Greatest Rock Band Of All Time???

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Well calling pretty much anything on radio one 'music', seems like a crime to me. There is the pyramid of skilled guitarists, that is generally agreed on,


Hendrix
Gallagher Santana



Then after this, we have several bands etc, but this is the greatness of guitarists, so any true guitarists will cite at least one of these.

I don't listen to the radio, so I wouldn't know.

 

[The Chairman]

I never said they had no influence. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I said most bands aren't totally influenced by them.

Wrong again. Most bands aren't influenced by them? I think not.

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

An incredibly biased view at rock and roll. May I ask what qualifies as strictly rock? Because there's no such thing. Rock and roll is a very broad genre: hard rock, soft rock, pop rock, prog rock, punk rock, etc. There's no such thing as strictly rock.

Exactly why Floyd should be in here.

 

[The Chairman]

Exactly why Floyd should be in here.

Agreed.

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Wrong again. Most bands aren't influenced by them? I think not.

Well, I figure there's no way to find out, so let's just agree to disagree and not come to the conclusion that I am wrong. Because that's just your opinion.

 

[WilcofanAshes]

An incredibly biased view at rock and roll. May I ask what qualifies as strictly rock? Because there's no such thing. Rock and roll is a very broad genre: hard rock, soft rock, pop rock, prog rock, punk rock, etc. There's no such thing as strictly rock.

That's a good question. I'm comfortable just choosing between the Stones and Zepplin, but if we're going to broaden the definition then I would say that Floyd trumps them both, hands down.

 

[Cyrusbales]

An incredibly biased view at rock and roll. May I ask what qualifies as strictly rock? Because there's no such thing. Rock and roll is a very broad genre: hard rock, soft rock, pop rock, prog rock, punk rock, etc. There's no such thing as strictly rock.

Well pink floyd are.....well....something else, they created a genre for themselves! I personally don't like them, but respect them for musicians and influence. They are not rock, they are definately psychadelic artsy stuff, rather than rock, they used to call it contemporary in the 70's.

They are not rock though, and not quite in the league with stones and zeppelin

 

[The Chairman]

That's a good question. I'm comfortable just choosing between the Stones and Zepplin, but if we're going to broaden the definition then I would say that Floyd trumps them both, hands down.

Floyd might have been better musically than The Rolling Stones, but Zeppelin deserves more credit. I mean, considering they pretty much invented heavy metal as well as IMO influenced the greatest number of bands, I don't know it's up for debate.

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Well pink floyd are.....well....something else, they created a genre for themselves! I personally don't like them, but respect them for musicians and influence. They are not rock, they are definately psychadelic artsy stuff, rather than rock, they used to call it contemporary in the 70's.

They are not rock though, and not quite in the league with stones and zeppelin

They're rock. Everything that you might not consider rock, besides obvious genres like jazz and country and rap, etc, is a form of rock. You can't define rock to one specific genre.

 

[The Chairman]

Well pink floyd are.....well....something else, they created a genre for themselves! I personally don't like them, but respect them for musicians and influence. They are not rock, they are definately psychadelic artsy stuff, rather than rock, they used to call it contemporary in the 70's.

They are not rock though, and not quite in the league with stones and zeppelin

NOT ROCK? Pink Floyd did not create a genre for themselves. They're essentially psychedelia, albeit a much deeper and more broader form of it. Pyschedelia is form of rock.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I think stones kinda invented rock, along with a few other bands, so they kinda deserve the title I think. Although I generally prefer zeppelin at the moment, but Stones are so key in social and musical development in the last 50 years

 

[WilcofanAshes]

Well pink floyd are.....well....something else, they created a genre for themselves! I personally don't like them, but respect them for musicians and influence. They are not rock, they are definately psychadelic artsy stuff, rather than rock, they used to call it contemporary in the 70's.

They are not rock though, and not quite in the league with stones and zeppelin

You've got to be kidding. Psychadelic artsy stuff? You may have forgotten that music itself is infact "art" and Floyd brought rock to a level never imagined by anyone before them. The are without a doubt one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time. The greatest, IMO. If you can't put them in the same league as the stones and zeppelin then you haven't heard enough of their music.

 

[The Chairman]

I think stones kinda invented rock, along with a few other bands, so they kinda deserve the title I think. Although I generally prefer zeppelin at the moment, but Stones are so key in social and musical development in the last 50 years

Once again, wrong, rock and roll did not start with The Rolling Stones. By saying that, you're ignoring a good 10 - 15 years of music that would qualify as true rock: Elvis, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, Bill Haley & The Comets and a great deal more.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Once again, wrong, rock and roll did not start with The Rolling Stones. By saying that, you're ignoring a good 10 - 15 years of music that would qualify as true rock: Elvis, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, Bill Haley & The Comets and a great deal more.

I said rock, which is the evolution of rock n roll, which derived from swing.

 

[The Chairman]

I said rock, which is the evolution of rock n roll, which derived from swing.

Rock and roll and rock are the same thing.

 

[WilcofanAshes]

Floyd might have been better musically than The Rolling Stones, but Zeppelin deserves more credit. I mean, considering they pretty much invented heavy metal as well as IMO influenced the greatest number of bands, I don't know it's up for debate.

I think both Floyd and Zeppelin, in their own right, developed new genres and paved the way for a great number of bands out there today. Floyd had a huge hand in leading to bands like Radiohead, the Pixies, Broken Social Scene, the Mars Volts (lots of Zeppelin in them too), etc. as Zeppelin influenced a great number of heavier acts. Myself, prefering a kind of mellower, more melodic sound, I like Floyd more, but there is no denying that Zeppelin was an astounding band.

 

[Cyrusbales]

You've got to be kidding. Psychadelic artsy stuff? You may have forgotten that music itself is infact "art" and Floyd brought rock to a level never imagined by anyone before them. The are without a doubt one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time. The greatest, IMO. If you can't put them in the same league as the stones and zeppelin then you haven't heard enough of their music.

I grew up on a healthy diet of rory gallagher, stones, kinks, zeppelin, floyd, fairport convention, country joe, hendrix, jeffersen airplane, black sabbath, loudon wainwright III. And I've heard pretty much everything by all of the above artists, repeatedly.

So i've definately heard enough of the artists in question.

 

[The Chairman]

I think both Floyd and Zeppelin, in their own right, developed new genres and paved the way for a great number of bands out there today. Floyd had a huge hand in leading to bands like Radiohead, the Pixies, Broken Social Scene, the Mars Volts (lots of Zeppelin in them too), etc. as Zeppelin influenced a great number of heavier acts. Myself, prefering a kind of mellower, more melodic sound, I like Floyd more, but there is no denying that Zeppelin was an astounding band.

I completely agree with you. I like Zeppelin better, but I will in no way deny Floyd's influence. I love Floyd as well.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Rock and roll and rock are the same thing.

I'm afraid they are not, Johnny cash is nothing like zeppelin. Chuck berry is nothing like stones. As much as I love the artists above, they are not rock. Rock and roll is more 'swingy' than rock,

 

[The Chairman]

I'm afraid they are not, Johnny cash is nothing like zeppelin. Chuck berry is nothing like stones. As much as I love the artists above, they are not rock. Rock and roll is more 'swingy' than rock,

Okay, this I have to laught at. Which artist do you think had a bigger infleunce on The Rolling Stones' early music? You clearly don't know what the **** you're talking about.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Okay, this I have to laught at. Which artist do you think had a bigger infleunce on The Rolling Stones' early music? You clearly don't know what the **** you're talking about.

The stones early music was primarily blues, Muddy waters was cited as their biggest influence, and rightfully so, I have loadsa muddy waters! But the stones combined blues with the rock and roll to get blues rock and rock, which is where the evolution took place. They played blues with rock n roll instruments etc, which gave way to their unique sound, which was the first real rock.

 

[The Chairman]

The stones early music was primarily blues, Muddy waters was cited as their biggest influence, and rightfully so, I have loadsa muddy waters! But the stones combined blues with the rock and roll to get blues rock and rock, which is where the evolution took place. They played blues with rock n roll instruments etc, which gave way to their unique sound, which was the first real rock.

The Rolling Stones and just about every major 1960s' rock band was influenced by Chuck Berry. The Rolling Stones' first single was a cover of a Chuck Berry song. Keith himself has nothing but praise for the man.

 

[Cyrusbales]

The Rolling Stones and just about every major 1960s' rock band was influenced by Chuck Berry. The Rolling Stones' first single was a cover of a Chuck Berry song. Keith himself has nothing but praise for the man.

Granted, but when asked their no.1 influence they cited muddy waters, which pioneered the mainstreamisation and acceptance of blues in america.

 

[WilcofanAshes]

I grew up on a healthy diet of rory gallagher, stones, kinks, zeppelin, floyd, fairport convention, country joe, hendrix, jeffersen airplane, black sabbath, loudon wainwright III. And I've heard pretty much everything by all of the above artists, repeatedly.

So i've definately heard enough of the artists in question.

Wow, that's a pretty extensive library, does it come with an honorary doctorate in music? Listen, I understand your defense of the Rolling Stones, I love their music too. The first concert I ever saw was The Stones in Detroit during the Steel Wheels tour when I was 8 years old and based on a number of the musicians you've noted I would say that you and I had a very similar musical upbringing (though I spent a lot of time listening to old blues like Skip James, Robert Johnson, etc. aswell). My only problem with the Stones is that they should have quit a long time ago. They've discredited themselves by playing out as long as they have.

 

[The Chairman]

Granted, but when asked their no.1 influence they cited muddy waters, which pioneered the mainstreamisation and acceptance of blues in america.

It still does not, in any way, justify the Chuck Berry comment. Behind Dylan and Elvis, he is bar none the most influential solo artist in the history of rock, and you pretentiously downplaying his influence.