightning he threw and throw back her own blast. How many times does someone have to post that she doesn’t absorb others power.

 

[Bren]

Well, it looked like that in the film to me and my family. I prefer not having to watch interviews to know what actually happened...

 

[Flemm]

Well, the scene isn't filmed from the standpoint of a debate about powers.

It's supposed to show the connection between Ares and Diana, in relation to their father, Zeus. "Goodbye, brother."

Diana is finishing the job that Zeus started (he is shown smiting Ares from above as part of the backstory early in the film).

Hence why there is some "confusion." The powers are more story-driven in Wonder Woman, generally speaking, which I think is basically a good thing.

It's just that comic fans have an urge to quantify and define power levels precisely. That's something that the comics themselves have encouraged over the years, by publishing strength classes, and lists of powers, etc.

But I don't think it's the greatest tendency, tbh. There should be some fluidity to the characters' powers, and some room for them to adapt to the story.

 

[Loki882]

She's Zeus's daughter. If Ares (his son) can use the lightning attack, then it's perfectly logical that she can as well. Especially since Zeus apparently conceived her in part to kill Ares should he ever return.

And whether or not it's meant to he her own power in her own film is largely irrelevant. They could have easily written a scenario into JL where she uses that power. But they didn't, in fact they seemed to systematically depower her overall, hence the complaints.

 

[matt47]

Eh...yeah you can see that scene needed more explaining. I remember being like, "okay ****. I gues she has whatever that power is too. Where did that go in bvs?"

 

[Wildcard]

She's Zeus's daughter. If Ares (his son) can use the lightning attack, then it's perfectly logical that she can as well. Especially since Zeus apparently conceived her in part to kill Ares should he ever return.

And whether or not it's meant to he her own power in her own film is largely irrelevant. They could have easily written a scenario into JL where she uses that power. But they didn't, in fact they seemed to systematically depower her overall, hence the complaints.

I'm disappointed that, per usual, they made her look so depowered when compared to Superman. I get it, Superman is supposed to be the "epitome" of the team but in my mind, Wonder Woman should always be his equal. She shouldn't be able to be thrashed easily without a second thought, especially considering she held her own against Doomsday better than Superman did. Hell, Superman was essentially a punching bag for that entire fight. Wonder Woman was the one dealing the major hits.

And now she basically pales in comparison to someone whose ass she saved? Lame, lame, lame. And a major step backwards as well.

 

[valmont]

Just read the Wonder Woman/ Superman fight from George Miller's JL Mortal.
That's how this fight should have gone, that's how you depict WW trying to stop SM without killing him. It's heavilly inspired by the Sacrifice story arc. Both characters get their respect.

 

[Anis]

I'm disappointed that, per usual, they made her look so depowered when compared to Superman. I get it, Superman is supposed to be the "epitome" of the team but in my mind, Wonder Woman should always be his equal. She shouldn't be able to be thrashed easily without a second thought, especially considering she held her own against Doomsday better than Superman did. Hell, Superman was essentially a punching bag for that entire fight. Wonder Woman was the one dealing the major hits.

And now she basically pales in comparison to someone whose ass she saved? Lame, lame, lame. And a major step backwards as well.

They made him look bad against DD to justify his sacrifice. Had they made it looked like he had a chance his sacrifice would have been unnecessaty. They wanted WW to look as impressive to GA as possible because her movie's coming up but the truth is had the fight gone any longer she wouldn't have had a chance against DD either.

In JL their roles were reversed because if he wasn't stronger than the rest of the league then why took a huge risk bringing him back.

It's as simple as that, really.

 

[anti_alto]

They made him look bad against DD to justify his sacrifice. Had they made it looked like he had a chance his sacrifice would have been unnecessaty. They wanted WW to look as impressive to GA as possible because her movie's coming up but the truth is had the fight gone any longer she wouldn't have had a chance against DD either.

In JL their roles were reversed because if he wasn't stronger than the rest of the league then why took a huge risk bringing him back.

It's as simple as that, really.

How exactly was Superman "made to look bad" against Doomsday, even then the Man of Steel was superior to Wonder Woman if you take into account that Superman fought DD bare-knuckled whereas Diana used a sword and shield, their power levels in Justice League jibe with what was shown in Dawn of Justice. In fact, I'm baffled that everyone's so surprised rn, I saw it coming from a mile away

 

[Flemm]

If anything I think Marvel will pounce on this opportunity to steal some of Wonder Woman's thunder.

They will, yeah, at least in a sense.

Not because they are looking to antagonize DC in particular, but simply because they are aware that they haven't done enough with female heroes, and want to do better in that area.

Captain Marvel is a character who is going to be carrying the brand as part of her name.

Wonder Woman is the one thing the DCEU got right, and the one area in which they can be said to have beaten Marvel to the punch. Everything else is mostly an incompetent attempt to copy the extended universe concept.

So, that's irritating, because I know what's coming. Marvel is almost certainly going to do it right with Captain Marvel, not only in her solo movie, but also in her appearance in Avengers 4.

I do have confidence that Patty will make a very good sequel. However, certain things about Justice League are not going to look good in comparison.

 

[anti_alto]

They will, yeah, at least in a sense.

Not because they are looking to antagonize DC in particular, but simply because they are aware that they haven't done enough with female heroes, and want to do better in that area.

Captain Marvel is a character who is going to be carrying the brand as part of her name.

Wonder Woman is the one thing the DCEU got right, and the one area in which they can be said to have beaten Marvel to the punch. Everything else is mostly an incompetent attempt to copy the extended universe concept.

So, that's irritating, because I know what's coming. Marvel is almost certainly going to do it right with Captain Marvel, not only in her solo movie, but also in her appearance in Avengers 4.

I do have confidence that Patty will make a very good sequel. However, certain things about Justice League are not going to look good in comparison.

DC did it first but Marvel will do it better, though Captain Marvel is not a well-known cultural feminist icon nor will it be a milestone in Hollywood so that movie will have to stand on its own merits. I did enjoy Wonder Woman but it's really not as good as it's cracked up to be, I think it's silly of WB to gun for the oscars and I pray it doesn't backfire, WB may yet blow it

 

[Flemm]

DC did it first but Marvel will do it better, though Captain Marvel is not a well-known cultural feminist icon nor will it be a milestone in Hollywood so that movie will have to stand on its own merits.

It's not the solo movie that concerns me, because I really enjoyed Wonder Woman, and I expect the sequel to be very good.

I hope the Captain Marvel movie is good, too. I'm looking forward to it. But that's not going to take anything away from what Jenkins, Gadot & Co. were able to accomplish in WW.

It's more how the two characters will be portrayed in the larger universe that concerns me.

So far the DCEU has not handled that aspect well at all. And the crossover aspect is really the strength of the MCU, so I think it's reasonable to expect that they will handle it better.

 

[chintai80]

i thought gal gadot was good in JL - she's better in this than in BvS and WW, imo.

more confident - that's probably part of how the character is written though - she's less naive, more wise compared to her origin movie.

i liked how she would take on steppenwolf on her own. badass.

 

[jfurioso]

i thought gal gadot was good in JL - she's better in this than in BvS and WW, imo.

more confident - that's probably part of how the character is written though - she's less naive, more wise compared to her origin movie.

i liked how she would take on steppenwolf on her own. badass.

She looks more comfortable in the costume, too.

 

[souperman]

I'm disappointed that, per usual, they made her look so depowered when compared to Superman. I get it, Superman is supposed to be the "epitome" of the team but in my mind, Wonder Woman should always be his equal. She shouldn't be able to be thrashed easily without a second thought, especially considering she held her own against Doomsday better than Superman did. Hell, Superman was essentially a punching bag for that entire fight. Wonder Woman was the one dealing the major hits.

And now she basically pales in comparison to someone whose ass she saved? Lame, lame, lame. And a major step backwards as well.

I don't think so. I never had the notion that WW was the equal of Superman...in terms of pure power/strength.

She held her own against DD because she used her skills to avoid and dodge DD's attacks mostly. Sure, she took some hard hits and fought admirably.

Remember that Superman had been exposed to and poisoned by kryptonite and blown-up by a nuke! It was at night and he had not fully recovered yet so he was substantially weakened when fighting DD.

At the time Superman attacks DD with the spear, he is using all his might to fight off the effects of the kryptonite and still manages to kill DD. WW is knocked back by DD's last blast of energy and can't maintain hold on the lasso. This is why there may be a misunderstanding of WW being AS or MORE powerful than Superman.

I understand the desire to feel that a persons favorite hero is "best"... and each HERO has their own attributes that appeal to individual taste but this does not change the facts of their generally known powers.

In comics, great license has been taken over time to justify different stories and situations. In these films I believe they tried to use the best known and most widely accepted cannon. I think it would be a mistake to take the most obscure exaggerated powers and use that as the base for the characters.


In JL...

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...she was not thrashed completely. She took some hard hits and was trying not to harm Clark...until she felt she needed to do the bracelet slap on him. He was too fast for her and stopped it...although I don't think it would have been any more effective on him than it was on DD.