The Force Awakens General Star Wars Episode VII News/Speculation/SPOILER Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 34

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[DarthSkywalker]

[BLACKOUT]They're just upset about Hannibal's cancellation still. [/BLACKOUT]

We all are Snow, we all are.

 

[DarthMuppet]

Finn is the one that "has that power too."

Nope, DarthSkywalker is right. Finn may be force sensitive, but [blackout]Rey[/blackout] is the one the line is referring to. After Finn ignites Luke's old saber, [blackout]Kylo basically mops the forest floor with him. Just before Kylo is able to deliver a killing blow, Rey accepts her destiny and uses Luke's saber to save Finn and fight Kylo herself(the beginning of this fight was depicted in one of the leaked pieces of concept art). Unlike Finn though, Rey IS able to hold her own in the fight, with Kylo only getting away when the terrain starts to collapse. Also, at the end of the film, Rey is the one who travels in the falcon to find Luke, present the saber to him, and become his apprentice, not Finn.[/blackout]

 

[WC Avengers]

I am holding out hope for Finn being a Jedi and force aware.

Spoiler

It looks like the battle with REN and Finn will have FINN using a Saber. However, if he doesn't have a blaster and he has this saber in his hand, what the heck was he supposed to do? Throw rocks?

Regardless, as long as they don't pull the midachlorian (sp) crap with REY and FINN and keep it mystical and unknown I will be happy.

 

[Black Dynamite]

Spoiler

Finn is probably part of the group that the force awakens in. The cards are based off what is happening in episode 7 not 8 or 9. His arc will prob be that he becomes a jedi by the end of episode 9. He will prob go from storm trooper to jedi.

 

[kickass]

I'm sorry, but what? Regarding showing "grief"

Spoiler

Some of you are telling me it's odd if Chewbacca and Leia, who have been friends with Han for many years - Chewbacca even more so - are depicted as showing grief for his death? Because that doesn't sound like a "Star Wars" movie to you? Are all Star Wars movies supposed to follow an exact formula as a safety net, I'm curious? And perhaps my suggestion of showing Chewbacca in a fit of anger ripping a room a part may not be what some would like to see, but are we not talking about the same character(s) here? Chewbacca is a beast of an imposing figure, with a loyalty to Han 100%. He cried out in pain when Han was dipped into carbonite and later was all over him hugging him tightly when reunited in the next film.

If Chewbacca (or Leia) show signs of sadness for a couple of shots and then that's it - that would be stupid. I cannot believe any writer or director making a Star Wars film that kills off Han would glide over such a subject ever so lightly. I'm not asking for 5 minutes of screen time dedicated to everyone crying their eyes out. But common sense dictates a simple "look at my face, I look sad....(5 seconds later) Oh well, on to the next film!" would just be bad bad bad.

 

[Broseph44]

I'm sorry, but what? Regarding showing "grief"

Spoiler

Some of you are telling me it's odd if Chewbacca and Leia, who have been friends with Han for many years - Chewbacca even more so - are depicted as showing grief for his death? Because that doesn't sound like a "Star Wars" movie to you? Are all Star Wars movies supposed to follow an exact formula as a safety net, I'm curious? And perhaps my suggestion of showing Chewbacca in a fit of anger ripping a room a part may not be what some would like to see, but are we not talking about the same character(s) here? Chewbacca is a beast of an imposing figure, with a loyalty to Han 100%. He cried out in pain when Han was dipped into carbonite and later was all over him hugging him tightly when reunited in the next film.

If Chewbacca (or Leia) show signs of sadness for a couple of shots and then that's it - that would be stupid. I cannot believe any writer or director making a Star Wars film that kills off Han would glide over such a subject ever so lightly. I'm not asking for 5 minutes of screen time dedicated to everyone crying their eyes out. But common sense dictates a simple "look at my face, I look sad....(5 seconds later) Oh well, on to the next film!" would just be bad bad bad.

What are you rambling on about now

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am holding out hope for Finn being a Jedi and force aware.

Spoiler

It looks like the battle with REN and Finn will have FINN using a Saber. However, if he doesn't have a blaster and he has this saber in his hand, what the heck was he supposed to do? Throw rocks?

Regardless, as long as they don't pull the midachlorian (sp) crap with REY and FINN and keep it mystical and unknown I will be happy.

Finn becoming a Jedi or being Force sensitive is completely different then him being the one Luke is talking about in TFA trailer. That speech is clearly intended or a Skywalker imo. After all, those words come from a scene where Luke reveals to Leia they are related.

Spoiler

Finn chases after Kylo by himself apparently. Enraged about what happens with Han. Kylo defeats him and then Rey shows up, takes the lightsaber and duels Kylo. Something happens to the terrain, and Kylo is "dispatched". Chewie picks up the pair, they head back to the base. The droids figure out where Luke is, Rey says her goodbyes, and leaves with the lightsaber. She then returns it to Luke.

Pretty clear imo who is the one with the big destiny here. The lightsaber goes through a lot to get to Rey, but once she takes it, it is where it suppose to be. That is why it gets back to Luke.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm sorry, but what? Regarding showing "grief"

Spoiler

Some of you are telling me it's odd if Chewbacca and Leia, who have been friends with Han for many years - Chewbacca even more so - are depicted as showing grief for his death? Because that doesn't sound like a "Star Wars" movie to you? Are all Star Wars movies supposed to follow an exact formula as a safety net, I'm curious? And perhaps my suggestion of showing Chewbacca in a fit of anger ripping a room a part may not be what some would like to see, but are we not talking about the same character(s) here? Chewbacca is a beast of an imposing figure, with a loyalty to Han 100%. He cried out in pain when Han was dipped into carbonite and later was all over him hugging him tightly when reunited in the next film.

If Chewbacca (or Leia) show signs of sadness for a couple of shots and then that's it - that would be stupid. I cannot believe any writer or director making a Star Wars film that kills off Han would glide over such a subject ever so lightly. I'm not asking for 5 minutes of screen time dedicated to everyone crying their eyes out. But common sense dictates a simple "look at my face, I look sad....(5 seconds later) Oh well, on to the next film!" would just be bad bad bad.

Spoiler

You can show grief without going over the top with it. Star Wars isn't that kind of franchise. Consider how this movie ends. Kylo kills Han, Finn battles Kylo, loses and then Rey accepts her destiny, picks up the saber and duels Kylo. Kylo is defeated, the group comes together back at the base, Rey says her goodbyes, leaves and returns the lightsaber to Luke.

There will be grieving, but they aren't going to stop the movie stone dead for some huge grieving process imo. That isn't how Star Wars movies are paced and the movie is suppose to end on a upbeat note. Namely the return of Luke and Rey accepting her destiny.

Leia will feel Han's death through the Force, Finn will be enraged and you see how Chewie and Rey look. Han will have a noble death, saving the woman he loves. He will get his due, but in a poignant, Star Wars way imo.

 

[Broseph44]

Spoiler

You can show grief without going over the top with it. Star Wars isn't that kind of franchise. Consider how this movie ends. Kylo kills Han, Finn battles Kylo, loses and then Rey accepts her destiny, picks up the saber and duels Kylo. Kylo is defeated, the group comes together back at the base, Rey says her goodbyes, leaves and returns the lightsaber to Luke.

There will be grieving, but they aren't going to stop the movie stone dead for some huge grieving process imo. That isn't how Star Wars movies are paced and the movie is suppose to end on a upbeat note. Namely the return of Luke and Rey accepting her destiny.

Leia will feel Han's death through the Force, Finn will be enraged and you see how Chewie and Rey look. Han will have a noble death, saving the woman he loves. He will get his due, but in a poignant, Star Wars way imo.

Darth you need to stop making sense and saying everything so perfectly. Damn you!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Darth you need to stop making sense and saying everything so perfectly. Damn you!

Snow Queen is rubbing off on me.

 

[Loki882]

Except that not ALL SW movies have to be paced the same way. The fact that they haven't done something in the past does NOT mean that they cannot do it now. I've never subscribe to the notion that "well it's always been this way in the past, so we cannot change it up now." Yes, you can and you should, it keeps things fresh.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Except that not ALL SW movies have to be paced the same way. The fact that they haven't done something in the past does NOT mean that they cannot do it now. I've never subscribe to the notion that "well it's always been this way in the past, so we cannot change it up now." Yes, you can and you should, it keeps things fresh.

While doing different things is always good, when you change the fundamental style of something I think it stops being what it is. If you are making a Star Wars movie, I want it to be a Star Wars movie. The anthology movies are where the experimental Star Wars films should be imo.

 

[DKDetective]

Spoiler

You can show grief without going over the top with it. Star Wars isn't that kind of franchise. Consider how this movie ends. Kylo kills Han, Finn battles Kylo, loses and then Rey accepts her destiny, picks up the saber and duels Kylo. Kylo is defeated, the group comes together back at the base, Rey says her goodbyes, leaves and returns the lightsaber to Luke.

There will be grieving, but they aren't going to stop the movie stone dead for some huge grieving process imo. That isn't how Star Wars movies are paced and the movie is suppose to end on a upbeat note. Namely the return of Luke and Rey accepting her destiny.

Leia will feel Han's death through the Force, Finn will be enraged and you see how Chewie and Rey look. Han will have a noble death, saving the woman he loves. He will get his due, but in a poignant, Star Wars way imo.

Quick question, Darth,

Spoiler

What do you mean by "noble death, saving the woman he loves"? I don't recall the second part anywhere in the MSW reports, at least not overtly discussed. My understanding was that Han's choice to come out and face Kylo is still shrouded in mystery. It's been a while since I looked that the reports, so I might be missing something. But from what I recall there isn't a direct link between Han's death and Leia's safety...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Quick question, Darth,

Spoiler

What do you mean by "noble death, saving the woman he loves"? I don't recall the second part anywhere in the MSW reports, at least not overtly discussed. My understanding was that Han's choice to come out and face Kylo is still shrouded in mystery. It's been a while since I looked that the reports, so I might be missing something. But from what I recall there isn't a direct link between Han's death and Leia's safety...

No problem.

Spoiler

When MSW did their three act breakdown they mentioned it.

The mission Han and the others are on is to destroy the Super weapon connected to the Starkiller base. That is their main objective being there. When Han steps out and confronts Kylo, it is while they are setting the charges. His intervention with Kylo seems to allow them to finish the job. So when Hux aims the super weapon at Leia's base, it is destroyed before it can kill her and the Resistance.

Think the Death Star situations in both Star Wars and Return of the Jedi.

I'll see if I can find the article. It is from a while ago, but I found it rather exciting read. That part stuck out to me as new info.

 

[Solidus]

No problem.

Spoiler

When MSW did their three act breakdown they mentioned it.

The mission Han and the others are on is to destroy the Super weapon connected to the Starkiller base. That is their main objective being there. When Han steps out and confronts Kylo, it is while they are setting the charges. His intervention with Kylo seems to allow them to finish the job. So when Hux aims the super weapon at Leia's base, it is destroyed before it can kill her and the Resistance.

Think the Death Star situations in both Star Wars and Return of the Jedi.

I'll see if I can find the article. It is from a while ago, but I found it rather exciting read. That part stuck out to me as new info.

Spoiler

To add to that, Chewie is the one that saves the day twice. He detonates the charges after Han's death blowing up the Starkiller base. Then saves the kids with the Falcon at the end. I always do recommend to listen to the podcast's of theirs when those descriptions of each of the acts came out. Even though it's hard to get through their podcast sometimes they throw a few more details around.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Spoiler

To add to that, Chewie is the one that saves the day twice. He detonates the charges after Han's death blowing up the Starkiller base. Then saves the kids with the Falcon at the end. I always do recommend to listen to the podcast's of theirs when those descriptions of each of the acts came out. Even though it's hard to get through their podcast sometimes they throw a few more details around.

I honestly gave up on the podcast. The vibe was getting a bit too hostile for me, and they spend quite a bit of time thinking they are really funny. Which they sometimes are, but it became a bit of slough. Also, their podcast are messed up on itunes. The time is inaccurate and it makes it impossible to pause, fast forward and resume.

 

[Solidus]

I honestly gave up on the podcast. The vibe was getting a bit too hostile for me, and they spend quite a bit of time thinking they are really funny. Which they sometimes are, but it because a bit of slough. Also, their podcast are messed up on itunes. The time is inaccurate and it makes it impossible to pause, fast forward and resume.

It's a terrible podcast haha. I won't lie. They have a very hostile/living in a bubble kind of vibe. There is no denying that. I just meant listen to some of the spoiler section when big news is released. But other than that I avoid it. I mainly just like to listen to Collider once in a while, and Hello Greedo, which I wish he would do a podcast.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's a terrible podcast haha. I won't lie. They have a very hostile/living in a bubble kind of vibe. There is no denying that. I just meant listen to some of the spoiler section when big news is released. But other than that I avoid it. I mainly just like to listen to Collider once in a while, and Hello Greedo, which I wish he would do a podcast.

I like Hello Greedo as well.

I'd listen to their spoiler sections, but the podcast just aren't encoded well on itunes. I can't pause them or I lose my place. It would be fine if they were short, but they aren't. Most of the time they are rather long and thus go all over the place.

 

[Solidus]

I like Hello Greedo as well.

I'd listen to their spoiler sections, but the podcast just aren't encoded well on itunes. I can't pause them or I lose my place. It would be fine if they were short, but they aren't. Most of the time they are rather long and thus go all over the place.

I know, some of them have lasted up to 4 hours. Half of it is them giggling about some inside joke that no one gets. Jason's voice is not really a radio voice either. Very nasal heavy voice.

However I will give MSW the fact that they have a direct line to most of the spoilers that we have received. They do have some good connections.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I know, some of them have lasted up to 4 hours. Half of it is them giggling about some inside joke that no one gets. Jason's voice is not really a radio voice either. Very nasal heavy voice.

However I will give MSW the fact that they have a direct line to most of the spoilers that we have received. They do have some good connections.

I think they are good people, but they take any attack against them really badly imo. I know they can take some real crap from the posters over at TFN, but I don't like how they lump so many people together.

 

[Solidus]

Agreed.

 

[DKDetective]

No problem.

Spoiler

When MSW did their three act breakdown they mentioned it.

The mission Han and the others are on is to destroy the Super weapon connected to the Starkiller base. That is their main objective being there. When Han steps out and confronts Kylo, it is while they are setting the charges. His intervention with Kylo seems to allow them to finish the job. So when Hux aims the super weapon at Leia's base, it is destroyed before it can kill her and the Resistance.

Think the Death Star situations in both Star Wars and Return of the Jedi.

I'll see if I can find the article. It is from a while ago, but I found it rather exciting read. That part stuck out to me as new info.

Thanks! I recall that now. I didn't realize that was what you were referring to because it just seemed like more of a general big damn hero moment, saving everyone.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

Nope, DarthSkywalker is right. Finn may be force sensitive, but [blackout]Rey[/blackout] is the one the line is referring to. After Finn ignites Luke's old saber, [blackout]Kylo basically mops the forest floor with him. Just before Kylo is able to deliver a killing blow, Rey accepts her destiny and uses Luke's saber to save Finn and fight Kylo herself(the beginning of this fight was depicted in one of the leaked pieces of concept art). Unlike Finn though, Rey IS able to hold her own in the fight, with Kylo only getting away when the terrain starts to collapse. Also, at the end of the film, Rey is the one who travels in the falcon to find Luke, present the saber to him, and become his apprentice, not Finn.[/blackout]

I'm 100% down with this being so!!!