Sequels "Going Wrath Of Khan":The Official MOS Action Thread

I think he was referring to the quality of the film, rather than plot devices. Wrath of Khan is considered to be the best Star Trek film, Singer I believe is going out all sci-fi to do the best Superman film (at least his Superman).

 

yeah, it has nothing to do with the subject matter, but as mentioned the quality of the film. ST the motion picture, is a terrribly boring movie. It's long slow and boring. STII:The Wrath of Khan was a kick ass take no prisoners action movie (as far as star trek goes).

So it means that SR is a little slow, because they are doing a seudo origin. Now that that is all taken care of, bring on the mindnumbingly awesome super action movie.

 

It was very intelligent....but very slow. The predominate number of non Trekkies and non cerebral science fiction readers felt that the first Trek movie was boring. Khan gave it a much needed kickstart and moved it into a different direction.

 

I understand your point, and it is well taken, and this question is a bit off topic but is Khan really considered the best? I ask this not because I don't believe it, I just don't know. I am no Trekkie or Trekker, I really enjoyed the TNG series and most of the TNG films, and I liked Khan. But all that said, I would think that First Contact would be considered the best in the entire franchise. It's the best written, best acted and most important one in the franchise. I get Singer's Khan reference, but isn't it lost on most people? If Khan was immediately recognized as important, I can see it, but I just don't see it. Why reference it? It's good but how good?

 

There are ten Trek movies. When polls are made...the 2 Trek films that predominately come out as the best are "Wrath of Khan" and "First Contact".

Khan was the second film....Contact was the eighth.

Since it takes six more movies before one is considered better than Khan....it's rep is pretty good.

Khan is important to the franchise, because it changed the direction (uniforms, sets, secondary characters, etc...) that the first one had....and they continued until the end of the run of the "original" character's series (it's stuff was carried into the seventh movie).

So...Star Trek the Motion Picture started the movie franchise (and almost killed it)....and Khan managed to resurrect it, make it better, and continue for decades.

 

Very good insight. Never have seen these movies, so I was a little clueless, it was cleared up for me previously. I just forget easily.

 

I love Wrath of Khan. And as most Singer fans should know, Singer's a big star trek fan.

He even had a role in one of the next generation movies.

I know what he means by wrath of khaning it. More action. faster pace, possibly death of richard. This is all from Khan. And it's what he did for X2, he borrowed A LOT from Khan for that film. I finally noticed how similar they were when I saw khan and said "hey this is like X2... WAIT A MINUTE!"

Villain from the past wants revenge on an old friend/rival? check
Villain uses mind control methods to make characters do whatever he wants. Check
One of our heros sacrafices their life for the good of the many? Check.
Then you've got the x-men(Enterprise crew) being on the run from Striker (Khan)
Referrences to classic Liturature throughout the films.

Damn I love X2. It's a shame all we got as a sequel to it was Rush-men The Last Hour. People just don't know how good a Singer x3 would have been, I tell you...

But yes Singer's very much giving us a big hint here as to what to expect for a sequel IF he's coming back. And yes I think it might be a sly way of saying Zod, really the only one besides luthor who's an old enemy, will be the main baddy. I also think he plans to mirror Wrath of Khan much like he did in x2. Or it could just mean faster pace, and more action. I'm not saying he can't just mean that. I just read between the lines.

 

Nice post

 

Star Trek II isn't just my favorite Trek film, it's one of my favorite films period. I noticed the similarities to Khan when watching X2 the first time...in fact, at a screening of Khan last year in Santa Monica with director Nick Meyer in attendance, my friend asked him what he thought about Bryan Singer taking his ending for his own movie, to which Mr. Meyer just smiled and said "nice try".

And there are similarities between Superman Returns and Star Trek: The Motion Picture, although they are almost all superficial; Both films were almost a decade in development, and a lot of money was spent on many scripts that were abandoned; Both projects were started and stopped at least 3 or 4 times; Both movies were very expensive, and although they were both box office hits, they were percieved as not because the money they made barely covered costs. I'd say the only really big difference is that ST:TMP was not very well reviewed at all back in the day, where SR was mostly very well reviewed.

When Bryan Singer says the SR sequel is gonna be like ST II, I think he means only superficially. ST II was made for a fraction of ST:TMP's budget, re-using as many sets from the original film as possible ( A little bit of trivia for ya: So much money was spent on sets and props and models for ST:TMP, that not only were many re-used for ST II, but also ST III-VII, Star Trek: The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. Paramount got nearly 20 years of use out of money spent on Star Trek: The Motion Picture ) I believe the Superman sequel is gonna be made for a fraction of Superman Returns budget, and they are gonna re-use as many sets as possible, and up the action just like ST II did. Unlike Star Trek though, I believe Bryan Singer will be back because he has more invested in the Superman franchise than ST:TMP director Robert Wise was in Star Trek. Robert Wise was never really a Star Trek fan.

 

hes trying to tell us he wont go with the romantic bull**** and this time, he will go for a kick ass sci-fi movie which is mindblowing... kinda like wrath of khan, which lets admit, was a good movie when it came out.

 

Most signs point toward the resounding negative.

 

But come on why Zod

 

As I see it, 'Wrath of Khan" is seen as one of the ultimate sequels, where the action and intensity was amped up. That's what Singer wants--a sequel that blows SR out of the water.

 

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Sorry, but you sound like an idiot.

 

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Zod an old enemy? I don't recall him being mentioned in SR or that Superman and him have battled before..did I miss that scene? As others have stated..the Wrath of Khan refererence most likely is referring to upping the action and the addition of a Supervillain(other then Luthor) and I don't think it will be Zod...Brainiac my friend...Brainiac.

 

Venom you were wrong about the Kid do you want to be wrong again?

 

Well see there you go..I was wrong once...I won't be again..I must of been under the weather when I was wrong about Jason...yeah thats it..I was under the weather and wasn't thinking straight.

 

sorry newb but i dont recall mentioning anything about girls or saying that ass kicking was what i wanted in the sequel, i never mentioned it, read it again. so 'sorry' i dont see how i sound like an idiot.

 

a little late, but no worries. I like STMP. I never said it was a bad movie, but it is very slow, and at times pretty boring. It's the thinking man's star trek. However, when compared to it's sequel, it can definately be called a boring movie. STMP, relative to STII, is boring.

if STMP is to STII, and SR is to SRII, then I can't wait to see SRII. SR was by no means a bad movie, or boring. So if SRII is able to trump SR, as STII trumped STMP, the SRII is gonna be one badass mofo end all say all of superhero movies (if handled correctly of course and so many other cautions aswell).


oh, and just on the topic of STII: favorite 2 momments are 1) "Spock? 2 hours, are you ready?" and the whole sequence of Spock's death, from "ship out of danger?" to the revelation that Spocks photon tube had survived it's landing on Genesis. Both parts were so brilliant.

 

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What Singer means with the "Wrath of Kahn" is that he will bring back a major badguy from SUPERMAN's past... One we have all seen before, and who he will bring back once more because he cant come up with one single original idea for any of his movies... Still trying to copy Richard Donner with a 3rd rate cast...

So yes it's going to be ZOD since you know he only knows the Donner/Reeve movies, and doesnt know about the comic book universe their based on, and well yes ZOD was in number 2... How wacky huh!
He will be in both Donners number 2, and Singers number 2!

Hey Bryan can Dave Chappelle get Richard Pryors job in the 3rd flop you direct for the WB! He would rule that part son!

The WB are just all nuts allowing this fool to ruin the entire theatrical life of Superman because after this mess with SR, and the mess that will come in 2009 its going to be a LONG LONG time before we get a restart... IF EVER!

Don't think Jude Law will make this movie into a big blockbuster in 09 if he gets cast... Dude hasn't really had any major hits in the past, and he's a good actor, and all that jazz but he doesnt put butts on the seats.

Heck the BATMAN casting of Heath Ledger as Joker would go down as a better casting job then Jude Law as ZOD! Trust me on that one...

I mean he is a great actor, and he would be a nice fit into any Superman movie or any Superhero movie for that matter.

But seriously nobody wants to hear him say... Kneel before ZOD!

I mean please have some originality with the sequel I mean for godsakes man you already ruined part 1.. err 2.5?? Well were ever the movie fits into the Superman universe.