Godzilla vs Kong (2021)

[-JKR-]

It is. The utter panic which obscures rational thinking in studio execs IS one of today's major problems in blockbuster filmmaking. As if breaking apart a movie with a sledgehammer and try to glue it together with band aid while screaming wildly will make it better.

 

[MadVillainy]

Nah, not really.
I get why a studio would panic. They have shareholders and their own jobs to worry about. All we worry about is time and a bit of money if a movie isn't good. So I get why if it seems like youre going down the wrong path to try and course correct. Very true that fans are going to see the movie no matter what, but I understand trying to change thing to reach a wider audience. And I also don't think it happens that often. At least at non WB studios
I'm not saying that it's not a problem but not one of the biggest.

The bigger problem to me is why they keep making these weird, quality questionable movies that don't play into any public desire. Why make a $150 mill Godzilla movie where he barely shows up? Why make a Batman and Superman movie where neither are that likable? Why make a $200 mill movie based on The Mummy. That's what I don't get and where I can't even rationalize that.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Nah, not really.
I get why a studio would panic. They have shareholders and their own jobs to worry about. All we worry about is time and a bit of money if a movie isn't good. So I get why if it seems like youre going down the wrong path to try and course correct. Very true that fans are going to see the movie no matter what, but I understand trying to change thing to reach a wider audience. And I also don't think it happens that often. At least at non WB studios
I'm not saying that it's not a problem but not one of the biggest.

The bigger problem to me is why they keep making these weird, quality questionable movies that don't play into any public desire. Why make a $150 mill Godzilla movie where he barely shows up? Why make a Batman and Superman movie where neither are that likable? Why make a $200 mill movie based on The Mummy. That's what I don't get and where I can't even rationalize that.

Batman and Superman are not that likeable? Are you on drugs?

 

[Enriquespy]

I dunno about all that man. Most people (me included) just wanna se Big G. and Mr. K.K. punch each other real good.

 

[MadVillainy]

Batman and Superman are not that likeable? Are you on drugs?

Change your tone.

An no in BvS they weren't likable. Plenty of people said that. And the reception to BvS proved that. If you think otherwise you haven't been looking. Then again, I've seen how you act on this site and see that you don't look at things rationally.

I dunno about all that man. Most people (me included) just wanna se Big G. and Mr. K.K. punch each other real good.

We'll see.

This is a similar excuse people have been using.
"I don't care about anything else, I just want to see Giant Robots fight Monsters" -About Pacific Rim
"Who cares about humans I just wanna see monsters fight" -About Godzilla, Godzilla 2, etc.

The Forbes article pointed out a good point where most of these monster movies seem to have some kind of cap.
We'll see about GvK.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I think having Kong in this goes a long way.

Again, he’s the most sympathetic giant movie monster.

 

[Enriquespy]

This is a similar excuse people have been using.

It's not an excuse, for I have no argument or cause. I just enjoy them monsters fights. And I really liked G2.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think having Kong in this goes a long way.

Again, he’s the most sympathetic giant movie monster.

I don't think it'll really matter. But am very open to being wrong.

I mean Kong grossed 566 mill WW last go around? GvK I see going a little ove $600 mill if it's quality. And that's not necessarily bad. But I'm guessing their spending a good amount more on GvK vs what they spent on Skull Island

I just don't see people going like: "Oh King Kong is in this? Now I gotta see it" like people did when it came to seeing RDJ show up in non Iron Man movies as Tony Stark or like when they brought back the original Fast & Furious and X-Men casts

 

[MadVillainy]

It's not an excuse, for I have no argument or cause. I just enjoy them monsters fights. And I really liked G2.

Ok good for you. I liked KOTM too. But we're not talking about what you or I personally think. We're talking about general perception and how that might affect the box office

 

[Enriquespy]

Yeah, I don't think this will have massive BO.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah, I don't think this will have massive BO.

Hope to be proven wrong

 

[-JKR-]

Nah, not really.
I get why a studio would panic. They have shareholders and their own jobs to worry about. All we worry about is time and a bit of money if a movie isn't good. So I get why if it seems like youre going down the wrong path to try and course correct. Very true that fans are going to see the movie no matter what, but I understand trying to change thing to reach a wider audience. And I also don't think it happens that often. At least at non WB studios
I'm not saying that it's not a problem but not one of the biggest.

Nah. Not really.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I don't think it'll really matter. But am very open to being wrong.

I mean Kong grossed 566 mill WW last go around? GvK I see going a little ove $600 mill if it's quality. And that's not necessarily bad. But I'm guessing their spending a good amount more on GvK vs what they spent on Skull Island

I just don't see people going like: "Oh King Kong is in this? Now I gotta see it" like people did when it came to seeing RDJ show up in non Iron Man movies as Tony Stark or like when they brought back the original Fast & Furious and X-Men casts

I see what you’re saying, but I think showing a ginormous Kong (presumably he’s way bigger this go around) in a trailer confronting Godzilla in daylight could definitely spark a lot of interest. He’s someone you can root for than just some “nameless” other monsters to the general public.

I know it should be said for every movie, but that first trailer could go a long way in how they present Kong.

 

[Filmfreak]

Honest question. Is there a case of a movie that underwent heavy reshoots and managed to be good? Because all I can think of are disasters. Granted we don't know how they could have been, but like others mentioned besides the quality it usually feels very incosistent and disjointed as well. If there aren't any succesful examples I'm not sure why would studios think that a move like that makes sense business wise.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Back to the Future, Rogue One, Mad Max: Fury Road, Jaws...

 

[Filmfreak]

Back to the Future, Rogue One, Mad Max: Fury Road, Jaws...

Did all of those have massive reshoots? Interesting, I didn't know. Even though I don't consider Rogue One a good movie, all the others turned out pretty great if that's the case.

 

[Ninjablade]

I wouldn't include Back to the Future on that list because that was a bit of a different situation. The only thing the reshoots changed was it being Michael J. Fox as Marty replacing Eric Stoltz.

The script didn't change in that situation as it most likely will here.

I would add E.T, Superman II, and Anchorman to the list.

 

[Sithborg]

Nah, not really.
I get why a studio would panic. They have shareholders and their own jobs to worry about. All we worry about is time and a bit of money if a movie isn't good. So I get why if it seems like youre going down the wrong path to try and course correct. Very true that fans are going to see the movie no matter what, but I understand trying to change thing to reach a wider audience. And I also don't think it happens that often. At least at non WB studios
I'm not saying that it's not a problem but not one of the biggest.

The bigger problem to me is why they keep making these weird, quality questionable movies that don't play into any public desire. Why make a $150 mill Godzilla movie where he barely shows up? Why make a Batman and Superman movie where neither are that likable? Why make a $200 mill movie based on The Mummy. That's what I don't get and where I can't even rationalize that.

A $150 million Tarzan movie, as much as I enjoyed it...

 

[DACrowe]

It is. The utter panic which obscures rational thinking in studio execs IS one of today's major problems in blockbuster filmmaking. As if breaking apart a movie with a sledgehammer and try to glue it together with band aid while screaming wildly will make it better.

Worked for Rogue One.

 

[Boom]

Filmmaker driveeeeeeennnnnnnnnn.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

I am sure they drive the execs accross the WB parking lot from time to time.

 

[HKpowerup]

Honest question. Is there a case of a movie that underwent heavy reshoots and managed to be good? Because all I can think of are disasters. Granted we don't know how they could have been, but like others mentioned besides the quality it usually feels very incosistent and disjointed as well. If there aren't any succesful examples I'm not sure why would studios think that a move like that makes sense business wise.

The entire third act for World War Z was re-written & re-shot before release, and it was a reportedly a troubled production. But it ended up being a well-received film. It's 60% on RT, B+ on Cinemascore, and went on to make 540m worldwide and I believe was eventually profitable.

 

[HKpowerup]

I see what you’re saying, but I think showing a ginormous Kong (presumably he’s way bigger this go around) in a trailer confronting Godzilla in daylight could definitely spark a lot of interest. He’s someone you can root for than just some “nameless” other monsters to the general public.

I know it should be said for every movie, but that first trailer could go a long way in how they present Kong.

Agreed. I don't think they should be doing heavy re-shoots, enough money has been spent and, thanks to KoTM, lost already. They should have just stayed with the original release date for GvK and smartly market it.

Utilizing Kong correctly is absolutely crucial to getting a good marketing campaign going.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The box office for King of Monsters was really that bad... Jesus. I only plan on watch this for Henwick and Eiza. I hope neither are lost in these reshoots.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Back to the Future, Rogue One, Mad Max: Fury Road, Jaws...

Fury Road did not have reshoots. Proof of concept lead to more being filmed.