Ghost Rider 2 - reboot with Dan Ketch?

[protocida]

I Don't think the would be sucesefull on TV.

 

[chiefchirpa]

TV or straight to DVD is better gamble than movie.

 

[tyler-durden]

I wonder of Nic Cage would ever do a DTV sequel to one of his movies. I liked NIc Cage in the role, but the director went in the wrong direction with many of the characters like Blackheart.

 

[Spade]

We don't need Nic Cage back. For that matter, MSJ can stay far away as well. We just need someone who understands that Daniel Ketch is what made the character worthwhile, so we can get a serious horror film from Marvel the second time around.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Keep Blaze & Cage but have a new good writer. GR 1 wasn't horrible but it wasn't as good as could of been.

 

[protocida]

Keep Blaze.

Ketch can wait.

 

[Spade]

If they keep Blaze as played by Nic Cage, this sequel will have an even harder time trying to establish itself as something different. At this point, Blaze's origin and Cage's on-screen performance go up there with the biggest complaints from the first. There's no reason to bring back those issues.

 

[protocida]

For me:

Ghost Rider/Johnny Blaze - Nicholas Cage.
Roxxane Simpson - Eva Mendez.
Caretaker - Sam Neill.
Mephistopoles - Peter Fonda.
Scarecrow - Doug Jones.
Kazaam - Voice of Clancy Brown.

 

[DoomRulz]

We don't need Nic Cage back. For that matter, MSJ can stay far away as well. We just need someone who understands that Daniel Ketch is what made the character worthwhile, so we can get a serious horror film from Marvel the second time around.

I.e. Howard Mackie

 

[tyler-durden]

who's Kazaam? I don't mean the raping genie either.

 

[dpm07]

Keep Johnny Blaze and Nicholas Cage in the lead role.

 

[tyler-durden]

thank you, he did a good job, the director should be changed and the writers can be changed but keep Cage as Blaze

 

[protocida]

Kazaan is a demon made of parts of humans, awake by a homicidal businessman in a recent story.

 

[tyler-durden]

that's kind of like frankenstein in a sense, He sounds to be cool, Anybody have pics of him?

 

[Matt]

Yes, reboot. One of the biggest problem with Ghost Rider is Nic Cage's character is ridiculously younger than the actor. The character based on his dialogue, the age of Eva Mendes, the time that seems to have past, etc, can be no older than his early to mid 30s yet Nic Cage appears to be no younger than his later 40s to early 50s. Any time he makes a reference to his age "I'd like to be a police officer when I grow up" for example, it just completely pulls you out of the movie and breaks the suspension of disbelief.

Recast with Dan Ketch. Or just don't make another Ghost Rider movie. Seriously, the character from conception on is stuck in the 80s. If you want to make a Ghost Rider movie relevant today you need to entirely reboot. The whole leather jacket with chain wearing, motorcycle riding anti-hero is just such an 80s concept and doesn't really click with modern audiences.

 

[Reaper]

At this point, Blaze's origin and Cage's on-screen performance go up there with the biggest complaints from the first. There's no reason to bring back those issues.

A reboot would be a nightmare.
And what is the problem with the origin? I can see problems with some of the acting and execution of certain scenes, but the origin?? A guy makes a deal with the devil to save his fathers life and gets screwed. Whats so crazy about that??? Its a great origin and lends itself to great possibilities in stories......its certainly better and more plausible than any of the many ketch origins as well as the current screw-a-roo they've added to blazes origin in the current comic.

 

[Reaper]

The whole leather jacket with chain wearing, motorcycle riding anti-hero is just such an 80s concept and doesn't really click with modern audiences.

The kids sure seem to dig(<----70's slang) it. The movie was very well received among the younger audiences, despite your quote. It seems to me that the tight cloth/spandex wearing heroes would be a much much more tired concept than leather and chains for a fiery skeleton.
I think your equating the leather, to the metal music of the 80's, which really isn't a comparable thing with Ghost rider. Perhaps you'd prefer him with some gold teeth, a fur coat and some huge gaudy gold chains to bring him more current t:

 

[DoomRulz]

Recast with Dan Ketch. Or just don't make another Ghost Rider movie. Seriously, the character from conception on is stuck in the 80s. If you want to make a Ghost Rider movie relevant today you need to entirely reboot. The whole leather jacket with chain wearing, motorcycle riding anti-hero is just such an 80s concept and doesn't really click with modern audiences.

It's actually a 90s thing, that's where the image came from. Howard Mackie said so on the DVD extras b/c at that time Harley's weren't as popular so a tight race bike was more appropriate and the image of leather and chains helped to strengthen GR's character. It portrayed him as a hard-hitter.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hey guys, just got back from Melbourne, Australia and saw loads of locations were GR was filmed, saw the bridge he rides to the top of during the police chase, the building he rides up and the bridge were he saves that goth chick from the robber and uses the Penance Stare for the first time, it was pretty cool seeing all of these locations up close.

 

[protocida]

I Would find a pic, Tyler, but you would be capable of understanding it. The drawer made impossible to kno what is what.

 

[Spade]

A guy makes a deal with the devil to save his fathers life and gets screwed. Whats so crazy about that???

There's a difference between wanting to save somebody and making a deal with the Devil. When you want to help somebody, you're looking towards sources where the situation won't be made worse. In some cases, you look towards people of dubious record...it happens. But when a character makes a deal with Satan himself, there's no sympathy from the audience. It's common sense that you're going to be screwed over no matter what before you even make the deal, and when a character is stupid enough to sign on the dotted line anyways it's easy to dismiss the entire thing as stupid.

Prime example: The Tragical History of Doctor Faustus. I didn't feel a single shred of sympathy for Faustus when he made that pact with Lucifer. Mephistopheles acted as the audience by warning him on making a deal for any reason with the prince of devils, and still he wouldn't listen. Why should I feel sorry for his stupidity as he learns his lesson the hard way? What's worse is that it at least ended for Faustus with his eternal damnation...with Blaze, it's the cornerstone of his origin. That makes him more than just a flawed character. It makes him a joke of a hero.

So, like I said- working with Ketch in a reboot is a much better way of wiping away the disappointment that was the first film.

 

[DoomRulz]

There's a difference between wanting to save somebody and making a deal with the Devil. When you want to help somebody, you're looking towards sources where the situation won't be made worse. In some cases, you look towards people of dubious record...it happens. But when a character makes a deal with Satan himself, there's no sympathy from the audience. It's common sense that you're going to be screwed over no matter what before you even make the deal, and when a character is stupid enough to sign on the dotted line anyways it's easy to dismiss the entire thing as stupid.

Prime example: The Tragical History of Doctor Faustus. I didn't feel a single shred of sympathy for Faustus when he made that pact with Lucifer. Mephistopheles acted as the audience by warning him on making a deal for any reason with the prince of devils, and still he wouldn't listen. Why should I feel sorry for his stupidity as he learns his lesson the hard way? What's worse is that it at least ended for Faustus with his eternal damnation...with Blaze, it's the cornerstone of his origin. That makes him more than just a flawed character. It makes him a joke of a hero.

So, like I said- working with Ketch in a reboot is a much better way of wiping away the disappointment that was the first film.

Johnny eventually realized making a deal with the Devil was dumb though. Like he said in the film, he was a kid. He didn't know any better.

 

[Spade]

That it took a while is what's so flawed about him. For normal people, this would click instantly. An immortal personficiation of Evil approaching you with a deal (who apparently has the power to make his shadow look hella spooky) is the point where common sense overrides most character flaws. Age does not factor into this. Even small children would see the hints of something majorly wrong and GTFO out the same room. This isn't on the same scale as "Spidey being irresponsible" or "Bruce Banner developing a destructive mystery weapon." This is the king of all bad ideas.

It's even worse in the comics...at least MSJ's Johnny didn't try to summon Satan beforehand.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That it took a while is what's so flawed about him. For normal people, this would click instantly. An immortal personficiation of Evil approaching you with a deal (who apparently has the power to make his shadow look hella spooky) is the point where common sense overrides most character flaws. Age does not factor into this. Even small children would see the hints of something majorly wrong and GTFO out the same room. This isn't on the same scale as "Spidey being irresponsible" or "Bruce Banner developing a destructive mystery weapon." This is the king of all bad ideas.

It's even worse in the comics...at least MSJ's Johnny didn't try to summon Satan beforehand.

The reason it took a while for him to realise was because there were no repercussions or visits from the devil for years, also not to mention he turned away in the tent when the lightning revealed the devils true form.

 

[Reaper]

1- in the movie, he thought something was eerie but no indication he knew it was satan
2- in the movie, he didn't sign the dotted line, he just touched the contract to take a look at it
3- from your perspective, the movie did do it better than the comic
4- I didn't realize that the lead character had to illicit sympothy in order for the story to be ranked more than rubbish and even if thats true, the way it went down definately gave the vibe that he was tricked not that he made a conscience, stupid decision(like most people do everyday)
5- peter fonda rocked ass as mephisto...just wanted to throw that in there