Sequels "Going Wrath Of Khan":The Official MOS Action Thread

[Kabuki_Jo]

Thanos never wins because of his insecurities effecting him on a subconscious level. Whenever he loses, it's because he subconsciously leaves a huge, gaping flaw in his plan. This is because as a child he was made to feel inferior towards others, and on a sub conscious level, he actually believes it.

Thanks for the info.

 

[The Overlord]

That depends. If it is very poorly explained then yes, b/c it's a Deus Ex Machina. If not, then it could work. Status Quo should sometimes be broken when there is a good reason to.



In most discussions yes. But since some directly reference canon storylines and concepts and expand on them, I wouldn't totally render them irrelavent.



That's still vague at best. What Specifically are the properties of nothingness?? Why wouldn't heat factor in?? Extreme heat is one of many destructive factors in the universe.



Again, I'm still unconvinced. If Darkseid's Omega Effect is so Powerful then why (and I've been saving this) did it have absolutely no effect on Galactus?? (ref. Darkseid vs Galactus the Hunger) Chalk that up to writing inconsistencies or bad writing. (Crossovers do tend to piss some ppl off) To me that shows that there are loopholes in your declarations. And I'm sure that there are other examples. (non Crossover related)

Marvel/DC crossovers are not canon and cannot be brought into debates like this as evidence.

 

[The Overlord]

Personally I think a souped up robot version of Brainiac would make for great fist fight with Superman. Brainiac wouldn't outclass Superman the way Darkseid does and he couldn't be defeated by plot devices like Zod (see Superman II). Robot Brainiac with force fields, a nearly impressive frame and lasers powerful enough to hurt Superman would give Supes the fight of his life and this time couldn't rely on plot devices for help. I want to see Superman lose against this robot brainiac, until he does something to really piss Superman off and superman savagely attacks him, with throwing punches that create shock waves in the process.

 

[Kroc1138]

Darkseid said that the beams were hot, therefore he was using them to create heat. What exactly is so hard to comprehend here?Exactly. The beam Darkseid used in that scene produced a thermal effect. It did not erase anything; it only blasted Doomsday into a bunch of rocks and melted it all into the ground, burying DD under the molten rock.Heat is not the true Omega Effect. The true Effect would result in nothing left in its wake; no molten rock, no smoke, no fire, nothing.Show me some proof of this from before the year 2000 where the writers at DC began to consistently water down many villains in Superman's titles, and I might take your claim seriously.

Fair Enough.

In Superman #3, Darkseid grabbed Clark by the throat with enough speed that Clark didn't realize that Darkseid had even moved until his hand was around his neck.

That doesn't show that he is as fast as Superman, It merely shows that Darkseid is Fast for his size.

LMAO

Show A feat of Strength/Speed that Darkseid has Done that compares to Superman and then I'll be satisfied.

Lobo is someone who's been shown to be equal to Superman, and yet he nearly broke his hand when he hit Darkseid in the face, while 'Seid was completely unphased.

You do know that That evidence while true, contradicts a lot intances. For one if Lobo can't Hurt Darkseid and Superman can actually knock him around with punches, (that is seen as far back as Darkseid's First appearance in the Post-Crisis era) is very problematic if you state that Lobo is Superman's equal. It doesn't add up at all. Is Superman a match for Lobo or not?? From what I know, Lobo is Generally in Superman Strength level, but he is not his equal. There are two intances that I know of where they both have Fought. (there's more) Their "First" encounter had Lobo Beating up a Hologram of Superman and their next in MOS #30 Had Superman outmatching Lobo for many reasons. (Superman actually punched him into orbit)

Sneak up behind someone, then sucker punch them with your best punch. Just wait and see if they can actually get back up before you can put in more hits to keep them down. It's not that hard at all if you've got the element of surprise on your side and press that advantage.

That depends. Some people can recover and other can't. You still don't really tell me much from that.

I thought it was obvious that DD was absorbing the energy through the ring.

No. It was commented that His Body would soon start absorbing the Energy. I'll have to double check to be sure.

And if you knew how Darkseid's powers work, then you would know that he can simply reverse Doomsday's entire hyper-evolution, effectively taking away the very source of his power.

In Theory.

You really don't know anything about Darkseid and what he can do, do you? Comparing him to the power of the GL Corp, and just leaving it at that, doesn't quite fly.

Really?? You do know that The GL Corps and the Guardians have Lots of Power. They Have so much that they can actually end time and Restart it. Two examples of this occuring was a Rogue Guardian hoping to end existence so he could see the Big Bang and study it. The Next is Hal Jordan usurping all of The GL/Guardians powers (thus becoming Parallax) and hoping to erase the destruction of Coast City through ending existence and restarting it. Darkseid has never done any such feat lke that ever in Post Crisis history. Oh and Please stop trying to question my knowledge of Darkseid. I already know what you do. What you don't understand is that writers write him differently. Some of them power him down and others power him up

Learn.

 

[The Question]

That doesn't show that he is as fast as Superman, It merely shows that Darkseid is Fast for his size.

If it was so fast that Clark didn't even register it happening, then Darkseid is as fast, if not faster, than Superman.

 

[Spike_x1]

That doesn't show that he is as fast as Superman, It merely shows that Darkseid is Fast for his size.

Huh? Clark didn't even see him move. Care to elaborate on how that doesn't put him at Superman's speed, or even faster?

If Darkseid was simply just "fast for his size," then Superman should still have been able to at least see him make the move.

Show A feat of Strength/Speed that Darkseid has Done that compares to Superman and then I'll be satisfied.

He knocked Wonder Woman flying and unconscious with a simple flick of his wrist, and Superman himself had a hard time putting WW down during the "Sacrifice" storyarc. Darkseid has also effortlessly contained Etrigan by using strength alone, and the Demon has been shown capable of punching opponents to as far as the moon.

You do know that That evidence while true, contradicts a lot intances. For one if Lobo can't Hurt Darkseid and Superman can actually knock him around with punches, (that is seen as far back as Darkseid's First appearance in the Post-Crisis era) is very problematic if you state that Lobo is Superman's equal. It doesn't add up at all. Is Superman a match for Lobo or not?? From what I know, Lobo is Generally in Superman Strength level, but he is not his equal. There are two intances that I know of where they both have Fought. (there's more) Their "First" encounter had Lobo Beating up a Hologram of Superman and their next in MOS #30 Had Superman outmatching Lobo for many reasons. (Superman actually punched him into orbit)

Even if Lobo isn't quite on Superman's level, he's definitely not far away, and the fact that he nearly broke his hand against a completely unphased Darkseid's face has to say something.

That depends. Some people can recover and other can't. You still don't really tell me much from that.

As you said, "others can't." I really dislike degrading Darkseid by saying that he wouldn't instantly recover when he's otherwise been shown fully able to almost instantly regenerate from such serious injuries as the Spectre himself practically vaporizing him, but if that's what it takes to excuse lackluster writing, then that's that.

It doesn't quite excuse it, but then again, nothing really will.

No. It was commented that His Body would soon start absorbing the Energy. I'll have to double check to be sure.

It said no such thing.

The Guardian at the scene suspected that Doomsday may have been absorbing the energy that he was wielding against him, but it said nothing definite. And considering that Doomsday has never shown any hint whatsoever of energy-absorbing powers, other than the one instance in question where he was wearing a ring that could conveniently absorb energy (*gasp in shock*), then why should anyone believe that Doomsday's body alone is capable of such a feat?

Really?? You do know that The GL Corps and the Guardians have Lots of Power. They Have so much that they can actually end time and Restart it. Two examples of this occuring was a Rogue Guardian hoping to end existence so he could see the Big Bang and study it. The Next is Hal Jordan usurping all of The GL/Guardians powers (thus becoming Parallax) and hoping to erase the destruction of Coast City through ending existence and restarting it. Darkseid has never done any such feat lke that ever in Post Crisis history.

What you don't understand is that writers write him differently. Some of them power him down and others power him up

The same rule applies to the Guardians.

What YOU may or may not understand is that the stories that these events took place in were meant to showcase Doomsday and put him as high up on the DCU's threat list as possible, regardless of the ridiculous writing in certain spots. Because of this, the writer(s) quite obviously watered down DD's opponents in order to cast him in a more threatening light.

If someone wrote a story where Batman punched out a fully powered Doomsday, and it took place in the regular DCU continuity, that does not mean that Batman is stronger and more powerful than DD; it just means that the story in question was subject to inconsistent characterizations and bad writing. Both of those are things of which Darkseid has been the on again/off again victim of for the past few years.

Oh and Please stop trying to question my knowledge of Darkseid. I already know what you do.

I'll stop questioning your knowledge of Darkseid when you show me that you know something of Darkseid.

And what exactly is it that you "know" ? Do you mean that you already 'know what I know about Darkseid', because if that's so, then you certainly haven't shown it so far. On the other hand, if you mean that you 'know what I do at night,' that just sounds creepy and stalker-ish. I'm not certain which one it is that you're claiming, so I can't deny anything.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

Yeah...those are all great examples of the types of action and fight scenes that are will needed....BADLY in the sequel. Everything but Superman staying to fight in Metroplis....the fight needs to be elsewhere. To many lives would be at stake.

You're right, but there's always a way to do them in Metropolis, I guess.

 

[ZombieONE]

He should take a play out of this playbook:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGv1tN8YCiU&mode=related&search=

 

[X-Maniac]

It sounds like Warner Bros has acknowledged the disappointments with aspects of the first movie when they said they will be putting in more action in the sequel and giving Superman the fight of his life against an arch-enemy.

Some people on here thought SR was perfect, that it could do no wrong, that it was fine as it was. So what is their reaction to the news of more action/fighting in the sequel? If they admit that it's needed, then they were lying when they said the first movie was perfect.

If anyone who LOVED SR is looking forward to an actionfest sequel, then they are acknowledging that the first movie mis-stepped in places...

And i wonder what else will change in the sequel, aside from the level of action...

 

[I Am The Knight]

I don't recall people saying it was perfect, but maybe I don't spend that much time here. I'm not always around.....So, yes, I loved the first movie as it is, but if they want to appeal to a wider demographic, more action is the way to go, and I wouldn't mind more action, at all. Hell, that's very welcome. Doesn't changes my feelings on SR.

 

[CConn]

Every movie has mis-steps somewhere. People (myself included) who think Batman Begins is the best comic book movie ever made still want to see things change, and improved upon in the sequel, and it's no different with SR for me.

Yeah, more action would be cool. I'd like to see a more modern interpretation of Lex Luthor as well. But that hardly affects my appreciation of SR. Just like the...choppy editing in the fight scenes in BB (or something like that) doesn't affect my enjoyment in that movie.

 

[GreenKToo]

I liked S.R..it wasnt perfect,but it was ALOT better(IMHO) than most C.B. movies released these days,and yes I want more action,with a supervillian.

 

[mclay18]

I loved the first movie. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing more action in the sequel, provided it doesn't detract from the overall storyline.

And I would like to see a new supervillain that's existed in the comics and animated series, but hasn't made appeared in any Superman movies yet.

 

[I Am The Knight]

They said a great villain from the DCU is coming. Darkseid, DARKSEID!!

 

[mclay18]

C'mon, we don't need another film about Superman's death and resurrection... we got that element already from SR. Darkseid is indeed a very cool villain, but I'd prefer something different.

Still, I wouldn't mind Darkseid if he was CGI and voiced by Michael Ironside.

 

[GreenKToo]

CGI or not,i'm not to worried about his look.Either way i'm sure they'll get it right.The voice is what I would be most worried about,its got to be perfect.

 

[I Am The Knight]

As long as he doesn't looks like The Thing in FF, I'm cool.

 

[BrollySupersj]

The type of fighting in the game, thats the kind of fighing I want for Superman. Epic and a pure smash fest.

 

[anubiscomplex]

It sounds like Warner Bros has acknowledged the disappointments with aspects of the first movie when they said they will be putting in more action in the sequel ....

If anyone who LOVED SR is looking forward to an actionfest sequel, then they are acknowledging that the first movie mis-stepped in places...

More action = more money in Special FX (at least in the case of a SUPERMAN movie. So if Warner Bros. want more action, why are they dishing out LESS budget for this sequal? (Considering the budget for the 1st movie and most of it went in to the 10 min. plane sequence & the little action we saw..

Also..I hope you are aware that sequals are supposed to be more intense than the 1st installment..so to expect more action in an ACTION COMIC movie is expected...NOT to say I felt the 1st movie was lacking. I'm sure those of us who loved SR where content with the love story, feel, and re-introduction of characters, and now feel the natural order of things is to expect more action. The real struggle in the first film was Supes' place in the world and in Lois' life. Now that he's accepted to road she chose, I suppose there are greater battles ahead..

 

[anubiscomplex]

I'de also like to add that being a comic book fan..
I'de say the premise of this sequal was perfectly set to introduce
BRAINIAC, being that there is now a NEW KRYPTON floating space near earth WITH all the crystal from the FOS. You guys need to give the ZOD premise a rest. SR is the next chapter AFTER SM II.. So the Zod idea is dead at this point.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

There needs to be more action:

-In the beginning. Let's get a Raiders/Superman II opening hook, where the audience gets hooked from the very beginning with a hugely exciting action scene that will put them on their feet cheering.

- Montage. I want to see more montage scenes of him saving people, not forgetting the little people of Metropolis that need saving from their own limitations or stupidity. Old woman in a burning kitchen, blind kid in traffic, etc. This is what made Reeve's Superman so great.

-And of course a grand finale that ends with Lex going to jail or some villian being banished to the Phantom Zone or thrown beyond the solar system by Superman.

 

[GreenKToo]

^ awesome stuff solid.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

I don't mind if they up the ante for the action, but I still want the same type of story in regards to tone and for the length of the picture not to have the X3 style of trimming. I loved SR. For me, it's just a slight notch below my favorite movie of all time to watch: Superman: The Movie. Even though STM is my favorite movie of all time to watch, there are still things I'd change about it with regards to the editing. I don't ever expect to watch a perfect comic adaption because I'm so damn high maintenance in that respect, that I never expect to be fully pleased with the final product...especially one involving Superman. The only other thing I'd want to really see is some of the old Bob Harman-style wire work that shows Superman doing running takeoffs and live-action landings that are pretty to see. I loved the SR FX-work, but I really missed those things. This became more apparent when watching the laugh-fest that is the first season of Superboy this past weekend. The show was laughably horrible, but the wire-work in some scenes was awesome.

 

[Superman \S/]

I liked what we saw in SR, but I agree with a lot of people here that we need more action. Though the plane sequence was awe inspiring, seriously, that was the only big seen we got in the first movie. I want a whole lot more action in the sequel. I mean, it's Superman damnit! I want him to be catching fallen buildings, stoping bullets, and a bunch more scenes we'd never even think we'd see in a Superman film.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I didn't love SR, and here's hoping the sequel has just as much action as the first.