Superman Returns Do you think the beginning of SR will be like the beginning of Star Trek III?

[Showtime]

Based on Skru's and Fatboy's reccomendations I will have to check out both Star Wars and Trek.

 

[skruloos]

As far as Star Trek goes, the first movie is probably the most sincere in it's attempts to really mine some serious Sci-Fi ground. I do agree that Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is a great little pulp actioner. It's no mistake that Skru mentions 2, 4, and 6, as they're all helmed and written by Nicholas Meyer, who exercises his Shakespeare fetish to very nice results. I personally prefer First Contact to all of those except II, and those two are the only ones I really watch, but I do think you'd enjoy II, IV and VI.

Star Trek 4 was actually directed by Leonard Nimoy. 4 is just great because it's a Star Trek movie that doesn't take itself too seriously and its the most quotable. But it's not a bad movie by any means. The humor is fairly well written and it looks like the cast has a lot of fun with it. The movie is essentially a heist movie with a lot of great characters.

6, I think, is just as Sci-Fi as The Motion Picture, although more in an HG Wells/Jules Verne way rather than Asimov. It's deals with high adventure and a bit of the nautical themes that Verne had in 20,000 Leagues but was also an allegory for the fall of Communist USSR. If Star Trek 4 was their heist movie, then 6 is their political thriller with a good murder mystery built into it.

As far as Star Wars goes, I've always found those movies are entirely more enjoyable once you divorce all that "magic of myth" claptrap that was built around the films since 77 as a way to explain why they made so much money. So much of that got built so much that eventually there was no way these space operas could sustain the weight of importance placed on them. They're amazing eye candy with ridiculous sound design and a decent plot to hang it all on. Look at Star Wars movies that way and I guarantee you'll have way more fun with them.

I would say that only A New Hope was built on the Hero's Myth any way, which is certainly true. The others deviated from it quite a bit.

 

[Spare-Flair]

Did Star Trek ever make any money at the BO?

Star Trek IV took place in 1986 San Francisco and made the most $110 million at the US box office on a $25 million budget.

Personally, most of the Trek movies are kinda crappy except 6 which is actually a end of the cold war allegory + Shakespeare. Star Trek: The Motion Picture was going for pure sci-fi in the 2001: A Space Odessy kind of way and fumbled a bit. Star Trek IV is just a comedic interlude about people from the future being in a 1980s city.

Most of the TV series are not too good except for the original from the 60s because it was groundbreaking at the time and Deep Space Nine really is the epitome of dark science fiction, especially with the Dominion War, et. al.

I don't know what this "I'll never check out blah blah" stuff is. You just end up missing out due to some kind of stubborness.

Personally however, the three prequels to Star Wars ruined the entire franchise again. I will never watch any Star Wars movie again despite doing so repeatedly during my childhood. Star Wars just leaves a bad taste in my mouth now.

I will however, still enjoy Star Trek Deep Space Nine as some of the best science fiction TV series made (at least from season 3 onward when they get into the actual galactic war). The original Trek, you can enjoy if you realize that it was the 60s and just how revolutionary it was, to even have men and women commanding the ship and be of various races, white, asian, black, and alien. The original Trek had it's share of bad episodes but many famous science fiction writers wrote for it in the 60s. It's a very different beast from modern television.

Bryan Singer cameod in Star Trek Nemesis which would be been a better TV movie than a theatrical movie.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Crap Fest, HAHAHAHAHAHA

The level of your intelligence is staggering...

 

[Showtime]

Looks like Star Trek 11 will have a Superman connection:

Star Trek 11: According to Variety, Paramount is breathing life into its "Star Trek" franchise by setting "Mission: Impossible III" helmer J.J. Abrams to produce and direct the 11th "Trek" feature, aiming for a 2008 release. Damon Lindelof and Bryan Burk, Abrams' producing team from "Lost," also will produce the yet-to-be-titled feature. Project, to be penned by Abrams and "MI3" scribes Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, will center on the early days of seminal "Trek" characters James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock, including their first meeting at Starfleet Academy and first outer space mission.

 

[SIXXDOGG]

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honestly? no..i really think it will be like The first superman..starting with comic bood screens..then moving off toward the stars...superman music Blazing..and updated Supes Wording..you know the blue names.. then we will arrive in space with the ship and supes asleep inside..he wakes up and we start to see the remains of Krypton.

I personally think it will be very similar to the beginning of Aliens where you see the escape pod far off in the distance and it comes towards and past the camera. I think we will see the crystal ship do something like that but as the ship passes the camera, the camera will follow the ship as it heads towards the remains of Krypton.

 

[COCOViper]

man most of these replys are totally missing the point of the thread...

But I think the evidence:
-story boards of Superman 1 in one of the first singer video blogs...
-The comic book artist Chew Chan being reported as getting to show off his work in the new movie's opening credits ( http://www.supanova.com.au/newsletter/march2006/ )
-and the fact that singer has said that the events of the first two movies, most noteably the destruction that happened and the people that got hurt when Zod showed up led superman to sort of exile himself...

...all leads me to believe a cool version of the Superman II/Spiderman II type intro recapping some important events of the past along with music. After that I think we will cut to space and probally see some stuff with krypton/his new big ship.

 

[cameron]

Edit

 

[dark_b]

Folks, the SR movie starts like the first Donner's Superman: red theater curtains, drawn shut. They slowly opens and the film flickers to life fading in on an old issue di Action Comics. The comic-book panels dissolves to footage from the 1978 version di Superman: Jor-El and Lara place the baby Kal-El into a crystal vessel...

is this an insider info?

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

is this an insider info?

considering..he edited the post..i would doubt his credibilty.

 

[Agnarr]

Of course, I edit my posts just to correct my spelling since I'm compulsive like that.

But who knows. I really don't care how it starts, but it would be neat to see Zod, in some fashion, besides a comic-book recap. Flashbacks during the movie would be even better. Actually, I realize that all I really want to see is Superman getting his @ss kicked! Or maybe Zod's hand getting horribly crushed with bones sticking out and blood dripping everywhere.