Goyer says All DC films at Warner Bros. are on Hold

[cerealkiller182]

Whys it Nolans fault?

 

[jmc]

^ Because somehow his decision to do a grounded Batman film that has made millions seems to have killed off any chance of solo films for other characters to be made. Good old fanboy logic, yeah, Nolan's the one to blame for the lack of GL or FL films being made.

 

[Spade]

This has BS to do with Nolan and anyone with sense knows it. Filmmakers have the right to request that their property not cross over with others unless the premise states it must. The excuse that Nolan wanted to do a secluded Batman story was dubious enough for the Justice League production. It stopped being relevant at all once Warner Bros. made it clear that they had no intention of taking a risk on any of the other properties in the immediate future. That's not Christopher Nolan's fault. It's the WB's. There's no reason why they can't develop solo films that lightly tie into each other nor is there a reason why they should risk confusing or alienating the audience by rushing team films into production without the slightest clue what these characters are about.

 

[TheVileOne]

Why does WB need another level of bureaucracy? The head of production still is going to make the final call and I fail to see the purpose of another division. It's not like WB has a division of Drama. Or a division of Harry Potter. Or a division of Comedy. Heck, WB just collapsed New Line into them.

You call it bureacracy, but look at what Marvel Studios has done.

The problem is that the people running the show don't know what they are doing. They don't get the DC Comic properties, and they don't have the best interests at heart.

I'm saying, clean the slate. Get rid of the current guys in charge, and put in charge people who can make these things happen and work with DC.

What they need is someone that the head of production respects that can make a good case for comic book films and can explain why the direction they're going in is the right direction. It doesn't even need to be the only job the guy does, but finding an executive that's a DC fan and giving him some area of responsibility in development makes a whole lot more sense than a division devoted to a couple of films a year, the biggest franchise of which is functioning just fine without need of a new division.

It's not enough. They need a studio division.

 

[FaT_tONle]

So now people are blaming Nolan??? The one guy who has produced WB's only real hit with their superhero genre thus far? That's a joke...

Lemme just say one thing... I don't know why you guys think it is such a big deal to get Bale in a JLA movie. The character has been recasted how many times thus far? I kind of lost count... Look... Bale/Nolan won't be a part of it... who cares? It's not that big a deal it really isn't. I still think the guy they will get to play Batman will be grounded to a believable level regardless of how far out there the plot is. I wouldn't rule out realistic Batman type villains in a JL movie either... villains that may even have a connection to Nolan's films... like Talia Al Ghul. The key will be getting the other movies off the ground and CONNECTING those movies... from the beginning. Like Marvel is doing. Whether its Superman/GL/WW... whoever... one of those franchises has to be the launching pad for the rest... most likely Superman. Then you can go from there... that is obviously the first step. Getting Bale/Nolan involved is a pipe dream... let that pass and move on.

 

[Spade]

I think you can get Nolan and Bale involved, but you need to develop the other properties and come up with a long term plan before you do. You're not going to impress these guys with the idea of a Batman who can exist in the same universe as Superman, the Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman with a hastily put together outline at best. Nolan has already said that he's open to the idea in the future because it's worked in the books.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I think you can get Nolan and Bale involved, but you need to develop the other properties and come up with a long term plan before you do. You're not going to impress these guys with the idea of a Batman who can exist in the same universe as Superman, the Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman with a hastily put together outline at best. Nolan has already said that he's open to the idea in the future because it's worked in the books.

Yeah I doubt it... to do that you need to get all the other movies in line with Nolan's universe... that is too difficult. I'd prefer if Batman just came in and did his own thing during the JL movie... people can accept that. The actor is not that important. Considering that they have to do all the other solo movies first... if/when JLA it is made... it will be years after the last Nolan film.

 

[Heretic]

Marvel is schooling DC on this. JLA should wait until the characters are fully formed. You cant just throw lesser known characters into a movie and expect 400 million at the box office. Wow...its Green Somebody and Flash Gordon or something and theres this Martian guy and...yeah, cant wait!

Let Nolan tell his freaking stories...and though this may sound mind-blowing to a tudi exec...MAKE OTHER FILMS. You can establish Flash and Wonder Woman and Green Lantern and...another mindblowing concept...MAKE THEM GOOD. If the quality is there and Nolan isnt interfered with, perhaps eventually hed think it would be fun (and thee right time in batmans career) to cross over. Im just guessing here, but part of the reason why Nolan is so protective over his universe is probably because he saw Steel, Catwoman and the concept of a slapstick comedy Green Lantern and didnt want his ideas messed with by stuff like that.

 

[cerealkiller182]

^ Because somehow his decision to do a grounded Batman film that has made millions seems to have killed off any chance of solo films for other characters to be made. Good old fanboy logic, yeah, Nolan's the one to blame for the lack of GL or FL films being made.

Yeah, but you do get like 5 different people ready to put down that kinda stupid cynical logic too

Yeah I doubt it... to do that you need to get all the other movies in line with Nolan's universe... that is too difficult. I'd prefer if Batman just came in and did his own thing during the JL movie... people can accept that. The actor is not that important. Considering that they have to do all the other solo movies first... if/when JLA it is made... it will be years after the last Nolan film.

I disagree. Not that it would be difficult but that the other movies have to align themselves. I'd say the solos have every right in the world to be what they want, but can be arranged into a team movie. Its not as if Batman becomes superhuman when he joins the JLA. HE shows up, uses kung fu and detective skills, and he goes back to mobsters and scarred criminals in Gotham no problem. Part of the JLA's draw is similar to Avengers, these characters from different realms team up.

 

[Showtime]

The think is, WB has is gaining more and more sway as each day passes in regards to their comicbook properties. The unbelievable success of the Dark Knight has bought them some time to get everything lined up the way they want it.

 

[protocida]

I would like to see Christian Bale's Batman in a Justice League movie, but that could't happen. In his own universe, that Batman is a badass, but, in a movie with Superman and Wonder-Woman, i think he'd be too weak, and Bale, as far as i see, is not a big fan of superhero Batman, so, i doubt he'd be a part of it. But i think the JLA movie should be made, and Batman should be in it. He's been a member since the late 60s. He must be in it.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I would like to see Christian Bale's Batman in a Justice League movie, but that could't happen. In his own universe, that Batman is a badass, but, in a movie with Superman and Wonder-Woman, i think he'd be too weak, and Bale, as far as i see, is not a big fan of superhero Batman, so, i doubt he'd be a part of it. But i think the JLA movie should be made, and Batman should be in it. He's been a member since the late 60s. He must be in it.

I dont agree, cause the cool thing about Batman was seeing him excel and keep up with Superman and Wonder Woman without powers. I dont want what people have dubbed "Bat-god" but I want a Batman who is on the JLA and does his own thing in relation to the Nolan continuity. I dont think its impossible

 

[protocida]

I'm not saying Batman should have superpowers or something like that, but Nolan's Batman, for me, would't be capable of holding up to other superheroes. He has a hard time with dogs, how is he supposed to fight White Martians or Omacs without becoming the Comic book Batman?

 

[FaT_tONle]

I think as Batman gets older in Nolan's films the technology will come. Don't be surpised if we get the Batwing or at the very least the Batmobile in the third film. We already had sonars and **** in TDK... that isn't the problem. But the idea that it HAS TO BE Nolan's Batman to be successful is ridiculous.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I'm not saying Batman should have superpowers or something like that, but Nolan's Batman, for me, would't be capable of holding up to other superheroes. He has a hard time with dogs, how is he supposed to fight White Martians or Omacs without becoming the Comic book Batman?

Superhuman support. He still has brains and stealth above the others who pretty much just blitz the enemy (there is a little more to it but you get the idea). JLU used him very well. You had the superhumans fighting the enemies, but Batman was also tinkering with the enemies stuff or in one of his vehicles or interrogate enemies. I could see him riding the tumbler with Superman and Flash by his side

 

[cerealkiller182]

I think as Batman gets older in Nolan's films the technology will come. Don't be surpised if we get the Batwing or at the very least the Batmobile in the third film. We already had sonars and **** in TDK... that isn't the problem. But the idea that it HAS TO BE Nolan's Batman to be successful is ridiculous.

I never said HAS TO BE. But i want it to be. I think it would be cooler and better and the speedbump that many think is unavoidable i think is much smaller and negotiable than anyone will give it credit for.

 

[Evil Twin]

It's not enough. They need a studio division.

You keep saying that, but a division is a big deal. Why does WB need a division for 1 to perhaps 3 movies a year, if we're including Vertigo? And, what's the point, when they'll be answerable to the head of production, anyways? The same head of production that's running things now? Other than having a few highly paid executives, what's going to change?

Frankly, I can tell that there aren't many people here that have had any experience in real business. A Division isn't a magic bullet answer to anything in a corporation like WB.

And, don't think that WB is going to fire their highly successful head of production just because fanboys are whining that they're not getting their superhero movies fast enough. It's not WB's mission statement to make successful superhero movies, but to make successful movies in a wide variety of genres. Something that WB is among the best at in the world.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I dont agree, cause the cool thing about Batman was seeing him excel and keep up with Superman and Wonder Woman without powers. I dont want what people have dubbed "Bat-god" but I want a Batman who is on the JLA and does his own thing in relation to the Nolan continuity. I dont think its impossible

It's not impossible, but apparently it makes some people uncomfortable.

 

[jmc]

The think is, WB has is gaining more and more sway as each day passes in regards to their comicbook properties. The unbelievable success of the Dark Knight has bought them some time to get everything lined up the way they want it.

True, but it's not going to happen overnight. Fans want the whole 'crossover thing' now. As someone above said, the focus should be on making quality films first and foremost. To DC fans whining about what Marvel are doing, I say let Marvel do their thing, let them play it safe and produce a series of films that leaves little room for expansion. Let WB focus on making great films with great story, depth and characters. Crossovers and Team ups need to be the last thing on people's minds.

 

[TwilightPro101]

True, but it's not going to happen overnight. Fans want the whole 'crossover thing' now. As someone above said, the focus should be on making quality films first and foremost. To DC fans whining about what Marvel are doing, I say let Marvel do their thing, let them play it safe and produce a series of films that leaves little room for expansion. Let WB focus on making great films with great story, depth and characters. Crossovers and Team ups need to be the last thing on people's minds.

Totally agree.

 

[Showtime]

True, but it's not going to happen overnight. Fans want the whole 'crossover thing' now. As someone above said, the focus should be on making quality films first and foremost. To DC fans whining about what Marvel are doing, I say let Marvel do their thing, let them play it safe and produce a series of films that leaves little room for expansion. Let WB focus on making great films with great story, depth and characters. Crossovers and Team ups need to be the last thing on people's minds.

This hasn't exactly been overnight, they've had a long time since Superman Returns left theaters, not to mention the development of Green Lantern. They already have been taking their time.

 

[ANTOINE X]

True, but it's not going to happen overnight. Fans want the whole 'crossover thing' now. As someone above said, the focus should be on making quality films first and foremost. To DC fans whining about what Marvel are doing, I say let Marvel do their thing, let them play it safe and produce a series of films that leaves little room for expansion. Let WB focus on making great films with great story, depth and characters. Crossovers and Team ups need to be the last thing on people's minds.

Totally disagree. Enough about the excuses as why they need more time to make movies. WB aint a newbi. When it comes of making Supero movies.They ve been in the industry way before Marvel. + making a good movie is not about having more time but more about who is the writer who is the actors and who is the directer& producer.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Maybe DC just doesn't feel they can compete with the other tentpoles these days in regards to their characters... SR was destroyed by POTC and outgrossed by even X-3. There are a million and one active summer franchises right now that have to be reckoned with. Maybe they don't feel that either GL or Supes can hold his own. I have said it once... I'll keep saying it... Marvel can't keep this up forever. Once Marvel starts making pure crap that flops (and even though X-3/SM3 were bad, they still made decent money)... then would be a good time for DC to make their move. Now isn't that time.

 

[Chewy]

True, but it's not going to happen overnight. Fans want the whole 'crossover thing' now. As someone above said, the focus should be on making quality films first and foremost. To DC fans whining about what Marvel are doing, I say let Marvel do their thing, let them play it safe and produce a series of films that leaves little room for expansion. Let WB focus on making great films with great story, depth and characters. Crossovers and Team ups need to be the last thing on people's minds.

I was with you until this. Marvel isn't playing it safe. Hiring Downey as the star of a $150 million+ budgeted film wasn't a "safe" decision. Making a Thor film isn't "playing it safe". And what does "little room for expansion" mean? You're implying that these films won't be great because of the crossovers. The crossovers are what the fans are talking about because they're exciting, but they're not what Marvel and their writers are focusing on. They're focusing on the stories - otherwise they wouldn't have hired Kenneth ****ing Branagh.

Jesus, does every thread need to have stupid anti-Marvel crap thrown into it?

 

[FaT_tONle]

I was with you until this. Marvel isn't playing it safe. Hiring Downey as the star of a $150 million+ budgeted film wasn't a "safe" decision. Making a Thor film isn't "playing it safe". And what does "little room for expansion" mean? You're implying that these films won't be great because of the crossovers. The crossovers are what the fans are talking about because they're exciting, but they're not what Marvel and their writers are focusing on. They're focusing on the stories - otherwise they wouldn't have hired Kenneth ****ing Branagh.

Jesus, does every thread need to have stupid anti-Marvel crap thrown into it?

I agree with this sentiment for the most part, but to be fair... Marvel really did not go that far outside the box. The 150 million dollar budget is mandatory for most tentpoles these days. Both IM/TIH were safe, formulaic films. I don't see how that could mean little room for expansion since they are setting things up for the whole "universe"... but I think it has worked thus far since these are new characters and **** people have not seen before. I think the formula will work up until the Avengers movie... but after that is anyone's guess.