'H2', Rob Zombie's sequel to 'Halloween'

[Nightmare]

I forgot, there was a nice little scene between Laurie and a shrink at the start of the film that Sheriff Brackett is making her see. She talks about missing her parents and it falls into that dysfunctional family dynamic that I thought had potential.

Heh, its funny Cause when i saw that scene. The shrink looked soo familiar. I just couldnt place it. I went home after and looked up on IMDB. It was Lois Lane from the superman movies.

 

[Nivek]

I prefer my SLASHER flicks to have substance. That scene contributed absolutely nothing to the movie and was only there for shock value...but keep rolling your eyes at me.

Sorry, but it sounds like you want a film called a Thriller, not the horror sub-genre classified as a Slasher Film. In this genre, entrails, blood gysers, and Dog eating can be perfectly acceptable.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

I prefer my SLASHER flicks to have substance. (An actual plot, and not just shock gore put in to replace a plot.) That scene contributed absolutely nothing to the movie and was only there for shock value...but keep rolling your eyes at me.

I thought it was there to match Laurie eating the pizza? And to show there was some sort of bond between the two, to let her know he's not dead. but maybe I'm thinking too much into it.

 

[Marx]

I thought it was there to match Laurie eating the pizza? And to show there was some sort of bond between the two, to let her know he's not dead. but maybe I'm thinking too much into it.

I don't know man...I just don't know.

 

[Marx]

Sorry, but it sounds like you want a film called a Thriller, not the horror sub-genre classified as a Slasher Film. In this genre, entrails, blood gysers, and Dog eating can be perfectly acceptable.

Contrary to this belief among some that curse words and pointless gore make a good horror movie, horror movies can still have a good story and not have to use these things as a crutch. Zombie uses those things as a crutch...

 

[Fresh Prince]

I prefer my SLASHER flicks to have some kind of substance. (An actual plot, and not just shock gore put in to replace a plot really helps.) That scene contributed absolutely nothing to the movie and was only there for shock value...but keep rolling your eyes at me.

I thought I was the only one to want to have a horror movie have a plot and story. You know the movie 7even should be an influence for a horror movie.

 

[Figs]

What would you consider TCM under then?

A horror movie...and no I'm not joking or being a smartass.

I can understand when people finally see the original TCM and find it overrated after hearing about it for years, that happens with a lot of films. What pains me though, is when I hear people say how much better the remake was when it took something original and made it into more of a slasher film. I will say that the remake can be considered a bit more of a slasher film, especially with how at the end it involved Leatherface chasing the girl and her trying to hide from him and whatnot.

What Tobe Hooper did with the original was great. He used sound effects and imagery to scare people and make them feel uneasy instead of using one jump out scene after another like slasher films. Not to mention most of the kids in that film were taken out fairly quick instead of having each one die awhile after the last to drag out the film. Instead of that, he kills off most of them fairly quick once they find the house and leaves you at the end of the film with the main girl strapped to the chair at the dinner table. Those closeup shots of her eye darting around frantically and her mouth, screaming and cutting back to the family mocking her cries and screams was supposed to be a descent into madness and insanity. All of that plus the fact that the style Hooper used was like a documentary to make it feel real.

That to me is why that film is more than just a slasher flick. I think the popularity of Leatherface being a horror icon up there with Freddy, Jason, Myers and Chucky as well as the sequels that went into the more typical horror cliche slasher style that have given people the impression that the original should also be considered a slasher film too.

Sorry for the rant and seemingly hijacking the Halloween thread.

 

[StylishHokie21]

I prefer my SLASHER flicks to have some kind of substance. (An actual plot, and not just shock gore put in to replace a plot really helps.) That scene contributed absolutely nothing to the movie and was only there for shock value...but keep rolling your eyes at me.

Agreed. That's what I liked about the original Halloween. It was never about the gore and nudity. That's why I hated the remake.

 

[Fresh Prince]

A horror movie...and no I'm not joking or being a smartass.

I can understand when people finally see the original TCM and find it overrated after hearing about it for years, that happens with a lot of films. What pains me though, is when I hear people say how much better the remake was when it took something original and made it into more of a slasher film. I will say that the remake can be considered a bit more of a slasher film, especially with how at the end it involved Leatherface chasing the girl and her trying to hide from him and whatnot.

What Tobe Hooper did with the original was great. He used sound effects and imagery to scare people and make them feel uneasy instead of using one jump out scene after another like slasher films. Not to mention most of the kids in that film were taken out fairly quick instead of having each one die awhile after the last to drag out the film. Instead of that, he kills off most of them fairly quick once they find the house and leaves you at the end of the film with the main girl strapped to the chair at the dinner table. Those closeup shots of her eye darting around frantically and her mouth, screaming and cutting back to the family mocking her cries and screams was supposed to be a descent into madness and insanity. All of that plus the fact that the style Hooper used was like a documentary to make it feel real.

That to me is why that film is more than just a slasher flick. I think the popularity of Leatherface being a horror icon up there with Freddy, Jason, Myers and Chucky as well as the sequels that went into the more typical horror cliche slasher style that have given people the impression that the original should also be considered a slasher film too.

Sorry for the rant and seemingly hijacking the Halloween thread.

I feel how Tobe Hooper done the original TCM, thats how horror films should be done like.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I thought it was there to match Laurie eating the pizza? And to show there was some sort of bond between the two, to let her know he's not dead. but maybe I'm thinking too much into it.

I'm thinking the same.

 

[Figs]

I feel how Tobe Hooper done the original TCM, thats how horror films should be done like.

Horror films like that are the ones that stand out and also stand the test of time in my eyes.

Like the original Evil Dead(still love part II as well as AoD), Raimi also used similar methods to show Ash losing his sanity after his friends, sister and girlfriend have all died. He turned the camera at an odd angle to cause discomfort, had those closeups of objects like the clock pendelum as it crashed loudly back and forth and then would show it in his character's(Ash)eyes and fast head turns as he thought he was hearing things. Those films as well as John Carpenter's The Thing and how great he used the element of distrust and paranoia to get people on the edge of their seats. Horror films were they have more to them than just kill scene after kill scene.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah...but John Carpenter's Halloween is still better.

And for the record TCM did feature a main protagonist girl running and being chased by a maniac with a chanisaw. It actually has probably the most terrifying portrayal of this after the original Halloween, but it is the first one to do it. It goes on for about 5 minutes with him chasing her around the woods, roads and fields shot in a flat close lens giving the image that he is literally right on top of her at every moment and then she hides in a gas station run by...an accomplice. Classic slasher cliché that started here. Yeah you never actually saw the chainsaw penetrate or the meat hook go in, but you had the implications. Similarly I recall very little blood in the original Halloween even though we see Michael stab 3 people to death and get a slash at Laurie.

If the original Halloween is a slasher, albeit a masterpiece, then so too can TCM. In any event, I prefer the original Halloween film.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Yeah...but John Carpenter's Halloween is still better.

How many more times are people gonna say that?

Or do you feel the need to continue to keep beating a dead horse and then maybe do something else to it as well? Cause you sure seem to love that horse.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Horror films like that are the ones that stand out and also stand the test of time in my eyes.

Like the original Evil Dead(still love part II as well as AoD), Raimi also used similar methods to show Ash losing his sanity after his friends, sister and girlfriend have all died. He turned the camera at an odd angle to cause discomfort, had those closeups of objects like the clock pendelum as it crashed loudly back and forth and then would show it in his character's(Ash)eyes and fast head turns as he thought he was hearing things. Those films as well as John Carpenter's The Thing and how great he used the element of distrust and paranoia to get people on the edge of their seats. Horror films were they have more to them than just kill scene after kill scene.

Agreed. I wish directors these days would realize that, and have that stuff in horror movies.

Thats how the reboot Halloween movies, if they do a reboot, should be done in a way of old school classic horror.

 

[DACrowe]

How many more times are people gonna say that?

Or do you feel the need to continue to keep beating a dead horse and then maybe do something else to it as well? Cause you sure seem to love that horse.

I was talking about Halloween v. TCM not the Zombie films vs. Carpenter. I actually like the 2007 film and have talked about it several times in this thread in a favorable light. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Well, with all the talks of various other films in here it's confusing as hell to even know whats going on anymore.

 

[CashforStash]

I think that JC HalloweeN is a Thriller/Horror film

Not a slasher.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I think that JC HalloweeN is a Thriller/Horror film

Not a slasher.

Agreed.

 

[COAL TIGER]

BIG SPOILER AHEAD!

Damn. Why did Zombie have to kill off Dr. Loomis? Is there gonna be any sequels. If there is they wont be able to have Loomis anymore unless he appears to Michael as a good conscious or something. In the ads the man doing the voice over said this was Zombies final chapter of Halloween. But Zombie said that about the first one. Soooo......

 

[Majik1387]

A Schumacher Halloween film would equate to softcore porn and everyone (guys and girls) running around shirtless.

I approve.

The only person I want to see make another Halloween film is Bryan Bertino, the writer and director of The Strangers. And I still maintain that had Rob Zombie made two Friday the 13th films instead of Halloween, we would be sitting here singing his praises right now. I have always felt he was a better for fit for Jason. I mean, was the Friday remake bad, no, but it was boring and formula driven, what I expect from Platinum Dunes.

Really? I honestly didn't care much for that movie. It was watchable and all, but the story was kind of stupid to me.

Thanks.

Spoiler

I know Carpenter's version is far better, but I really liked Annie and her father and her relationship with Laurie in these movies. She may be the first "best friend" in one of these movies that seemed to serve any dramatic purpose beyond dying. And it is mostly because she survived H1(2007) and had her own PTS of being a shut-in maternal type in this film, but it made her death very sad.

Michael be a son of a *****. Ah well.

And one more for those interested in interpretations:

Spoiler

Why did Laurie see Michael's visions and why did they hold her down. Mamma Myers obviously isn't haunting them as she hated what her son became and killed herself over it, so why is Michael's cheesy delusions haunting Laurie to the point where it cost Sam Loomis his life? I chalked it up to bad writing, but anyone else have a theory?

Totally agree with the top spoiler.
For the bottom spoiler

Spoiler

In the end of the original Halloween 4 and throughout Halloween 5, Michael shared a psychic link with his niece Jamie, and I'm pretty sure the same thing happening here as to why the delusions are able to hold Laurie down. As for Loomis, this is what he was trying to cure Michael of when he was in the asylum, but he failed, and this was his last chance to save Laurie from becoming like Michael, but he failed the same way he did with Michael and he was killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah. In another example of pointless gore, Michael cut the redneck's dog from neck to groin wide open. He then ate it raw while everything was gushing with blood. His fingers were coated in blood...it was pretty disgusting. And pointless.

Man's gotta eat.

I thought I was the only one to want to have a horror movie have a plot and story. You know the movie 7even should be an influence for a horror movie.

No thanks at all.

Agreed. That's what I liked about the original Halloween. It was never about the gore and nudity. That's why I hated the remake.

I'll give you gore but nudity?
Lynda was pretty nude in the original and her scenes is one of the most popular scenes because of it...

 

[Majik1387]

BIG SPOILER AHEAD!

Damn. [BLACKOUT]Why did Zombie have to kill off Dr. Loomis? Is there gonna be any sequels. If there is they wont be able to have Loomis anymore unless he appears to Michael as a good conscious or something.[/BLACKOUT] In the ads the man doing the voice over said this was Zombies final chapter of Halloween. But Zombie said that about the first one. Soooo......

Well, it can be considered Zombie's last chapter, but if the studio wants another one, he'll either settle for another paycheck, or they'll get a different director for a new chapter.

 

[Marx]

...but did we need to see Michael carve up and eat the dog? No.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Well, it can be considered Zombie's last chapter, but if the studio wants another one, he'll either settle for another paycheck, or they'll get a different director for a new chapter.

i think its the other option. they said their looking for a new director with a different take or new story something like that.

...but did we need to see Michael carve up and eat the dog? No.

To show people what he was eating, cause sometimes alot of people need stuff spelled out and that way they wouldn't be like what was he eating?

 

[Majik1387]

...but did we need to see Michael carve up and eat the dog? No.

Did we need to see Laurie eating veggie pizza? No.

It was another scene showing how connected they are, hence her vomiting because of the raw dog flesh.

 

[Marx]

To show people what he was eating, cause sometimes alot of people need stuff spelled out and that way they wouldn't be like what was he eating?

Other Halloween movies has just shown half eaten animals...