BvS Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman! - Part 5

[Marvin]

Bringing up Cyborg is useless useless when talking about WW. He isn't as iconic or big as she is.

If it's a fundamental issue it should be one regardless of popularity/iconica.

 

[LaughingMage]

You're compering Greek mythology to actual religion.

I don't see Greek mythology working on the big screen in a comic book movie. Theists will probably find it offensive. It's weird, I know, I mean It's a fictional story.

Who cares what theist find offensive or not. It certainly didn't hurt Clash of the Titans and its sequel.

 

[badgrammar]

I don't think tying Diana and the Amazons to Kryptonian origins would be inherently any lazier or more unimaginative than saying "it's magic" or tying stuff to Greek mythology. It depends on the execution. It's just not faithful to the comics or the existing character mythology.

This

 

[kendalag]

Sure, it's pot kettle black ... but

elmayimbe ‏@elmayimbe 13m

Wonder Woman, Kryptonian? As they say on ESPN, "COME ON MAN!' Misinformatiin campaign is in full effect. Divide & conquer.

 

[The Question]

If it's a fundamental issue it should be one regardless of popularity/iconica.

Why? Popularity and iconic status are kind of important.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Jason of the Argonauts would like to kick that walking shampoo advert in the nuts.

Hear hear!

I don't care that Harryhausen's work is 50 years old..the monsters just had an other-worldliness about them.

 

[LaughingMage]

In fact, the film even has the gall to portray at least two characters who are some manner of theist, Thor and Captain America, in a positive light!

can you really call yourself a theist if you yourself are the deity?

 

[TerryMcGinnis]

Who cares what theist find offensive or not. It certainly didn't hurt Clash of the Titans and its sequel.

This. In this day and age, it's hard to find something that theists DON'T find offensive. It's not something anyone should use as an excuse to stifle their creativity.

Unless, you're thinking about drawing caricatures of a particular prophet, then you might as well reconsider your course of action, as it's been proven to have some nasty health side effects.

 

[kendalag]

elmayimbe ‏@elmayimbe 57s Gal Gadot's WONDER WOMAN outfit will consist of ARMOR. Not the Lynda Carter itty bitty outfit. I hear it looks dope. RT & embed!

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

@elmayimbe: Gal Gadot's WONDER WOMAN outfit will consist of ARMOR. Not the Lynda Carter itty bitty outfit. I hear it looks dope. RT & embed!

 

[The Question]

can you really call yourself a theist if you yourself are the deity?

Well, unless he believes that he doesn't exist, I'd say so.

 

[kendalag]

@elmayimbe: Gal Gadot's WONDER WOMAN outfit will consist of ARMOR. Not the Lynda Carter itty bitty outfit. I hear it looks dope. RT & embed!

haha perfect timing dude.

 

[Matt.S99]

Look, the mythology doesn't need to be 1000x accurate. They can fudge things a bit, just like any other movie with mythology.

As long as it's still in that vein.

 

[Marvin]

Of course they should be, otherwise you don't have any distinguishable characters at all. It's experience that shapes a character and that means you have to encompass unique circumstances otherwise you don't get unique characters.

Experience, not origin of powers. Cyclops has a very very different origin and character building experience then wolverine and even more so that of Apocalypse. Where it counts anyways but all are 'mutants'
As vague as this rumor is, does it remove the idea that wondy grew up on an all female secluded island? That she worships gods? I don't think the birthing needs to be as it is in the comics for it to 'work' and honor material. TDK trilogy knows all about that.

If you leave this unique trait of what makes Wonder Woman out you essentially reduce her to "generic Superheroin lady" or to say it differently. Her spot could be easily filled with any superpowered female character.

Curious, is that how you define every single other super heroine that isn't wonderwoman? "generic super lady" all with interchangeable spots?

Except that WW is not only about "representing" deities. She interacts with them on a daily basis. Her arch enemy is a deity she physically fights. Her second greatest enemy is a minor godess and sorceress who can turn people into animals. Her FATHER is the friggin King of the Gods. One side of her family are Gods, meaning brothers, sisters, aunts uncles and so on and so forth....

...And it does reduce Wonder Woman. It reduces her to nothing more than an acessoire of a MOS sequel to something that has no potential to stand on its own and thus makes her inferior to Superman or Batman. She really deserves better than to be Supermans new shiny handbag.

If that's what you really see such a thing amounting to than you are entitled to your opinion though it seemingly falls into hyperbole imo.

Secondly, it could be said that batman interacts with metahumans and superheroes on a weekly basis, yet most of his best cinematic achievements have had none.
This issue could easily be resolved in wondy by way of
A) Have her fight non godly metas such as Cheetah or other C listers as you call them, worked fine for Thor/Ironman and Batman. Good writing is the difference between a good and bad villain as far as I'm concerned.
B) Have the gods show up in something akin to the new gods of new genesis. I personally have zero issue with that, as far as the DCU is concerned alot of these divine power sets are relatively equal..

As for the mythic element on Themyscira: If those woman can be depicted with the same level of zealotry as say

Then, for me it works. The spartans in that film had absolutely nothing do to with pulply greek mythology and gods and such. They can believe what they want, if anything it will infuse the character, and really push the fish out of water angle. After which, see B).

As much as I hate the movie Troy, it nailed the concept in my opinion. Myth is filled with people believing they are being pushed and helped by gods at every turn, when they simply might not have been. I think that's a fascinating approach to wonder woman of all characters. It would be akin to historical greek heroes.
There is no reason why like Leonidas in 300, Diana can't climb enter a temple sitting atop a mountain and ask the orcacle for advice...none. Let them model their society and beliefs and buildings after the greek myth.

If wonder woman fights interdimensional demons from a place she calls hell, I'd be happy to receive it as wonderwoman as long as other things remain in tact.
All that being said, it's a rumor. Given what that one producer said about his thoughts on the property, I doubt any of it is true.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

@elmayimbe: Gal Gadot's WONDER WOMAN outfit will consist of ARMOR. Not the Lynda Carter itty bitty outfit. I hear it looks dope. RT & embed!

He's probably guessing based on what we WANT to see

But he's more right then not, I think.

 

[LaughingMage]

Well, unless he believes that he doesn't exist, I'd say so.

but... is he an agnostic or a gnostic theist?

 

[Marvin]

@elmayimbe: Gal Gadot's WONDER WOMAN outfit will consist of ARMOR. Not the Lynda Carter itty bitty outfit. I hear it looks dope. RT & embed!

If true I wonder what kinda shape she will have to be in to pull it off.

 

[The Question]

but... is he an agnostic or a gnostic theist?

He's not agnostic, because he isn't unsure wether or not he exists. He knows for a fact that gods exist because he is one of them.

 

[Lencho01]

elmayimbe ‏@elmayimbe 57s Gal Gadot's WONDER WOMAN outfit will consist of ARMOR. Not the Lynda Carter itty bitty outfit. I hear it looks dope. RT & embed!

Dope like that fan trailer he made a big deal about...

 

[roach]

These scoops are getting annoying...I'm going scoop-free 'til this movie comes out.

 

[kendalag]

These scoops are getting annoying...I'm going scoop-free 'til this movie comes out.

Only 18 months man ...

 

[The Guard]

I wish people would stop stating the obvious and acting like it's a scoop.

I mean...wow. A superhero costume that incorporates the concept of armor.

That's groundbreaking stuff.

Anyway, that sounds cool.

 

[roach]

I wish people would stop stating the obvious and acting like it's a scoop.

I mean...wow. A superhero costume that incorporates the concept of armor.

That's groundbreaking stuff.

Anyway, that sounds cool.

actually every costume she had incorporated the concept of armor

 

[SofNascimento]

I wish people would stop stating the obvious and acting like it's a scoop.

I mean...wow. A superhero costume that incorporates the concept of armor.

That's groundbreaking stuff.

Anyway, that sounds cool.

I'd say common sense is a huge scoop!

 

[Marvin]

I wish people would stop stating the obvious and acting like it's a scoop.

I mean...wow. A superhero costume that incorporates the concept of armor.

That's groundbreaking stuff.

Anyway, that sounds cool.

At this point, it's best to treat these things as fan speculation on these very forums. Motivates discussion and opinion, little more.