Ghost Rider (Vol 2) Discussion / Dan Ketch

[NDX]

I stopped reading about 5 or 6 issues before the revamped suit. When I finally picked up all the back issues in 2001, I was shocked, flabbergasted, and, well, I laughed my ass off for about a week when I saw the outfit. Man, that was funny to see.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

That's just *****ing ******ed. Why even give him the book if he doesnt know what's happened to any of the characters in the last 20 years? GR is one of my favorite characters of all time and to see his continuity just plain ignored on the verge of the characters biggest hype and popularity EVER pisses me off to no end. Anyone else share the same feelings?

I'm with you. Which is why i boycotted this series, and the series before it. And Frank Cho's Shanna The She Devil.

Continuity is what made Marvel great, and set it apart and above its Distinguished Competition. Now, the current group of retarts supposedly in charge at Marvel treat continuity like its a dirty word.

Well, **** 'em. I'm not going to support ANY book given to lazy so called "writers" who cant be bothered to honor and respect the history of Marvel that came before them.

Instead, i'll support creators like Dan Slott and Rob Kirkman who actually CARE about fans and Marvel's wonderful universe.

And maybe, as DC comics continues to dominate the top ten more and more, month after month, the Joe Quesadas and Dan Buckleys, and Garth Ennis' will just.....go away.

 

[Dan Ketch]

^^ Amen brother I hear I hear you! Just the absurdaty of the quote is what pissed me off, he didnt read it so it doesnt count. That's like Marvel putting a writer on Spider-Man that didnt realize Gwen Stacy had died so she's just back for no reason with no explaination as to why or how...It makes me mad!!

 

[Riding Ghost]

I've recently reread the entire run of the Dan Ketch Ghost Rider and I can see why they canceled it, the series started making a slow decline after issue 50 and starting taking a nose dive when Ivan Velez took over on the book and then with Pop Mahn, the gay "updated" costume and the ridiculous and uninteresting storylines of the last 20 issues or so

I think that is a fair assessment of the situation.
valez/mahn were double death knells for the book.

 

[Riding Ghost]

Continuity is what made Marvel great, and set it apart and above its Distinguished Competition. Now, the current group of retarts supposedly in charge at Marvel treat continuity like its a dirty word.

I agree with you 1000% on that. Although I've always thought that Vol2 GR was a symptom of that problem not a victim.

 

[Hellstormer]

-something was here, but now it's dead-

 

[Hellstormer]

I liked Ketch and I think the only reason he gets a bad rep is because people were attached to Blaze (and maybe that God-awful suit) but I like Dan (GR) and Blaze Teaming up I thought it gave it a Obi-Wan and Anikan vibe. And the fact that this is the third mini (Hammerlane and Supernaturals) that doesn't even mention Dan really pisses me off.

This is true.. but the big problem I have with ANOTHER teenage kid, with his alter ego making his college life problematic is that he sounds to much like frickin' spider-dork. I liked the Ketch series but he really had no business being GR. I would rather him had been 13-15 year old, BMX racer that transformed to GR. At least there would be some connection to a bike.

That's a cool idea for like Ultimate Ghost Rider.

 

[FlameHead]

The HammerLane just pisses me off... in it's entirety.

 

[Bealsebub]

Wow.

I loved the work that Ivan velez put into GR. He made me care about a one note character.

Did anyone see Adam Pollina's concept artwork for the new costume? (Yes, he was the one that redesigned it). It was beautiful. An outfit composed entirely of hellfire, and that's how it looked when he drew it. not neon. Fire. He should've been the artist on the book. Then, maybe, people would've understood what was happening.

I wonder what was planned for #94.I looked for that issue forever before I learn that marvel never released it to begin with.

And most importantly, does anyone have a cover scan of #92 of this series? I need to find a copy but would like to know what it looks like first, to help.

-D

 

[theescapeclause]

I wonder what was planned for #94.I looked for that issue forever before I learn that marvel never released it to begin with.

And most importantly, does anyone have a cover scan of #92 of this series? I need to find a copy but would like to know what it looks like first, to help.

-D

The script for 94 is floating around on the net. Vengeance Unbound had it, but that site has been MIA for months. Try google. As for a scan of #92, check out www.comicspriceguide.com.

 

[NDX]

Issue 92 cover - http://mrlcomics.com/ghost_rider_vol2_covers/ghost_rider_vol2_cover_92.jpg

I would tell you to avoid issue 94 at all costs. It was the worst dribble I read since I started reading comics (which says a lot). It wasn't closure, it was nausea.

 

[FlameHead]

The script for 94 is floating around on the net. Vengeance Unbound had it, but that site has been MIA for months. Try google. As for a scan of #92, check out www.comicspriceguide.com.

Unfortuntly, VU is down at the moment but, I do have a pic of what the cover for 94 would have been...

 

[Gamma Warrior]

I mean, Road to Damnation was pretty good, and This current ongoing by Daniel Way is even better, but they would have to do something really special for it to top Ketch GR...

 

[Joker]

Ketch's GR was NEVER the best. The Blaze version has always been vastly superior.

 

[Gamma Warrior]

You wouldn't think so. On just about every board I run across people love the ketch Gr and alweays say Blaze was okay. It's a matter of opinion. But either way, I believe that series was better written...

 

[BIGGUN]

So far nothing has beaten the final issues of the original GR #68-83. Ketch was good and had better villains but the story and characters were not nearly as well written as the final Blaze issues. but then again there was more empahsis on story and characters than art back in those days

 

[Gamma Warrior]

So far nothing has beaten the final issues of the original GR #68-83. Ketch was good and had better villains but the story and characters were not nearly as well written as the final Blaze issues. but then again there was more empahsis on story and characters than art back in those days

So you Like Blaze more than Ketch?

 

[BIGGUN]

So you Like Blaze more than Ketch?

yup...Blaze to me was a more interesting character. the 70s GR read more like a classic horror story. slowly but surely the demon was becoming more dominant as the series progressed. that was always the main theme of the book from about the mid 20s or so. they got away from the superhero aspect and moved to a more horror themed storyline.
dont get me wrong i still like the Ketch series....it had a good deal of improvements over the 70s series but they just didnt have the same kind of character development as the Blaze series did. if the Ketch series kept the aspect of him becoming more addicted to actually becoming GR that would have been cool.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Now in retrospect, I liked Ketch's powers more but Blaze's story is overall more interesting. Which I guess is why the current incarnation is the best of both worlds.

 

[Joker]

Indeed...although the only things I think Ketch had over Blaze at all were his costume and the penance stare...Blaze used chains, didnt he? I cant remember and I'm too lazy to look it up right now. If not, that's another thing Ketch had Blaze didnt...But I always liked the shooting hellfire thing Blaze did, that was pretty cool. And his bike was better looking.

 

[kore4life95]

Hands down everyone that breathes ghost Rider knows that Daniel ketch was born to be a host of the Spirit Of Vengeance, but no only a host but by far the best one to date.

 

[Joker]

Hands down everyone that breathes ghost Rider knows that Daniel ketch was born to be a host of the Spirit Of Vengeance, but no only a host but by far the best one to date.

You're in the minority on these boards

 

[RabidWolfe]

It's not that tough.

While the first 25 issues or so of the Ketch series were very well done, the final issues of Blaze's initial run were hands down brillant, especially the Circus of Crime arc.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I started with the Ketch series, and it was the Ketch series that drew me into the character. If it wasn't for the Ketch series I wouldn't have admired Blazes run that much. I loved the enemies and the darker storylines, but I became desenchanted right after the "No Penance" storyline when Velez Jr went a completely different direction on the character.

After that point, I really did not like his team ups with that Duck guy, his silly Mcdonalds orange and yellow costume, and the entire Noble Kale arc that totally spit in the face of Howard Mackie's built up story line of the Blood and the ancient (and still mysterious) Midnight Sons, and their battle against Zarathos.

The new series that Way is writing has so much to give thanks to the 90s series: Most Notably, Javiar Saltaires, Mark Texeira, Ghost Rider's Leather Look, and not to mention the established fan base of the 90s series, which includes me, .

 

[NDX]

Howard the Duck was the best and most pointless guest star ever.

Okay, so Valez, Jr.'s run completely ruined what made Ghost Rider entertaining and added a numerous amount of 1970s guest stars that had no reason to be revived.

I grew up on the Ketch series, and never really read anything about the Blaze series (the occassional reprint, not the Rides Again series, though). I finished the Essential Vol. 1 and I can't wait for 2 because that beginning of the character was so damn well done, and I want to see how the series progressed.

But still lean towards the Ketch since that is where my love the flaming skull came from.