Justice League Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman - Part 1

[Micromind]

People forget that in the fight against Doomsday, WW was also punched and thrown by Doomsday a few times.

 

[Skrilla31]

Wonder Woman has now appeared in 3 movies and has yet to be referred to by anyone as Wonder Woman.

Indefensible.

 

[Micromind]

People in the small Town of Veld (in Belgium) did call her as Wonder Woman in their language in WW movie.

 

[Skrilla31]

Like I said, indefensible.

 

[terry78]

Well, people named Superman and Batman respectively, they never named themselves. **** even in the JL cartoon they only called her Diana.

 

[Mysterious]

But damn can't they just say wonder woman once. I saw an interview with ezra and gal & she said well uhhhhh the people called her wonder woman. Bcuz the interviewer asked are you called by your names in the movie?

 

[Flemm]

I'm sure Patty will take care of that in the sequel.

But I agree it's pretty stupid. It's like that because no one is supposed to know about her.

Now they are hedging on that idea, because people understandably don't like it.

Of course she is not going to call herself by that name, but the name should have been dropped by now.

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

Eh, I’m fine with just Diana. Personally “Wonder Woman” comes across as bombastic and cheesy, but we’ll see how Patty handles it. I can’t imagine her calling herself that, though.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

It is no more bombastic or cheesy than "SUPERMAN". It's something civilians say and how she is referred to in new pieces. Also, what is wrong with a little cheese. They are comic book characters for god's sake.

She doesn't really have a secret identity so her calling herself Wonder Woman wouldn't really be necessary.

 

[Enriquespy]

Isn't the restoration job part of her secret ID?

 

[Wanda Detroit]

Isn't the restoration job part of her secret ID?

She's not wearing a mask as "Wonder Woman". She doesn't wear glasses like she did on the tv show or in the early comics as "Diana". So I don't see where the secret would be at. Her hair being pinned up? lol

I consider that job as something she took on to blend into society more than to hide.

 

[Limonade]

She's not wearing a mask as "Wonder Woman". She doesn't wear glasses like she did on the tv show or in the early comics as "Diana". So I don't see where the secret would be at. Her hair being pinned up? lol

I consider that job as something she took on to blend into society more than to hide.

That would be an interesting angle. Trying to blend into society does have its problems. Almost like a local cop--off-duty. However, it would almost be a no brainer--to try to keep Diana's actual identity a secret due the complexities of her current relationships.

 

[jfurioso]

That would be an interesting angle. Trying to blend into society does have its problems. Almost like a local cop--off-duty. However, it would almost be a no brainer--to try to keep Diana's actual identity a secret due the complexities of her current relationships.

Diana got rebooted without any secret identity in the comics back in the late 80s. She was just Diana of Themyscira, the WW name was also something given to her by media and not chosen.
As I mentioned to misslane here a while back, she may get called Wonder Woman by the media and for all we know may feel about it the same way Affleck felt about the media-bestowed BENNIFER thing back then.

 

[Limonade]

Diana got rebooted without any secret identity in the comics back in the late 80s. She was just Diana of Themyscira, the WW name was also something given to her by media and not chosen.
As I mentioned to misslane here a while back, she may get called Wonder Woman by the media and for all we know may feel about it the same way Affleck felt about the media-bestowed BENNIFER thing back then.

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!

Now I'm sad... what could've been... *sigh*

 

[jfurioso]

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!

Now I'm sad... what could've been... *sigh*

Now I am afraid to ask.

 

[metaphysician]

People forget that in the fight against Doomsday, WW was also punched and thrown by Doomsday a few times.

And got back up and kept fighting, just like Superman did.

 

[metaphysician]

She's not wearing a mask as "Wonder Woman". She doesn't wear glasses like she did on the tv show or in the early comics as "Diana". So I don't see where the secret would be at. Her hair being pinned up? lol

I consider that job as something she took on to blend into society more than to hide.

I would love if a future movie made clear that she basically has a public ID, or something near to it. Who she really is, is at worst an open secret among her close coworkers and colleagues.

And does this pose a problem for her friends and acquaintances? Nope, because anybody seriously threatening is going to find her, secret ID or no, and so they'd be in danger anyway; and anybody a secret ID could keep away, is also kept away by the fact of her being WW, either in threat or in practice.

 

[Vlyse]

I don't like looking at the Doomsday fight for analyzing WW's power level in the DCEU. It was her first cinematic appearance ever, plus the only thing she did in that film. Of course she was gonna put up a good fight and not really get hurt or anything. She was on posters for BVS in full costume. People came to see her kick ass, not get her ass kicked.

 

[terry78]

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

I don't think so. I never had the notion that WW was the equal of Superman...in terms of pure power/strength.

She held her own against DD because she used her skills to avoid and dodge DD's attacks mostly. Sure, she took some hard hits and fought admirably.

Remember that Superman had been exposed to and poisoned by kryptonite and blown-up by a nuke! It was at night and he had not fully recovered yet so he was substantially weakened when fighting DD.

At the time Superman attacks DD with the spear, he is using all his might to fight off the effects of the kryptonite and still manages to kill DD. WW is knocked back by DD's last blast of energy and can't maintain hold on the lasso. This is why there may be a misunderstanding of WW being AS or MORE powerful than Superman.

I understand the desire to feel that a persons favorite hero is "best"... and each HERO has their own attributes that appeal to individual taste but this does not change the facts of their generally known powers.

In comics, great license has been taken over time to justify different stories and situations. In these films I believe they tried to use the best known and most widely accepted cannon. I think it would be a mistake to take the most obscure exaggerated powers and use that as the base for the characters.


In JL...

Spoiler

...she was not thrashed completely. She took some hard hits and was trying not to harm Clark...until she felt she needed to do the bracelet slap on him. He was too fast for her and stopped it...although I don't think it would have been any more effective on him than it was on DD.

If Superman got nuked and exposed to Kryptonite, then how did he manage to magically get stronger after his resurrection? Last I checked he was buried 6 ft under without any kind of sunlight.

Furthermore, for WW to parry a blow from Doomsday, and restrain him with her lasso, would require that she at least has strength close to Doomsday's, by the virtue of simple physics.

In any case, it's more of an issue of writers and directors being inconsistent and what not. In the comics different writers portray the heroes with varying levels of strength. I'm not sure why some don't like seeing WW having Kryptonian-level strength. At least in the DCEU, she doesn't have any other powers like flight or heat vision to compensate.

 

[Anis]

If Superman got nuked and exposed to Kryptonite, then how did he manage to magically get stronger after his resurrection? Last I checked he was buried 6 ft under without any kind of sunlight.

Furthermore, for WW to parry a blow from Doomsday, and restrain him with her lasso, would require that she at least has strength close to Doomsday's, by the virtue of simple physics.

In any case, it's more of an issue of writers and directors being inconsistent and what not. In the comics different writers portray the heroes with varying levels of strength. I'm not sure why some don't like seeing WW having Kryptonian-level strength. At least in the DCEU, she doesn't have any other powers like flight or heat vision to compensate.

DD got very close to Kryptonite at that moment so he's weaken. She wouldn't have held him that long otherwise.

And no WW doesn't have Kryptonian-level strength. She's never had that in any carnations. She was very very strong but it's her strength combine with her combat skills that make her deadly. If she was as strong as Supes in bare knuckle what'd be the point of Superman when he's lacking every other set of her skill? I have nothing against 'seeing Diana having Kryptonian-level strength' if she really does but you can't force me to see what wasn't there.

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

DD got very close to Kryptonite at that moment so he's weaken. She wouldn't have held him that long otherwise.

And no WW doesn't have Kryptonian-level strength. She's never had that in any carnations. She was very very strong but it's her strength combine with her combat skills that make her deadly. If she was as strong as Supes in bare knuckle what'd be the point of Superman when he's lacking every other set of her skill? I have nothing against 'seeing Diana having Kryptonian-level strength' if she really does but you can't force me to see what wasn't there.

If WW didn't have Kryptonian-level strength, then she wouldn't be physically capable of blocking Doomsday's blow with her sword. Doomsday wouldn't even have to exert himself against her lasso, which clearly wasn't the case even before he was hit with the Kryptonite grenade.

Last I checked, WW couldn't fly, didn't have heat vision, or ice breath, or x-ray vision, etc. If she didn't have at least Kryptonian level strength or durability, then she never should've had any chance at fighting Doomsday, especially not when she got thrown around quite a bit while doing so.

 

[Anis]

If WW didn't have Kryptonian-level strength, then she wouldn't be physically capable of blocking Doomsday's blow with her sword. Doomsday wouldn't even have to exert himself against her lasso, which clearly wasn't the case even before he was hit with the Kryptonite grenade.

Last I checked, WW couldn't fly, didn't have heat vision, or ice breath, or x-ray vision, etc. If she didn't have at least Kryptonian level strength or durability, then she never should've had any chance at fighting Doomsday, especially not when she got thrown around quite a bit while doing so.

She certainly doesn't have Kryptonian durability since she could be wounded by swords and bullets. Supes would have just strolled through the No Man's Land scene.

And she couldn't have had a chance against DD had the fight last longer.

As for having Krytonian-level strength, if WW has the same level of physical stength as Superman it'd render him being refered to as 'the most powerful being on the planet' invalid. You're trying to challenge decades of comicbook history and continuity here.

 

[valmont]

People reaaaaally don't understand what we are trying to say about Wonder Woman powe rlevel and fighting skills

 

[anti_alto]

DD got very close to Kryptonite at that moment so he's weaken. She wouldn't have held him that long otherwise.

And no WW doesn't have Kryptonian-level strength. She's never had that in any carnations. She was very very strong but it's her strength combine with her combat skills that make her deadly. If she was as strong as Supes in bare knuckle what'd be the point of Superman when he's lacking every other set of her skill? I have nothing against 'seeing Diana having Kryptonian-level strength' if she really does but you can't force me to see what wasn't there.

Wonder Woman does have "kryptonian-level" strength in MANY incarnations and she's bested Kryptonians bare-handed including Superman (off-canon), Supergirl, Powergirl, Faora, Zod as well as her own half-kryptonian, half-amazon daughter Lara, in fact Diana's got a stellar h2h record against Kryptonians. I would say Superman is a bit more powerful, he's got heat-vision, freeze breath, x-ray vision and the whole shebang whereas Wonder Woman's got the skills and weapons to even things out