BvS Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman! - - - - Part 16

[Black Narcissus]

 

[DOBSON10]

First, as long as it's at least somewhat rational I think people have the right to be skeptical, even upset about casting choices. Most people begin to take a wait and see approach once the initial shock wears off from an "out of left field" choice. For example, I had a similar response to Gadot's casting as most did, she's really skinny and she hasn't been in alot of projects. Now, I never wanted a body builder type anyway, but she was really skinny. But, over time I've come to like the casting choice quite a bit. It sounds like they tried to pry Jaimie Alexander out of her Marvel contract but it just didn't work out, she was my first choice as well and at least they tried. Shame it didn't work out but I'm definitely warming up to the idea of Gadot as Wonder Woman. Outside of her slender frame she has an excellent look, accent and presence for the role despite her lack of acting credits and she seems to be taking the role seriously and working to add weight. I think she's going to do well.

My initial disappointment for this movie was that they were unable to retain Christian Bale. When I first heard Batman was going to be added to this movie I was hopeful they would be able to convince him to return. Bale and Cavill would have been amazing. But like Alexander, they tried, it didn't work out. As for Affleck, there were 2-3 actors on the list of potentials that were rumored to be up for the role that I would have liked a bit more but my immediate reaction was "could have been much worse". We almost had David Boreanaz and Jake Gyllenhaal play Batman instead of Bale back in 2006, which would have both been disasters in my opinion. Some of the actors rumored to be up for the role with Affleck would have been worse choices. As many have pointed out by now, Affleck has improved as an actor over the last few years, so while he wouldn't have been my first choice, it could have been much worse and I can live with it.

The one choice I still have a problem with is Jesse Eisenberg. I don't care how good of an actor he is (personally I find him solid but overrated), no matter which way they try to portray this version of Lex Luthor I just don't see how Eisenberg is going to pull it off. I understand that you're not always going to find a good actor that looks the part, has the time, is interested in the role and has played similar styles of characters. But nothing about him makes sense for this role, his look, his stature, his voice, his past roles, his overly youthful appearance etc., etc. I just don't see it, at all. But, I'm not going to trash the kid either and I'll watch it and give him a chance.

People love to bring up examples of actors that were criticized before actually playing the role that turned out good performances but forget to mention all the times when fans criticism was not only warranted but turned out to be accurate miscasting (*cough* Topher Gace *cough*). But at the end of the day, I hope everyone casted pulls it off and makes this a great movie because these two upcoming movies (Batman/Superman/Justice League) are something I've wanted to see for a long time.

 

[D.P.]

Lazy eye confirmed. Horrible casting.

 

[Charlatan]

Lazy eye confirmed. Horrible casting.

lazy eye? who is that?

 

[Lord]

I have doubts about this casting decision, unlike Heath Ledger and Michael Keaton, Gal Gadot hasn't realy proven to be a strong actress, she seems painfuly limited, in the Fast & Furious films she was also pretty forgetable. And about her physique, not every woman has the shapes to become like Gal Gadot, just like not every woman can have the physique most fans expect for Wonder Woman, her body's simply not of someone that can gain muscle so easily, women come in all shapes and forms, why not try to finaly promote a body type that isn't your average "model type".

Now, let's pretend she blew away everyone in the Casting department, how will she get her time to shine in a film called Batman v Superman? The film seems a little too crowded.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Many would argue Black Widow and Quicksilver were given time to shine in their films where they played second, or third fiddle at best to other characters.

 

[Lord]

Black Widow and Quicksilver weren't freakin Wonder Woman. And Black Widow was nothing special is Iron Man 2.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yes, but in A1? In TWS? And again Quicksiver made the most of his limited time in DOFP. Point is it's possible for characters whose name is no where in the marquee to make an impact on the audience, not to mention we have nothing but rumor to make any suppositions on any way. The cast could be unwieldy but many of the cameos outside of Cyborg (and so far this seems to be Vic pre accident) are not confirmed.

 

[Dark Raven]

If Gal's WW is serious and acts all tough, then I don't think she's going to be making as much of an impact as if she's a more light hearted character. We've already got Superman and Batman who are pretty serious characters, so adding another one like that won't stand out.

But if we see Gal's real life personality on screen where she's playful, smiles a lot and is happy and charming, that would be a real contrast to those other two and breath of fresh air. She would be like the rose between two thorns.

 

[dnno1]

If Gal's WW is serious and acts all tough, then I don't think she's going to be making as much of an impact as if she's a more light hearted character. We've already got Superman and Batman who are pretty serious characters, so adding another one like that won't stand out.

But if we see Gal's real life personality on screen where she's playful, smiles a lot and is happy and charming, that would be a real contrast to those other two and breath of fresh air. She would be like the rose between two thorns.

Are you kidding me? Black Widow wasn't like that nor was Katniss, Laura Croft, Storm, Trinity, or Scarlet Witch and people are saying that kind of super heroine worked. Now you are saying by being different from her male counterparts by being effeminate will make ber stand out? See, this is what I am talking about. People say they want Wonder Woman to be in a film and they say she is this great icon and a BAMF, but when you get down to it, there are still folks who want the character to be different from her male counterparts. Everybody, Wonder Woman is the third nature of DC's holy trinity, of which each nature should be equal. Sure, she can smile (as should her other two cohorts - except maybe Batman), but she shouldn't differentiate herself as being lighthearted. She should actually steal the show, and this film should be a bait and switch.

 

[regwec]

I think what he is getting at is that Wonder Woman should come without an "attitude".

Evidently she is tough, and she can be as serious as circumstances demand, but she does not need to consistently project a stoic, anally retentive countenance. At her core, her character should be an optimist.

 

[Dark Raven]

Are you kidding me? Black Widow wasn't like that nor was Katniss, Laura Croft, Storm, Trinity, or Scarlet Witch and people are saying that kind of super heroine worked. Now you are saying by being different from her male counterparts by being effeminate will make ber stand out? See, this is what I am talking about. People say they want Wonder Woman to be in a film and they say she is this great icon and a BAMF, but when you get down to it, there are still folks who want the character to be different from her male counterparts. Everybody, Wonder Woman is the third nature of DC's holy trinity, of which each nature should be equal. Sure, she can smile (as should her other two cohorts - except maybe Batman), but she shouldn't differentiate herself as being lighthearted. She should actually steal the show, and this film should be a bait and switch.

Only Superman or Batman could be effeminate (which would look very weird and awkward). Wonder Woman can only be feminine. Effeminate is only used for when a man acts like a woman.

And there's nothing wrong with her being feminine. You almost imply that she has to be more masculine, and that somehow being feminine makes her weaker. I said that WW can be less serious and more light hearted, because otherwise you have three very serious characters. Her nature will never be "equal" and shouldn't be, in the sense that it should not be identical to the others. Her strength or her determination or leadership traits might be "equal", but her nature, by virtue of the fact that she is a woman, should not be like a man's.

And also, you can't have three characters acting in the same way, just like in most movies or TV shows, you don't have two "straight men". One has to be more light hearted to contrast with the other more serious character. Since Superman has already established himself as a serious character in MOS, and it isn't appropriate for Batman to be a joker, then that only leaves WW.

 

[dnno1]

Only Superman or Batman could be effeminate (which would look very weird and awkward). Wonder Woman can only be feminine. Effeminate is only used for when a man acts like a woman.

And there's nothing wrong with her being feminine. You almost imply that she has to be more masculine, and that somehow being feminine makes her weaker. I said that WW can be less serious and more light hearted, because otherwise you have three very serious characters. Her nature will never be "equal" and shouldn't be, in the sense that it should not be identical to the others. Her strength or her determination or leadership traits might be "equal", but her nature, by virtue of the fact that she is a woman, should not be like a man's.

And also, you can't have three characters acting in the same way, just like in most movies or TV shows, you don't have two "straight men". One has to be more light hearted to contrast with the other more serious character. Since Superman has already established himself as a serious character in MOS, and it isn't appropriate for Batman to be a joker, then that only leaves WW.

She's supposed to be Superman's equal. Yes, it is obvious that she would look feminine, but she doesn't have to act that way. Remember, she is an Amazon, so she she shouldn't be accustomed to showing feminine mannerisms that we are accustomed to (at least I wouldn't expect that). I could see her smiling but when she sees other women, who she considers her sister), but less trustful of males. I want to believe that they cast a foreigner (Gal Gadot) to show the dichotomy between a person from a different land and culture an one who is native born. I think this will be what is remarkable about the character and make her atans out from Batman and Superman.

 

[BatFan1979]

She's supposed to be Superman's equal. Yes, it is obvious that she would look feminine, but she doesn't have to act that way. Remember, she is an Amazon, so she she shouldn't be accustomed to showing feminine mannerisms that we are accustomed to (at least I wouldn't expect that). I could see her smiling but when she sees other women, who she considers her sister), but less trustful of males. I want to believe that they cast a foreigner (Gal Gadot) to show the dichotomy between a person from a different land and culture an one who is native born. I think this will be what is remarkable about the character and make her atans out from Batman and Superman.

Well said.

 

[Raelis Shae]

She's supposed to be Superman's equal. Yes, it is obvious that she would look feminine, but she doesn't have to act that way. Remember, she is an Amazon, so she she shouldn't be accustomed to showing feminine mannerisms that we are accustomed to (at least I wouldn't expect that).

I hope they don't characterise her this way. No offense, I respect your POV, but being an Amazon and growing up among women should not make her less trustful of men. In WW's traditional characterisation, she is curious about man's world and when she sees the situation, she wants to help the people of our world--men and women. She should be tough and tender, with the compassion of Hera, the wisdom of Athena, and the bravery of Artemis.

I think in her recent iterations they focus too much on the Amazon/warrior bit--and it comes off a bit as a woman impersonating a man. As a woman, I don't want to see this because it implies you're only a badass female hero if you act like a man.

I hope they would show that WW is sweet, positive, kind, merciful and feminine. IMHO

 

[dnno1]

I hope they don't characterise her this way. No offense, I respect your POV, but being an Amazon and growing up among women should not make her less trustful of men. In WW's traditional characterisation, she is curious about man's world and when she sees the situation, she wants to help the people of our world--men and women. She should be tough and tender, with the compassion of Hera, the wisdom of Athena, and the bravery of Artemis.

I think in her recent iterations they focus too much on the Amazon/warrior bit--and it comes off a bit as a woman impersonating a man. As a woman, I don't want to see this because it implies you're only a badass female hero if you act like a man.

I hope they would show that WW is sweet, positive, kind, merciful and feminine. IMHO

That is the entire reason why Amazon tribes formed (distrust of men). It wouldn't be a grounded story if they didn't portraythem that way.

 

[Raelis Shae]

Well I still hope they don't take that route.

In my understanding the Amazons formed an all-female tribe not because they distrusted men, but because they did not want to be under the control of any man. It may sound the same to you but to me there's an ocean of difference. They wanted to control their own lives and bodies, without the interference of men.

In Perez's WW origin story, Diana was made out of clay, and all the Amazons are essentially immortal warriors raised from death by the gods. So logically, Diana would not have grown up with all that feminine baggage and man-gripes.

Also, I don't want to see an island full of women spouting man-hatred. It paints women's feelings towards men as black and white, when in truth it's more complicated than that.

 

[phoenixflight]

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I believe in Wonder Gal.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I think what he is getting at is that Wonder Woman should come without an "attitude".

Evidently she is tough, and she can be as serious as circumstances demand, but she does not need to consistently project a stoic, anally retentive countenance. At her core, her character should be an optimist.

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I think she should be shadowy, maybe a bit sinister, but become more friendly when she is able to realize that Superman and Batman are ultimately good guys at heart.

And then, she can give us that WonderSmile and become more graceful

Until she fights

 

[Bwahaha!]

I believe in Wonder Gal.

I'm going to keep the faith, too. The costume reveal, the first trailers and all that will influence me until May 2016, but I don't see the point in complaining for the next two years. Although, several here have been respectful in their doubts, and I can appreciate that all day long. But sometimes a certain meanspirited tone, especially if someone uses it against Gal 24/7 is a turnoff. I read a LOT of forums and comments section under BvS articles. Most replies are rationale but some people regurgitate the same negative crap over and over. Some of it's downright hurtful (but I doubt Gal reads that bs, thank the goddesses).

Btw, she did fine in those FF scenes, at least IMO. She wasn't given much to work with, though. A lot of the majestic presence people are looking for will come through if the writing is strong and the mere fact she won this coveted role that almost any Hollywood actress would kill for will give Gal a certain confidence onscreen. She sure projected fierceness in her latest commercial.

 

[Bwahaha!]

That is the entire reason why Amazon tribes formed (distrust of men). It wouldn't be a grounded story if they didn't portraythem that way.

Yeah and in one of my fav runs the Amazons were reincarnated souls of woman who'd died terrible deaths at the hands of men. Then there's the whole betrayal by Hercules and when he got Hippolyta's magic belt he and his men raped the amazons. The goddesses led the women warriors to paradise but the amazons were commanded to always wear the cuffs as a reminder they'd let men dominate them.

 

[Bwahaha!]

Yes, but in A1? In TWS? And again Quicksiver made the most of his limited time in DOFP. Point is it's possible for characters whose name is no where in the marquee to make an impact on the audience, not to mention we have nothing but rumor to make any suppositions on any way. The cast could be unwieldy but many of the cameos outside of Cyborg (and so far this seems to be Vic pre accident) are not confirmed.

When me and my non geek friends went to DOFP, several were hoping for a solo Qyuicksiler film. Cameo plus rolls can steal the show. But WW is listed as a *lead* in BvS. She'll get tons of screen time compared to quicksilver. Here's to hoping she pulls it off wonderfully!

 

[Indy Flash]

Now I know she will do fine.

 

[floreairfoot]

I think she should be shadowy, maybe a bit sinister, but become more friendly when she is able to realize that Superman and Batman are ultimately good guys at heart.

I'd like to see Wonder Woman throw Batman.. no specific reason, I just think it would be awesome.