Gambit or Deadpool

[Angamb]

I have to say I want to see Gambit but won't see the movie in the theatre.

As I've said, I don't want to give them my money for a Wolverine movie, sorry, but no.

 

[Canemacar]

I really doubt that. Gambit's part in this movie will most likely be small, adding him to Wolveirne's origin would be like adding Hulk to the Spider-Man movie's origin. Since they are messing up continuity like this they are most likely not making a bold change.

You mean changes like killing off Cyclops and Xavier while having wolverine be the new leader?

Besides, he's already a part of Weapon x in the movie universe, remember stryker's files?

Also Deadpool spawned more fans when Ultimate Alliance came out, totally non comic fans that I know now love him after playing as him in this game. It may boost him up to being on par with Gambit, the gap really isn't that large.

Gambit was second only to Wolverine's popularity in less than a year after he debuted. Think about that for a second. In about 10 months, Gambit became popular enough to beat out people like Nightcrawler, Colossus, Iceman, and Angel for a spot on TAS.

It's been nearly 20 years and half of those have been horrible for Gambit, but guess what? He still ranked #1 in all three of the polls wizard magazine ran to see who fans wanted in the X-films the most.

 

[November Rain]

I have to say I want to see Gambit but won't see the movie in the theatre.

As I've said, I don't want to give them my money for a Wolverine movie, sorry, but no.

if you watched any of the last x-men films, you already have bub...

 

[November Rain]

gambit, wolvie and deadpool can all make an interesting team

gambit is the cool calm ladies man
wolverine is the kill hungry leader, slightly edgy
deadpool is comic relief but incredibly good at what he does, maybe even better than wolvie.

 

[BMM]

You mean changes like killing off Cyclops and Xavier while having wolverine be the new leader?

Besides, he's already a part of Weapon x in the movie universe, remember stryker's files?

I don't think Gambit's inclusion in Stryker's files necessarily means he's a part of the Weapon X program. Iceman, Magneto, and Storm are featured on that list too, among others. Instead, I think Stryker's files look to be a database of all things mutant related.

 

[GreedLantern]

It's far larger than you think.

And Kitsch has reportedly had bo staff and vocal training to go along with his role, so it's starting to sound as if Gambit could be a rather important supporting character.

And... THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT "CONTINUITY," except the one established by the films. Look-we saw Gambit's name on Stryker's computer in X2. They know that. Odds are it means he's going to be made into a part of Weapon X, hence Stryker's knowledge of him.


It's a movie, not the comics. They'll do whatever they want.

I know how large it is buddy.
I didn't know all that training stuff about Kitsch, so maybe his part is a larger one. I want Deadpool to have a larger role because he is more connected to Wolverine...in the comics (I know they don't care about continuity) and it would make more sense, argue all you want but it would make more sense for DP to be in the spotlight more than Gambit. I do agknowledge that Gambit was refrenced in X2 btw.

 

[GreedLantern]

You mean changes like killing off Cyclops and Xavier while having wolverine be the new leader?

Besides, he's already a part of Weapon x in the movie universe, remember stryker's files?



Gambit was second only to Wolverine's popularity in less than a year after he debuted. Think about that for a second. In about 10 months, Gambit became popular enough to beat out people like Nightcrawler, Colossus, Iceman, and Angel for a spot on TAS.

It's been nearly 20 years and half of those have been horrible for Gambit, but guess what? He still ranked #1 in all three of the polls wizard magazine ran to see who fans wanted in the X-films the most.

I am starting to change my opinion, I see your point.

Well when I posted I meant whose appearance would be best for the movie...kinda meaning story, I didn't clarify that but its what I had in mind. Gambit will definatley boost sales, thats as obvious as saying Wolverine's appearance will boosts sales. I really believe that Deadpool could do a lot for the story and origin of Wolverine.

 

[LadyVader]

Oh God, I was afraid this might happen.

*deep cleansing sigh*

You wanna talk healthy? Healthy is to have a studio that genuinely cares about the fans of these characters rather than the financial bottom line. Healthy is for Marvel to be making these movies not Fox. Healthy is to have an X-men franchise where the X-men are not ALL Wolverine's side-kicks, and for that matter it would be healthier for all the comic book fans in the world to not have characters shoved down their throats like Wolverine is.

So, in this pretty much all around UNHEALTHY situation we find ourselves in, the relationship between Gambit and Deadpool fans should be as close knit now as it ever was, as I feel there are a lot of Gambit fans who like Deadpool and vice versa. I myself consider them my top 2 marvel characters but in all honesty I could never choose between them. Fact is, they don't care about these characters. They care that we care. And they will craft the story in such a way to facilitate the existance of both of them in the same time and space. This has been the story with all the X-men movies so far. But the existance of one character cannot be healthy or unhealthy to the story of a movie.

Only good/bad writing gets that honor.

 

[Congo Jack]

...we saw Gambit's name on Stryker's computer in X2. They know that. Odds are it means he's going to be made into a part of Weapon X, hence Stryker's knowledge of him.

Just to comment on this point - this doesn't enhance the chances that Gambit was/is a part of Weapon X. Established movie-verse characters (I think Storm was on the list, if not her then others) that had no connection to Weapon X were also on the list.

Not to say that he won't be, but that list appearance doesn't swing it any way.

 

[BMM]

Just to comment on this point - this doesn't enhance the chances that Gambit was/is a part of Weapon X. Established movie-verse characters (I think Storm was on the list, if not her then others) that had no connection to Weapon X were also on the list.

Not to say that he won't be, but that list appearance doesn't swing it any way.

Exactly. In addition to Storm, Iceman and Magneto are on that list, and we know they aren't involved with the Weapon X program. That doesn't mean that Gambit can't or won't be, but Stryker's files don't necessarily dictate Gambit's involvement one way or the other.

 

[GreedLantern]

I think I saw that guy Kaine's name, it would be cool to see a movie version of him.

I have been thinking and I want to see Gambit throwdown with some toughguy...and just run his city! To see Gambit do that would be sick, I'm not even a fan of him but the bowstaff combined with kinetic powers...man...it'd be sweet.

oh guys has anyone heard about how Kelsey Grammer had a heart attack, he played Beast so I thought I'd bring it up.

 

[Deadpool87]

Oh God, I was afraid this might happen.

*deep cleansing sigh*

You wanna talk healthy? Healthy is to have a studio that genuinely cares about the fans of these characters rather than the financial bottom line. Healthy is for Marvel to be making these movies not Fox. Healthy is to have an X-men franchise where the X-men are not ALL Wolverine's side-kicks, and for that matter it would be healthier for all the comic book fans in the world to not have characters shoved down their throats like Wolverine is.

So, in this pretty much all around UNHEALTHY situation we find ourselves in, the relationship between Gambit and Deadpool fans should be as close knit now as it ever was, as I feel there are a lot of Gambit fans who like Deadpool and vice versa. I myself consider them my top 2 marvel characters but in all honesty I could never choose between them. Fact is, they don't care about these characters. They care that we care. And they will craft the story in such a way to facilitate the existance of both of them in the same time and space. This has been the story with all the X-men movies so far. But the existance of one character cannot be healthy or unhealthy to the story of a movie.

Only good/bad writing gets that honor.

Yeah, you do make a good point. I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. Well said.

 

[LadyVader]

Thank you. I dreaded this might happen, people start arguing over who 'deserves' to be in the movie more. The movie deserves to be the best movie it can be, but that responsability falls squarely on the cast and crew's shoulders. Fictional characters are fictional characters and they can be worked in the story perfectly well, if the writers have the chops to pull it off. Heck, i didn't like the fact that Arclight made it into X-men 3 instead of Gambit, but she actually served a function in that movie. Though it could be argued that if they used Gambit to his full power potential, he could've made the syringes blow up just by looking at them. Without the over dramatic hulkified power clap. But since X-men 3 proved to be such a stink fest, in the end I think it worked out best that Gambit stayed away from that.

 

[BMM]

oh guys has anyone heard about how Kelsey Grammer had a heart attack, he played Beast so I thought I'd bring it up.

Yeah, I heard about that this afternoon. Luckily, it wasn't fatal, and it sounds like he's recovering fairly well.

 

[xmangambit]

Gambit has a larger fan base, is much more well known, and has been in demand since the very first X-Movie.

Gambit!

 

[xmangambit]

You mean changes like killing off Cyclops and Xavier while having wolverine be the new leader?

Besides, he's already a part of Weapon x in the movie universe, remember stryker's files?



Gambit was second only to Wolverine's popularity in less than a year after he debuted. Think about that for a second. In about 10 months, Gambit became popular enough to beat out people like Nightcrawler, Colossus, Iceman, and Angel for a spot on TAS.

It's been nearly 20 years and half of those have been horrible for Gambit, but guess what? He still ranked #1 in all three of the polls wizard magazine ran to see who fans wanted in the X-films the most.

Bravo my man, nicely put

 

[Lebeau]

I think the suggestion that sticking Gambit in will boost movie attendances is a ridiculous reason for giving him a bigger role. How many ****e comics did we see circulate in the 90's with 'Special Guest...GAMBIT/WOLVERINE' stapled on the front to push circulation. Stories went down the gurgler, so they tacked on some popular characters to make them appealing on the magazine stands.

This success of this movie will be about story...you need to draw the critics into a comicbook film in the same was as Iron Man did to get it largescale credibility and roll on sales. It needs to be a movie that's accessible by more than just action fans and the comic book kingdom. Thus, you use relevant characters. Gambit is a mutant with no link to Weapon X...it's awesome that they're using him in some way, maybe he helps Wolverine out at some stage...but Deadpool is Weapon X bred, more relevant and a far better way of weeding him into the storyline successfully.

Pushing Gambit because he was popular is a weak idea and is one of the reasons X3 suffered...Angel, Beast, etc were there to get people to see the film yet did very little for it. I'd hope that the producers, writers and director of this film are smarter than that.

 

[Angamb]

Lebeau, what do you think is the main reason Gambit is in this movie?

 

[Lebeau]

Lebeau, what do you think is the main reason Gambit is in this movie?

Haha, fan pressure.

I know what you're getting at, but this discussion is about whether Gambit or Deadpool is more healthy for the film. As far as the story is concerned, Deadpool is IMO.

I'm excited to see Gambit on screen, intrigued as to how they're going to work him in and concerned that they're going to give him a large role to the detriment of Wolverine/Weapon X's film.

 

[LadyVader]

I think the suggestion that sticking Gambit in will boost movie attendances is a ridiculous reason for giving him a bigger role. How many ****e comics did we see circulate in the 90's with 'Special Guest...GAMBIT/WOLVERINE' stapled on the front to push circulation. Stories went down the gurgler, so they tacked on some popular characters to make them appealing on the magazine stands.

This success of this movie will be about story...you need to draw the critics into a comicbook film in the same was as Iron Man did to get it largescale credibility and roll on sales. It needs to be a movie that's accessible by more than just action fans and the comic book kingdom. Thus, you use relevant characters. Gambit is a mutant with no link to Weapon X...it's awesome that they're using him in some way, maybe he helps Wolverine out at some stage...but Deadpool is Weapon X bred, more relevant and a far better way of weeding him into the storyline successfully.

Pushing Gambit because he was popular is a weak idea and is one of the reasons X3 suffered...Angel, Beast, etc were there to get people to see the film yet did very little for it. I'd hope that the producers, writers and director of this film are smarter than that.

Nothing is healthier or unhealthier for a story than the talent or lack thereof of it's team of writers. Any story can work, provided you work on it enough. And do we even know that Gambit is tied in any way with the Weapon X project? I think everybody is getting a bit carried away with this assumption.

In a movie franchise where Magneto tried to turn the whole of humanity into mutants, though he's always hated mutants. Where William Stryker is a general with a son with mind controlling powers not a preacher. Where Jean Gray wasn't the vessel for an omnipotent intergalactic entity, she was just bonkers. Where Juggernaut was not Xavier's brother. Where Xavier and Cyclops died like chumps... in this strange, mixed-up, totally unfamiliar movie universe...

Is it so wrong and unhealthy to have one character in there who may or may NOT be related to the Weapon X project? By that mentality, Beak may be the worst thing that ever happened to the Wolverine movie. This is just a silly debate to have. I've waited for so long to see Gambit in a movie and right after X-men 3 when I saw the disaster that it was, I just plain gave up on the idea all together. Now nobody asked for Gambit to be in a Wolverine movie. It just happened. I remember when I was in the X-men forums and people were bullying us into removing the Gambit thread because Gambit was not in the movie. Well now Gambit is in the movie and people are saying it is not a healthy addition, whatever that means! It just seems like BS to me! I'm not saying you're intentionally biased against the character. You may even like him, you just want a Weapon X movie. But to honestly expect after all this time for Fox to actually be faithul to the comic book history is a bit... like I said... silly!

 

[Doright]

I honestly have no opinion either way.
I think they are both just icing on the cake.

People will go to see a Wolverine film, simple as that. Sure fans of those other characters may find some cool factor in their being there but in the end no one will going to Wolverines movie just to see Gambit or Deadpool.

 

[LadyVader]

Oh I think they will. I think I count myself amongst them.

Other than Gambit and Deadpool, I'll go because I happen to like Hugh Jackman, Liev Schreiber and Dominic Monaghan. I think they're all great actors, but I really don't care that much about Wolverine because I know no matter what happens, the movie is going to be succesful.

 

[iamlegend]

Is it so wrong and unhealthy to have one character in there who may or may NOT be related to the Weapon X project?

You know, if they don't make Gambit a movie-verse part of Weapon X (because it could really go either way... they can change whatever they want) I've stated before that he'd make an ideal sidekick/partner for Logan when Wolverine inevitably duels most of the Weapon X team at large.

 

[LadyVader]

It'd be so ironic if Gambit is like a kid Wolverine rescues from Sabretooth and then kinda gets attached to him like he got attached to Rogue.

 

[Angamb]

oh god, imagine if there is a younger Gambit yet, and then 10 years later they meet again, or something like that, hehe.