Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) - Part 1

[Aurakles]

Spoiler

Ghidorah was against the natural order because he was not of this Earth. He was molding our world to resemble his, which is not natural course correction. Godzilla and the other Titans were of this Earth and were natural course correctors for our world. That's the difference. This is why Ghidorah was bad. The problem with humanity, as depicted in the movie, is we try to control things beyond our control/comprehension. In this case, the titans. When we attempted to, we freed an alien bent on destroying our Earth as we knew it. So I think the themes work just fine.

Spoiler

Yeah, I think it would have been a lot clearer if they dropped the alien aspect and simply had someone controlling Ghidorah, reinforces that humanity is the problem.
If the film is aiming to say that Emma is right to free the monsters, it shouldn't make the first monster she frees inherently evil and unnatural. It's contradictory.
If one of the monsters if actually an alien, maybe others are as well, it undercuts the whole idea that they should be free.
If you have it that Ghidorah is neutral like the others, but someone manipulates him, it emphasises that humanity is the problem not the monsters. As it stands, humanity is sharing the blame with aliens.

This film isn't cohesive, it's a throw everything in and hope for the best affair. Things like the Oxygen Destroyer were tossed in as fan service, but in doing so were poorly used. They tried to do too much and lost focus, ideas were half baked because they were in a rush to get something else into the oven.

I think the film would have benefited from a tighter focus, instead of trying to cram in a dozen ideas from a Godzilla history, choosing one or two and giving them a lot more attention.

 

[DACrowe]

Yep two ****ty movies is enough for me. Skull Island was better in the action department but it still has the same human problems. Heck Toho should just take the license AWAY from the WB at this point. The WB IS the new Sony with them learning the WRONG things from the 2014 movie here. Either Toho takes the license away or the WB gives up & gives the license back willingly. Im good with either & the WB repeated the same mistake with BVS / JL but at the same time they are not gonna learn the right things so crash & burn Monsterverse for as long as the WB owns the rights. Over my dead body will I ever see another Monsterverse movie made by The WB as The WB is the Sony 2.0

"The WB is Sony 2.0." That is gibberish.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, the agenda is real with this one, LOL! WB is in no way Sony 2.0, though. Sony is probably the worst major studio at the moment.

 

[TheBumFuzzle]

Yeah, the agenda is real with this one, LOL! WB is in no way Sony 2.0, though. Sony is probably the worst major studio at the moment.

All Sony has ever had a hard time with was Spider-Man to the point they need MARVEL's help. The WB has ruined The Toho Monster Universe & depending on who you ask probably The Harry Potter world also. The Initial DCEU is a no brainer to list here & they are about to ruin Mortal Kombat. At least Sony admitted defeat with Spider-Man by running to MARVEL while The WB will ruin things kicking & screaming

 

[Spider-Fan]

All Sony has ever had a hard time with was Spider-Man to the point they need MARVEL's help. The WB has ruined The Toho Monster Universe & depending on who you ask probably The Harry Potter world also. The Initial DCEU is a no brainer to list here & they are about to ruin Mortal Kombat. At least Sony admitted defeat with Spider-Man by running to MARVEL while The WB will ruin things kicking & screaming

Sony has ruined countless franchises. See The Dark Tower and Sony in general has no franchises to build off of outside of Spider-Man based stuff. Which we still have an unclear future on to this point. But again, WB's track record is a matter of opinion. I get you seem to hate these and the DCEU, but I don't agree. I actually like both their Godzilla films and with the DCEU, they have made 3 out of 4 films I liked with the most recent output (I liked Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam). So no, I don't agree with you hypothesis.

 

[TheBumFuzzle]

Sony has ruined countless franchises. See The Dark Tower and Sony in general has no franchises to build off of outside of Spider-Man based stuff. Which we still have an unclear future on to this point. But again, WB's track record is a matter of opinion. I get you seem to hate these and the DCEU, but I don't agree. I actually like both their Godzilla films and with the DCEU, they have made 3 out of 4 films I liked with the most recent output (I liked Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam). So no, I don't agree with you hypothesis.

Okay let me re word my satement. In terms of specifically franchise handling The WB & LucasFIlm are tied at first for worst Studio. Sony is easily a clear second & Disney is third & Paramount is fourth. MARVEL is the only decent one at handling franchises at the moment & the John Wick guys are easily second after MARVEL

 

[kguillou]

Sony’s got way way more problems than Spider-man.

 

[Bayne]

Spoiler

Yeah, I think it would have been a lot clearer if they dropped the alien aspect and simply had someone controlling Ghidorah, reinforces that humanity is the problem.
If the film is aiming to say that Emma is right to free the monsters, it shouldn't make the first monster she frees inherently evil and unnatural. It's contradictory.
If one of the monsters if actually an alien, maybe others are as well, it undercuts the whole idea that they should be free.
If you have it that Ghidorah is neutral like the others, but someone manipulates him, it emphasises that humanity is the problem not the monsters. As it stands, humanity is sharing the blame with aliens.

This film isn't cohesive, it's a throw everything in and hope for the best affair. Things like the Oxygen Destroyer were tossed in as fan service, but in doing so were poorly used. They tried to do too much and lost focus, ideas were half baked because they were in a rush to get something else into the oven.

I think the film would have benefited from a tighter focus, instead of trying to cram in a dozen ideas from a Godzilla history, choosing one or two and giving them a lot more attention.

Your idea completely undercuts the message that human arrogance, ignorance and laziness is the problem. You haven't come up with a 'better' metaphor at all, just a different one. And these are still monster movies we're talking about. No metaphor will ever be perfect anyway. But the one in this movie works and works well. Better than most Toho metaphors, honestly.

 

[Arachnerd]

Yep two ****ty movies is enough for me. Skull Island was better in the action department but it still has the same human problems. Heck Toho should just take the license AWAY from the WB at this point. The WB IS the new Sony with them learning the WRONG things from the 2014 movie here. Either Toho takes the license away or the WB gives up & gives the license back willingly. Im good with either & the WB repeated the same mistake with BVS / JL but at the same time they are not gonna learn the right things so crash & burn Monsterverse for as long as the WB owns the rights. Over my dead body will I ever see another Monsterverse movie made by The WB as The WB is the Sony 2.0

Do... do you hear yourself when you talk?

I've seen people who hate BvS express less hatred than you. Jesus Christ, chill.

 

[TheBumFuzzle]

Do... do you hear yourself when you talk?

I've seen people who hate BvS express less hatred than you. Jesus Christ, chill.

Yeah I do & Im actually keeping myself calm here cause I'd normally be cursing. But in a movie when two giant monsters are charging at each other & the first thing that happens is a military plane flies into the screen & it cuts away from the fight Im gonna say something. But they can show the actress from Stranger Things doing tha stupid yell Im gonna say something. They cut away from the fight so that we can see two annoying parents argue in a car Im gonna say something

 

[Arachnerd]

Okay, first of all, you're getting way too invested in this. You're acting like Michael Dougherty slaughtered your cat or something. I'm sorry you didn't like these movies, and you have the right to have that opinion, but wishing GvK bombs and the Monsterverse ends (and to a lesser extent put the people who worked on these movies out of a job) purely because you despised them this much strikes me as a very petty and childish response.

Second, please try to calm down. People won't take you seriously if you're just mindlessly raging.

 

[TheBumFuzzle]

Okay, first of all, you're getting way too invested in this. You're acting like Michael Dougherty slaughtered your cat or something. I'm sorry you didn't like these movies, and you have the right to have that opinion, but wishing GvK bombs and the Monsterverse ends (and to a lesser extent put the people who worked on these movies out of a job) purely because you despised them this much strikes me as a very petty and childish response.

Second, please try to calm down. People won't take you seriously if you're just mindlessly raging.

So I should want these people to make more of these movies because I personally feel they are incompetent at their jobs ? Yeah no thats not how it works & since The WB learned all of the wrong lessons & they defintiely will NOT be doing Toho any favors by making the Monsterverse suck. The WB can only blame themselves & NOT ME if Toho takes the rights away as it is NOT MY FAULT that The WB did NOT LEARN THE RIGHT LESSONS from the 2014 movie

 

[Spider-Fan]

For the last time, Toho legally cannot take the rights away. You need to learn how contracts work. No amount of fanboy whining is going to force Toho to take anything away. WB has not violated any terms of contract, so Toho has no legal right to take any action. They signed a contract for these movies through GvK. So like it or not, WB is at least making 1 more. It's already shot.

This "Toho needs to take the rights away now!" tirade just seems childish. That's not how business works.

 

[Aurakles]

Your idea completely undercuts the message that human arrogance, ignorance and laziness is the problem. You haven't come up with a 'better' metaphor at all, just a different one. And these are still monster movies we're talking about. No metaphor will ever be perfect anyway. But the one in this movie works and works well. Better than most Toho metaphors, honestly.

Spoiler

It would be the arrogance of humanity thinking it can control a force of nature, and their ignorance of how that would affect the world. Really all it would do is tidy up the complication Ghidorah being an alien introduces.
If he wasn't an alien, the film would simply be about interactions between humanity and nature, which makes things clearer.
If you want Ghidorah to act against nature, make it because of the shortsightedness and greed of humans, rather than because he's from space. Make it unambiguously our fault. That would be a much better representation of global warming.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spoiler

It would be the arrogance of humanity thinking it can control a force of nature, and their ignorance of how that would affect the world. Really all it would do is tidy up the complication Ghidorah being an alien introduces.
If he wasn't an alien, the film would simply be about interactions between humanity and nature, which makes things clearer.
If you want Ghidorah to act against nature, make it because of the shortsightedness and greed of humans, rather than because he's from space. Make it unambiguously our fault. That would be a much better representation of global warming.

Spoiler

But everything about man's arrogance still applies. They attempted to control a force they thought they understood, and it turns out the didn't know what they were doing. I don't think humans controlling Ghidorah or making Ghidorah non-alien changes much, honestly. So I guess we'll just have to disagree.

 

[Sithborg]

We will see what the future holds. No matter what, there definitely was going to be a change in the deal with Legendary. If anything,

 

[MovieSlave]

All Sony has ever had a hard time with was Spider-Man to the point they need MARVEL's help. The WB has ruined The Toho Monster Universe & depending on who you ask probably The Harry Potter world also. The Initial DCEU is a no brainer to list here & they are about to ruin Mortal Kombat. At least Sony admitted defeat with Spider-Man by running to MARVEL while The WB will ruin things kicking & screaming

It wasn't just them failing with Spider-Man. Sony puts out a lot of sub-par movies, some are legit just bad.

As someone who has read the Harry Potter books the movies were not bad adaptations in the slightest. Sure they cut some stuff just like any book that gets adapted but any HP fans that hate the movies are being a bit ridiculous.

I don't think WB ruined the Toho Monster Universe. I get people's complaints about it cutting away from the action in both movies but I felt they were still solid. As far as the humans I can't think of many Toho Godzilla films that had deep human characters in them either. Could both of these movies been better? Of course but ultimately I felt they were solid, especially the previous one. Primarily because of the better direction and camera work as well as the serious route it took. I don't recall there being any humor in that film while in this sequel that's a bulk of the dialogue. They needed to cut the humor down in KotM.

Okay let me re word my satement. In terms of specifically franchise handling The WB & LucasFIlm are tied at first for worst Studio. Sony is easily a clear second & Disney is third & Paramount is fourth. MARVEL is the only decent one at handling franchises at the moment & the John Wick guys are easily second after MARVEL

See, I can understand your point of view if you're just talking adaptations and franchise films but overall WB puts out a lot of other good to great films. So I heavily disagree with labeling them as the worst Studio. I truly think Sony takes the throne for that label. WB to me has always been solid in my eyes.

 

[Lighthouse]

Spoiler

Yeah, I think it would have been a lot clearer if they dropped the alien aspect and simply had someone controlling Ghidorah, reinforces that humanity is the problem.
If the film is aiming to say that Emma is right to free the monsters, it shouldn't make the first monster she frees inherently evil and unnatural. It's contradictory.
If one of the monsters if actually an alien, maybe others are as well, it undercuts the whole idea that they should be free.
If you have it that Ghidorah is neutral like the others, but someone manipulates him, it emphasises that humanity is the problem not the monsters. As it stands, humanity is sharing the blame with aliens.

This film isn't cohesive, it's a throw everything in and hope for the best affair. Things like the Oxygen Destroyer were tossed in as fan service, but in doing so were poorly used. They tried to do too much and lost focus, ideas were half baked because they were in a rush to get something else into the oven.

I think the film would have benefited from a tighter focus, instead of trying to cram in a dozen ideas from a Godzilla history, choosing one or two and giving them a lot more attention.

I think the alien angle still works fine, but boy I totally agree with you about the Oxygen Destroyer. Very half baked.

 

[Arachnerd]

Yeah, that was such a huge waste.

Spoiler

A part of me hopes that the fallout will be addressed in GvK, but I'm not getting my hopes up. The way they introduced it with no foreshadowing or fanfare disappointed me greatly.

 

[Lighthouse]

International wasn't super great either.

Godzilla: King Of The Monsters Bows To $130M Overseas; Why So Low? – Deadline

 

[terry78]

I guess that Marvel or Disney logo means something everywhere.

 

[Lighthouse]

The Domestic BO isn't hugely shocking, but I am surprised by the International. I thought this would absolutely destroy overseas.

 

[MbJ]

There's only one place they could possibly go after the fight with Kong.

 

[Joefixit]

https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-godzilla-means-the-world-to-king-of-monsters-direct-1835117620

Hats off to him, from the movie you could really see that he was a fan. Im happy he stayed true to the character and the history of the character. Like I said , hats off to him! I loved the film.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Watching Shin Godzilla at the moment. It's is a movie based around an Angel attack from Evangelion.