Sequels "Going Wrath Of Khan":The Official MOS Action Thread

[Superman \S/]

Now that SR is done, I think we'll get what we've asked for in the sequel.

 

[M.O.Steel]

it's not perfect by any means...i liked it, but definitely what the action kicked up a notch.

 

[Motown Marvel]

i really liked SR, and i agree it could use some more action...though, i certainly dont want overlown action for the sake of having overblown action at the expense of having an actual story with character development and such.

i've heard everyones complaints about SR, and generally, i dont necessarily disagree with their gripes...but rather, the flaws didnt ruin the movie for me as much as it did for them.

 

[Kool-Aid]

Every movie has mis-steps somewhere. People (myself included) who think Batman Begins is the best comic book movie ever made

Why think? It is the best one ever made. It was added as the 11th commandment, that you need to waych it before you die.

 

[dark_b]

i really liked SR, and i agree it could use some more action...though, i certainly dont want overlown action for the sake of having overblown action at the expense of having an actual story with character development and such.

i've heard everyones complaints about SR, and generally, i dont necessarily disagree with their gripes...but rather, the flaws didnt ruin the movie for me as much as it did for them.

please be so good and explain me this. how do you know that in SR they didnt put action just to put it there? what if singer didnt want action and WB forced the action in the movie?

i hope you get what i am saying.

 

[Jasomius]

SR had the most iconic Superman action scenes ever seen on film. I'd like to see more of that.

 

[Motown Marvel]

please be so good and explain me this. how do you know that in SR they didnt put action just to put it there? what if singer didnt want action and WB forced the action in the movie?

i hope you get what i am saying.

and what im saying is i dont want some mindless jerry bruckheimer/michael bay glorified CGI eye candy action festival. i want the story to be every bit as strong as the action.

 

[dark_b]

SR had the most iconic Superman action scenes ever seen on film. I'd like to see more of that.

and it had what no movei ever had. it had teh best action sequence at the beginning of the movie. the first action scene was teh best one. i have never seen that.

 

[echostation]

i don't get it... 208 million bucks and this is all they did? Look I'm saying this as a SR liker, I actually liked the film quite a lot relative to what could have happened under Abrams, Burton and all past losers. But jeez, when i was sitting there watching things, what was such a huge huge disappointment was the two bit crap damage that New Krypton "unleashed" on Metropolis... oh yay, a few cracked roads, a falling globe, some fire underneathe the sewers... and like about what 50 people in dire danger? What an underwhelming turd of a climax/action set. Broken glass falls from one building, he burns them, joy. I mean with that sort of budget, there should have been bloody BUILDINGS falling with Superman lifting them out of the streets, Saving DOZENS of people at once, lifting cars here and there to moe them out to the side... Where the **** did the money go?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Motown!

i really liked SR, and i agree it could use some more action...though, i certainly dont want overlown action for the sake of having overblown action at the expense of having an actual story with character development and such.

You know, the delicious irony of your above comment is that Singer actually removed the Krypton sequence from the start of the movie (even though it was necessary for the plot), and kept in the whole young clark "bouncing around" sequence, just because it was 'cool' - not because it served any purpose.

 

[Upper_Krust]

i don't get it... 208 million bucks and this is all they did? Look I'm saying this as a SR liker, I actually liked the film quite a lot relative to what could have happened under Abrams, Burton and all past losers. But jeez, when i was sitting there watching things, what was such a huge huge disappointment was the two bit crap damage that New Krypton "unleashed" on Metropolis... oh yay, a few cracked roads, a falling globe, some fire underneathe the sewers... and like about what 50 people in dire danger? What an underwhelming turd of a climax/action set. Broken glass falls from one building, he burns them, joy. I mean with that sort of budget, there should have been bloody BUILDINGS falling with Superman lifting them out of the streets, Saving DOZENS of people at once, lifting cars here and there to moe them out to the side... Where the **** did the money go?

On the cutting room floor.

According to the report from one of the sfx designers working on Superman Returns, they ran out of budget before they actually did the sequences of the 'disaster'. Which is why it only looks like 50 people are in danger.

http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/2006/09/pirates-scribe-and-singerman-vfx.html

 

[X-Maniac]

On the cutting room floor.

According to the report from one of the sfx designers working on Superman Returns, they ran out of budget before they actually did the sequences of the 'disaster'. Which is why it only looks like 50 people are in danger.

http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/2006/09/pirates-scribe-and-singerman-vfx.html

Money is a big decider! It also impacts on other movies, including X3, where budget limited the final Alcatraz scenes in the same way that budget limited the impact of New Krypton....

 

[echostation]

yes but when you have 208 million... you should have KING KONG style epic effects, and battles and scale of destruction. That was a bloody 200 million dollar film.. that's what a 200+ million dollar film looks like

Superman Returns? How the **** did they run out of budget when hardly any of it could be seen on screen in the first place?

 

[echostation]

btw, I call bull**** on the whole Money budget issue... THIS is what he says about the REAL NATURE of the entire crappy third act:

But, here’s the problem… Bryan had a big thing with people not getting hurt. Even when we had to create CG debris falling off of the buildings, we had to make sure that it couldn’t be big enough to hurt anybody on the ground. He was very concerned that children watching the movie would be terrified by the violence, thus alienating a big portion of his perceived audience. What he got in return was a toothless, impotent third act. It’s pretty sad, actually.

Abs nothing to do with money at all... I'm not the biggest fan of bryan singer and while i still liked the film... This is absolute crap...

 

[bosef982]

It sounds like Warner Bros has acknowledged the disappointments with aspects of the first movie when they said they will be putting in more action in the sequel and giving Superman the fight of his life against an arch-enemy.

Some people on here thought SR was perfect, that it could do no wrong, that it was fine as it was. So what is their reaction to the news of more action/fighting in the sequel? If they admit that it's needed, then they were lying when they said the first movie was perfect.

If anyone who LOVED SR is looking forward to an actionfest sequel, then they are acknowledging that the first movie mis-stepped in places...

And i wonder what else will change in the sequel, aside from the level of action...

This is another pathetic attempt by X-Maniac to single out a group and provoke a fight -- of course this'll go undetected b the MODS since X-Maniac is a favorite of theirs.

Fact of the matter is, if one was to say, "I'm okay with the action that was in SR," X-Maniac will attack them with "That movie can do no wrong."

Despite me saying repeatedly that SR has a really chopped and nearly crippling first act, he'll persist to say that people who like this film can see it as doing no wrong --

Fact of the matter is, I thought SR's action was amazing and contextual. It was there when it needed, but story and character were paramount. I had no complaints. If there is more action in the second, so much the better since Singer has shown himself more than capalbe of intergrating action with plot and character. If it's the same as SR, so much the better too.

I would take conjecture with X-Maniacs oversimplifcation of WB's reaction. As far as we can tell -- considering that WB greenlit a sequel with Singer on board -- WB is more than pleased with what they got...if they weren't, they'd be firing Singer.

 

[bosef982]

There needs to be more action:

-In the beginning. Let's get a Raiders/Superman II opening hook, where the audience gets hooked from the very beginning with a hugely exciting action scene that will put them on their feet cheering.

- Montage. I want to see more montage scenes of him saving people, not forgetting the little people of Metropolis that need saving from their own limitations or stupidity. Old woman in a burning kitchen, blind kid in traffic, etc. This is what made Reeve's Superman so great.

-And of course a grand finale that ends with Lex going to jail or some villian being banished to the Phantom Zone or thrown beyond the solar system by Superman.

I honestly think SRII will parallel X2, especially in an amazing opening sequence.

 

[bosef982]

yes but when you have 208 million... you should have KING KONG style epic effects, and battles and scale of destruction. That was a bloody 200 million dollar film.. that's what a 200+ million dollar film looks like

Superman Returns? How the **** did they run out of budget when hardly any of it could be seen on screen in the first place?

Not with all the RnD

 

[ultimatefan]

I´d like to see it, but not a mindless nonstop action fest, which is what it seems some want.

 

[Visionary]

I'd like to see more of that sickly ass Superboy...

 

[explode7]

SR having more action wont solve the BO problem. What will solve the porblem is firing singer since he cant seem to let go a 20yrs plus vision from another man.

 

[griffolyon12]

I think SR was almost perfect,my only complaint was the lack of action.So this has me very psyched up for the sequel.But just because there is more action I don't want it to lose the high quality of the story from SR.SR is one of my favorite movie of all-time by just its story alone then that same story-quality with more action could make my favorite movie of all-time.I'm ready for the sequel.

 

[Robin91939]

Every movie has mis-steps somewhere. People (myself included) who think Batman Begins is the best comic book movie ever made still want to see things change, and improved upon in the sequel, and it's no different with SR for me.

Yeah, more action would be cool. I'd like to see a more modern interpretation of Lex Luthor as well. But that hardly affects my appreciation of SR. Just like the...choppy editing in the fight scenes in BB (or something like that) doesn't affect my enjoyment in that movie.

Agreed.

I want:
-Luthor to be in an office, controlling crime not directly commiting them (dressing up, stealing etc).

-More action if it is not in exchange for better story telling/character development. (Say- Doomsday just falls out of the sky in ACT III).

-Brainiac (I think he could deliver all the action and character for Superman- being from Krypton himself and if you go the TAS route, have him have had a hand in destroying the planet.)

The foundation of SUPERMAN RETURNS is great, its an awesome movie. But just like any awesome movie, you want the sequel to be better...nothings perfect, and I don't want them to stop making Superhero movies until they make the perfect one.

-R

 

[Jasomius]

and it had what no movei ever had. it had teh best action sequence at the beginning of the movie. the first action scene was teh best one. i have never seen that.

Sr should have compensated for that with a captivating story that complemented it, but we only saw the potential. This is why i'm glad the next film is getting a smaller budget, Singer will have to focus on the story.

 

[X-Maniac]

This is another pathetic attempt by X-Maniac to single out a group and provoke a fight -- of course this'll go undetected b the MODS since X-Maniac is a favorite of theirs.

Fact of the matter is, if one was to say, "I'm okay with the action that was in SR," X-Maniac will attack them with "That movie can do no wrong."

Despite me saying repeatedly that SR has a really chopped and nearly crippling first act, he'll persist to say that people who like this film can see it as doing no wrong --

Fact of the matter is, I thought SR's action was amazing and contextual. It was there when it needed, but story and character were paramount. I had no complaints. If there is more action in the second, so much the better since Singer has shown himself more than capalbe of intergrating action with plot and character. If it's the same as SR, so much the better too.

I would take conjecture with X-Maniacs oversimplifcation of WB's reaction. As far as we can tell -- considering that WB greenlit a sequel with Singer on board -- WB is more than pleased with what they got...if they weren't, they'd be firing Singer.

Not at all Bosef. In fact I wanted people like you to answer the question.

To admit that more action was needed would be admitting that SR disappointed in that regard, surely?

Would you want more action? Would you want more of the same as in SR (where the best action sequence - the plane - was near the start of the movie!!!). SR did have action, it lacked dynamism in places and a one-on-one superbattle. Which is surprising as Bryan gave us those in the X-Men movies.

 

[Jasomius]

Not at all Bosef. In fact I wanted people like you to answer the question.

To admit that more action was needed would be admitting that SR disappointed in that regard, surely?

Would you want more action? Would you want more of the same as in SR (where the best action sequence - the plane - was near the start of the movie!!!). SR did have action, it lacked dynamism in places and a one-on-one superbattle. Which is surprising as Bryan gave us those in the X-Men movies.

Sr didn't NEED a one-on-one superbattle. In regards to action it didn't need much of anything. It needed to be more emotionally invested.

You could argue that a one-on-one superbattle would deliver emotion, but something tells me you don't mean that.