Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) - Part 1

[redhawk23]

Didn't show New York or Washington getting crushed. That would have brought overseas folk out!

Washington actual is shown being destroyed. It's even in the trailer!

Hinrslttbthougj between these films, Pacifc Rim and Rampage it's pretty clear that the giant monsters genre is just far more niche than the studios might have predicted and maybe don't justify 175 million dollar budgets.

Much of this monster wave exists as the result if the personal tastes of Thomas Tull. He was ousted long ago at Legendary but much of their slate is still following from what he set up almost a decade ago.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Edwards outright said Godzilla would be like a natural disaster and the words he used were "the punishment we deserve."

Also, this Godzilla had really nothing to do with nuclear weapons or testing other than they tried to blow him up in the bikini atoll test in 1950s which did basically nothing.

 

[JimThompson]

Washington actual is shown being destroyed. It's even in the trailer!

Hinrslttbthougj between these films, Pacifc Rim and Rampage it's pretty clear that the giant monsters genre is just far more niche than the studios might have predicted and maybe don't justify 175 million dollar budgets.

Much of this monster wave exists as the result if the personal tastes of Thomas Tull. He was ousted long ago at Legendary but much of their slate is still following from what he set up almost a decade ago.

It is shown being destroyed as a quick shot. It is not the same thing as showing a couple of monsters spending some time wiping out Boston.

Anyway, I was mostly just being facetious.

 

[TheVileOne]

Except that's not the Godzilla we got. The Godzilla we got was the hero. If anything those words were more akin to the MUTO creatures, not Godzilla.

Godzilla in the film was a prehistoric apex predator who is not out for wanton destruction. He was there to kill the other monsters, and then he goes on his way. He doesn't go after the human cities. Even when attacked, he doesn't really target human military or buildings. He's only going after the enemy creatures.

Once Godzilla defeats the MUTOs, he's done and goes on his way. He doesn't hang around to continue wrecking ****.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Except that's not the Godzilla we got. The Godzilla we got was the hero. If anything those words were more akin to the MUTO creatures, not Godzilla.

Godzilla in the film was a prehistoric apex predator who is not out for wanton destruction. He was there to kill the other monsters, and then he goes on his way. He doesn't go after the human cities. Even when attacked, he doesn't really target human military or buildings. He's only going after the enemy creatures.

Once Godzilla defeats the MUTOs, he's done and goes on his way. He doesn't hang around to continue wrecking ****.

Vile, buddy, that's the joke.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well my point is this, Gareth Edwards is a very confused director and his 2014 movie is symbolic of his inexperience. I think what happened with Rogue One is symbolic with that as well.

I think he did bring some strong qualities to the 2014 movie. I like the overall look and aesthetic for it. However, the writing and direction of his actor leaves a lot to be desired.

Case in point, Edwards had no idea how to competently direct Ken Watanabe. He ****ing kills off Bryan Cranston before Godzilla even shows up. That's ****ing stupid. Think of how much better that movie is if you have Cranston's character as part of the narrative throughout the rest of the film.

 

[redhawk23]

Well my point is this, Gareth Edwards is a very confused director and his 2014 movie is symbolic of his inexperience. I think what happened with Rogue One is symbolic with that as well.

I think he did bring some strong qualities to the 2014 movie. I like the overall look and aesthetic for it. However, the writing and direction of his actor leaves a lot to be desired.

Case in point, Edwards had no idea how to competently direct Ken Watanabe. He ****ing kills off Bryan Cranston before Godzilla even shows up. That's ****ing stupid. Think of how much better that movie is if you have Cranston's character as part of the narrative throughout the rest of the film.

To be fair to Edward's in regards to Cranston, Edward's did not write the film. That whole first act up to Cranston desth was the result of script doctoring from Frank Darabont and holy hell can you practically see the different colored pages as it moves back to a different writers work after the sad dies. It's a weirdly hard cut off.

 

[TheVileOne]

To be fair to Edward's in regards to Cranston, Edward's did not write the film. That whole first act up to Cranston desth was the result of script doctoring from Frank Darabont and holy hell can you practically see the different colored pages as it moves back to a different writers work after the sad dies. It's a weirdly hard cut off.

Edwards was attached to the film since the beginning. How could he have not have had rewrites done or fixed this in production? It's not impossible. Obviously, the script doctoring did not do a good job.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well my point is this, Gareth Edwards is a very confused director and his 2014 movie is symbolic of his inexperience. I think what happened with Rogue One is symbolic with that as well.

I think he did bring some strong qualities to the 2014 movie. I like the overall look and aesthetic for it. However, the writing and direction of his actor leaves a lot to be desired.

Case in point, Edwards had no idea how to competently direct Ken Watanabe. He ****ing kills off Bryan Cranston before Godzilla even shows up. That's ****ing stupid. Think of how much better that movie is if you have Cranston's character as part of the narrative throughout the rest of the film.

I agree on Edwards. This is also why I don't think he has any projects lined up after making two profitable big budget films. He is a guy who can capture beautiful images, but his films aren't exactly the smartest. Which is again why I feel like LF performed some emergency surgery on Rogue One. Even then, outside of some truly bright moments, doesn't have a lot to its characters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Edwards was attached to the film since the beginning. How could he have not have had rewrites done or fixed this in production? It's not impossible. Obviously, the script doctoring did not do a good job.

It becomes a question of why they needed a script doctor in the first place imo.

 

[TheVileOne]

It becomes a question of why they needed a script doctor in the first place imo.

I think Edwards is good with visuals and aesthetics but as you said DarthSkywalker, he's not good at bringing a coherent story together.

 

[Sithborg]

Edwards was attached to the film since the beginning. How could he have not have had rewrites done or fixed this in production? It's not impossible. Obviously, the script doctoring did not do a good job.

Not all directors are all around directors. Edwards doesn't strike me as someone who is particularly skilled at the scripting stage. Exceptionally skilled at imagery, but he is not going to write the script.

I agree on Edwards. This is also why I don't think he has any projects lined up after making two profitable big budget films. He is a guy who can capture beautiful images, but his films aren't exactly the smartest. Which is again why I feel like LF performed some emergency surgery on Rogue One. Even then, outside of some truly bright moments, doesn't have a lot to its characters.

Why do you have issue with Edward's own explanation, which was the back to back filming of blockbusters was overwhelming to him. It is also explains why someone was helping with reshoots. I do hope he returns to directing someday.

 

[TheVileOne]

That could also just be a fancy excuse.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think Edwards is good with visuals and aesthetics but as you said DarthSkywalker, he's not good at bringing a coherent story together.

His movies feel very early drafty because of this. I also think it is telling that a lot of reshoots ofr Rogue One were basically extending one sequence so that a lot of it happens in doors. Because he wasted a lot of money shooting on the beach and they weren't going to let him do that again.

Sad thing is because of that, we lost one of the coolest locations in the movie, as they had to shutdown a whole train station to film it.

 

[Sithborg]

shrug

From what Edward's has said, it sounds real to me. I mean, he is a white man with two successful movies. Lets not kid ourselves that he is blacklisted or something.

 

[TheVileOne]

I would've really liked to have seen how the original sequence might've played out. But then again, my ending would've been to have Vader kill off Cassian and Jyn.

Also, I remember being really disappointed the Tie Fighter shot from the Rogue One trailer was not in the final film. That was literally the coolest and most intriguing shot in the trailer. I wanted to see that play out so badly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why do you have issue with Edward's own explanation, which was the back to back filming of blockbusters was overwhelming to him. It is also explains why someone was helping with reshoots. I do hope he returns to directing someday.

I think he is a cool dude, and he gave me some of my favorite shots in Star Wars. But what he got done should have gave him a blank check to do whatever he wants. And he doesn't have that. At the same time, it seems like they wanted to replace him on Godzilla and they brought in someone else to "help" with Rogue One. He could be telling the truth, but something doesn't smell right about it imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

shrug

From what Edward's has said, it sounds real to me. I mean, he is a white man with two successful movies. Lets not kid ourselves that he is blacklisted or something.

Oh I don't think he is blacklisted. I just don't think he is the easiest to work with. And that has nothing to do with his attitude. He just doesn't seem strong at putting together a narrative or making interesting characters while film.

 

[Sithborg]

I think he is a cool dude, and he gave me some of my favorite shots in Star Wars. But what he got done should have gave him a blank check to do whatever he wants. And he doesn't have that. At the same time, it seems like they wanted to replace him on Godzilla and they brought in someone else to "help" with Rogue One. He could be telling the truth, but something doesn't smell right about it imo.

Edwards describes something I have gone through before, so again, his reasoning has a ring of truth to it. Along with the need for help to finish Rogue One.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I would've really liked to have seen how the original sequence might've played out. But then again, my ending would've been to have Vader kill off Cassian and Jyn.

Also, I remember being really disappointed the Tie Fighter shot from the Rogue One trailer was not in the final film. That was literally the coolest and most intriguing shot in the trailer. I wanted to see that play out so badly.

I am pretty sure the original ending had Vader kill at least Krennic. Not sure about Jyn and Cassian, but I always thought they should of just had them in that hallway. I get that they wanted people enjoying their Vader moment, but it didn't fit the story imo. As to how it originally played out, it is kind of easy to see once you break down the early footage. The group stole the plans (much quicker), they ran through the cellbock as all hell broke loose and war started out on the beach. Then they'd have to cross a huge amount of terrain to get to the relay, which was on another small island. They'd either all die there or some would have made it to the hallway of death. Krennic was originally suppose to get off the planet, and his Death Troopers were suppose to be actually useful, trying to stop the Rogue One crew.

Edwards I think said he shot that Tie shot, but never intended to put it in the movie. Which is really bizarre to me.

 

[TheVileOne]

Personally, I think Legendary was irked that Edwards jumped right to Star Wars after Godzilla. I doubt they expected that. It seemed like they wanted him back for the sequel or back after Star Wars. Never happened.

I mean it took five years to make the Godzilla sequel.

 

[Luigi]

Favorite action sequence was definitely the "birth" of Rodan. It was so thrilling in IMAX.

Spoiler

Needed WAY more Mothra.

 

[TheVileOne]

I thought Rodan looked awesome here and so did Ghidorah. Those were my favorite updated designs, even more than Godzilla.

When Rodan spins though I can just imagine the MST3K line, "Let's try spinning, that's a good trick!"

 

[Binker]

Still don't understand the RT score and critics badmouthing it. I mean what did you expect? What do you want? This movie was great. Nothing bad they've said is in the movie, tbh.

As much as I'm curious about that, I'm concerned over its BO.

 

[Kuwolski]

Still don't understand the RT score and critics badmouthing it. I mean what did you expect? What do you want? This movie was great. Nothing bad they've said is in the movie, tbh.

As much as I'm curious about that, I'm concerned over its BO

Not the kind of disaster film they were aiming for.