Green Lantern Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 1

[Poni_Boy]

Not true, infact WETA was pioneering in developing some of the AI used in their CGI. The biggest example being MASSIVE (Multiple Agent Simulation System in Virtual Environment), which WETA created for Lord of the Rings. Because Jackson had to film these large battle scenes there had to be away to program the CGI characters to act in a certain way.

Now compare that to the infinitely smaller scale Oa "group hug" scene. Sony ImageWorks used the 30 alien lanterns that Neville Page created and simply played Mr. Potato Head with them. Salaakk's arms on Boodikka's head, Stel's body on Kilowog's legs. Would WETA have done that? I think not

 

[moviedoors]

experience?

you think that artist dont jump from one company to another company? some artist at Sony sometimes worked at WETA and some at ILM. some artist from ILM are now at Sony. and so on.

software? when building characters and objects they all use the same software.

What? No they don't. When Avatar started out sourcing FX scenes to other companies, WETA did not share their character software with other companies because it's proprietary. You're just making things up now.

 

[Tony Stark]

"amateurs" is a little much. Most of the crew are talented, some even won Oscars. The problem is the lack of a proper vision.

I didn't say they were amateurs, Martin Campbell, and Stuart Baird certainly aren't amateurs. I'm saying the way the movie was thrown together made it look like it was done by amateurs.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I just think that Campbell was the wrong man for the job. He didn't know what to do with the material.

 

[KangConquers]

Eh. Speaking personally, and as a geek, I've never cared about Wonder Woman. I always thought she was a silly character.

One problem that Silver admitted about Wonderwoman was trying to find a good story for the movie; she doesn't have the dozens of good stories Batman and Superman have or even the 15-20 good stories GL has. I've yet to hear DC fans universally rally behind a single Wonderwoman Trade as a definitive story or a greatest graphic novel of all time.


That's what hurts so much about Green Lantern flopping; he may only be a top 5 or 6 DC character, but in terms of great story arcs that would translate well on screen, only Batman and Superman can hold a candle to him. The fact that they couldn't make Green Lantern work makes me think that Wonderwoman, Flash, and Aquaman would be laughing stocks.

 

[Octoberist]

I just think that Campbell was the wrong man for the job. He didn't know what to do with the material.

I've always felt there was a disconnection with him and the entire Green Lantern property in interviews.

 

[The Morningstar]

I've always felt there was a disconnection with him and the entire Green Lantern property in interviews.

Yea, him saying things like "we're trying to ground it" just made no sense what-so-ever for a property such as this.

 

[dark_b]

What? No they don't. When Avatar started out sourcing FX scenes to other companies, WETA did not share their character software with other companies because it's proprietary. You're just making things up now.

i wrotte character and object building. you are writting about propriety software for animation .bug difference. for creating characters they use the same software.

and i dont see why WETA would share their their software for facial animation when WETA was doing the na'vi.

 

[dark_b]

I just think that Campbell was the wrong man for the job. He didn't know what to do with the material.

i think he was right for the job. but like Phil from TMT said . he needs a strong script. i dont think you need experience with comicbook movies to make a comicbook movie. it looks like both Cambell and Reynolds signed for the paycheck. nothing wrong with that.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Now compare that to the infinitely smaller scale Oa "group hug" scene. Sony ImageWorks used the 30 alien lanterns that Neville Page created and simply played Mr. Potato Head with them. Salaakk's arms on Boodikka's head, Stel's body on Kilowog's legs. Would WETA have done that? I think not

Ugh. I guess that this sticks out like a sore thumb once someone watches the movie.

 

[moviedoors]

i wrotte character and object building. you are writting about propriety software for animation .bug difference. for creating characters they use the same software.

and i dont see why WETA would share their their software for facial animation when WETA was doing the na'vi.

Uh, no it's the exact same thing. The character software was the propriety software. It's the software WETA pioneered on Lord of the Rings and King Kong. The character work is what made WETA the giant they are. All the outsourcing was for backgrounds, ships, and mechs. WETA did ALL of the Na'vi. They didn't share one line of code for characters.

You're just straight wrong. This is not a matter of opinion. Gracefully admit your mistake, and bow out of this argument.

 

[Raiden]

Now compare that to the infinitely smaller scale Oa "group hug" scene. Sony ImageWorks used the 30 alien lanterns that Neville Page created and simply played Mr. Potato Head with them. Salaakk's arms on Boodikka's head, Stel's body on Kilowog's legs. Would WETA have done that? I think not

Once DVD comes out with GL, I think we'll be able to freeze frame this scene and really see what Sony ImageWorks did with those GL Corps aliens.

 

[Tony Stark]

i think he was right for the job. but like Phil from TMT said . he needs a strong script. i dont think you need experience with comicbook movies to make a comicbook movie. it looks like both Cambell and Reynolds signed for the paycheck. nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with that, but I expect that if a sequel is made they will both bail (Campbell already said he would), and so will Mark Strong, who was the only good thing about the movie.

 

[dark_b]

Nothing wrong with that, but I expect that if a sequel is made they will both bail (Campbell already said he would), and so will Mark Strong, who was the only good thing about the movie.

Cambell said weeks ago that he would not do the sequel. Reynolds will be back if the paycheck is right.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Cambell said weeks ago that he would not do the sequel. Reynolds will be back if the paycheck is right.

No, he never said that. It was implied in the article that he did not want to return for a sequel but it was not a quote from him. Plus he has first option on it if it gets greenlit

 

[Tony Stark]

Well, it's all conjecture, because there's little chance of a sequel being "green"lit (how ironic lol!)

But the point I am making is when a film bombs like this actors have their reputations and they don't want them to be associated with failure. Bana left after Hulk, Affleck left after Daredevil, etc, etc,

Very unlikely any of those folks will be brought back, if it does get a sequel.

 

[TheVileOne]

There isn't going to be a sequel.

 

[Tony Stark]

There isn't going to be a sequel.

Yeah considering this will make less than G.I. Joe, I think we can probably discount it.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not saying the franchise is dead. We've seen WB go back to the well before. But this particular one is dead. This is pretty much worst case scenario. Even the WB distribution guy on BOM was saying, "If we make $5 million on Monday all is forgiven." Are you kidding me? Sounds like damage control to me.

The numbers aren't going to be pretty with Cars 2 coming out this week. Like Favreau says, this will be the bloodiest summer ever.

 

[jacobed]

yeah Favreau was definitely right there. Cars 2 doesn't even get time to breathe because Transformers will be out next Tuesday.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Subjective (The CGI suits being unnecessary).

One problem that Silver admitted about Wonderwoman was trying to find a good story for the movie; she doesn't have the dozens of good stories Batman and Superman have or even the 15-20 good stories GL has. I've yet to hear DC fans universally rally behind a single Wonderwoman Trade as a definitive story or a greatest graphic novel of all time.


That's what hurts so much about Green Lantern flopping; he may only be a top 5 or 6 DC character, but in terms of great story arcs that would translate well on screen, only Batman and Superman can hold a candle to him. The fact that they couldn't make Green Lantern work makes me think that Wonderwoman, Flash, and Aquaman would be laughing stocks.

I think the Flash would be much more accessible than GL for the general public, personally. GL has a concept that requires lots of explanation and elements of Sci-Fi that have to be done right to be accessible for everyone. In this case, that connection with the audience didn't happen. Flash is a much more grounded character. He is simple to explain, has Spider-Man's charm and wit, and has the light-hearted tone of something like a Star Trek. I think Flash would have been a much safer movie for WB to make. Plus, the Flash has a great gallery of villains. GL's gallery has gotten better over time, but a character like Hector Hammond just doesn't translate as well as some of the villains someone like the Flash would have an easier time doing. Aquaman and Wonder Woman I agree are more problematic to approach and hard to get an audience behind them, but Flash I don't think would be all that hard.

 

[craigdbfan]

I just think that Campbell was the wrong man for the job. He didn't know what to do with the material.

I've always felt there was a disconnection with him and the entire Green Lantern property in interviews.

Yea, him saying things like "we're trying to ground it" just made no sense what-so-ever for a property such as this.

He was definitely not the man for this job. I keep saying that he is probably one of the main problems. Some people are giving major flak to WB which is understandable to a degree but they gave him all the resources to make this possible and he screwed up big time.

Then again WB ruined the movie by churning out a terrible script due to hiring subpar screenwriters for this project.

The people who should have been involved should of had a passion and a general know how in the sci fi genre in general.

So many things went wrong. I know the "concept" of Green Lantern isn't to farfetched or flawed because people have gone with even more fantastical ideas in films in the past its just that the execution was dirt poor.

 

[dnno1]

Looks like the final count for the weekend was over $53 million domestic and over $70 million world wide for Green Lantern.

 

[mclay18]

Also, WETA was on board to do the effects but after the left NZ the company pulled out since they were not going to pack all their **** and move to New Orleans

It's like you're implying that every NZ-shot film could use WETA. You've apparently missed the fact that several film productions never shot a frame of footage in NZ/Australia, but got WETA to do CGI work. Productions like X-Men: The Last Stand, Eragon, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, and X-Men: First Class for example got WETA to do some key CGI scenes.

Your argument doesn't hold water.

 

[Poni_Boy]

It's like you're implying that every NZ-shot film could use WETA. You've apparently missed the fact that several film productions never shot a frame of footage in NZ/Australia, but got WETA to do CGI work. Productions like X-Men: The Last Stand, Eragon, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, and X-Men: First Class for example got WETA to do some key CGI scenes.

Your argument doesn't hold water.

Jesus Christ relax, especially since you don't have the facts. WETA was finalizing their deal with WB for GL when production was slated for New Zealand. The reason WETA was NOT going to follow GL across the world was because they are too busy utilizing their major resources for The Hobbit. Since the GL cast and crew were going to be in the company's backyard it facilitated their work on the film. Once production moved to New Orleans to save a couple of bucks, WETA pulled out.

Now you know