Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows - Part 2

[chaseter]

Oh, so you are going to get chippy instead of answering my question? Because you are the one contradicting yourself.

Your question how two scenes from 150 minute movies look the same? Really? So that means that the covers of the books don't have any weight on the palette choice for scenes?

Go watch the Pensieve scenes in HBP...which for some other means of coincidence is also the cover of the book. Go watch the Ministry scenes in OOTP. What, it's blue!?

 

[Infinity9999x]

As soon as Dumbledore emotionally burst out and physically pushed Harry back while exclaiming "Did you put your name in that goblet?!", I knew this was a completely separate Dumbledore from the books.

But to be fair, Gambon was playing the role the script and director determined. If Dumbledore had been written correctly for the 3-6 films, I'm sure Gambon could have pulled that entire persona off very well.

The representation of Dumbledore is only half the problem of the films. The other half is Voldemort. Instead of having a villain that is legitimately intimidating, we have something that borders on the cliche. He's every bit how you would expect the main antagonist in a young adult animated series to act. Voldemort in the books is introverted and gathered. And when he becomes angry, it's white hot. He lashes out like the serpentine man he is. There's tension in every scene, because you never know when he's going to lash out at Wormtail, Malfoy, or Bellatrix for whatever petty reasons he sees fit.

When Fiennes as Voldemort becomes angry, such as in the graveyard scene of Goblet of Fire, he's over-the-top and sometimes embarrassing to watch. I use Goblet of Fire as a reference for the problems of Dumbledore and Voldemort, since while it's my favorite film of the series, it goes far in giving us scenes that bring to light the creative faults of both character incarnations.

They dropped the ball with the two most important characters besides Harry Potter himself, and for that, the films will never come close to measuring up in comparison to the books. This is usually the case when comparing a book turned into a film, yes, but the quality gap here is especially noticeable. They could have done a hell of a lot better; given their budget, given J.K. Rowling's guidance, and given the fair amount of time they had to prepare.

I agree especially with the bolded. However, I do think that Dumbledore was written correctly in POA, and Gambon played him fine in that. He was also quite good in HBP. It's really the writing and the direction.

And the same thing with Voldermort. It's really only GOF where Fiennes is ridiculously over the top. In all the other movies, he's much more restrained, the way Voldermort should be. It's like I said, I feel like Newell came in and told everyone "Okay, do what you've been doing...just amplify it about TEN TIMES!!" Everyone in that film was over the top, and that's actually why it's my least favorite film.

I realize that, as a film, it's a very good film, but as a Harry Potter film, I'd probably rank GOF the lowest.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have read many posts about this so called defect. I watched this film in theaters and at home on multiple TVs on dvd and bluray and I have never seens these defects. I'm gonna chalk it up to problem on the viewers end. Honestly it seems to only show up for those who are watching frame by frame. Under normal viewing conditions on a calibrated screen it doesn't seem to be a problem. Merely something that shows up under unnatural viewing conditions.

No, I agree it isn't defective. That is just how the movie looks. Just as that review pointed out.

Darth, I didn't have a problem with Order of the Phoenix's cinematography. I felt it was fine.

I however had a problem with the Half Blood Prince's cinematography. I did feel like it was too muted and grainy. I'm glad that was rectified for Deathly Hallows.

I love the look of Order. Only POA is superior for me.

Your question how two scenes from 150 minute movies look the same? Really? So that means that the covers of the books don't have any weight on the palette choice for scenes?

Go watch the Pensieve scenes in HBP...which for some other means of coincidence is also the cover of the book. Go watch the Ministry scenes in OOTP. What, it's blue!?

I am really not following you. Almost all of OoTP is blue. From the Dementors attack, Hogwarts, #12 Grimmuald Place, and of course the Ministry. Nearly all of HBP has the nasty filter including the opeing, Hogwarts, Diagon Alley, and the meeting place. This is not the case with Deathly Hallows, where it seems the final battle is going to have a distinct look from the rest of the film.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I agree especially with the bolded. However, I do think that Dumbledore was written correctly in POA, and Gambon played him fine in that. He was also quite good in HBP. It's really the writing and the direction.

And the same thing with Voldermort. It's really only GOF where Fiennes is ridiculously over the top. In all the other movies, he's much more restrained, the way Voldermort should be. It's like I said, I feel like Newell came in and told everyone "Okay, do what you've been doing...just amplify it about TEN TIMES!!" Everyone in that film was over the top, and that's actually why it's my least favorite film.

I realize that, as a film, it's a very good film, but as a Harry Potter film, I'd probably rank GOF the lowest.

Fiennes plays Voldy stretching his legs in GoF and I like it. The man hasn't been anything close to like a man for nearly 15 years, going from the most dominate force in the world, to a feeble parasite. Him basking in being nearly all powerful again makes sense to me.

As to GoF as a whole, I think it is what HBP tried to be. A fun, fast-paced film about kids at their most hormonal. I have trouble ranking it. It falls in the group of four films below PoA and OotP and above HBP. Their order changes quite a bit for me.

PoA
OotP

SS
COS
GOF
DH part 1

HBP

 

[chaseter]

Here is a link to the art for the Potter art show if anybody wants to look through the art:

http://www.gallerynucleus.com/gallery/pieces/244

 

[chaseter]

I am really not following you.

Let me make this simple. I said that the book dust covers obviously had some importance in why OOTP and HBP have a lot of blue and green tints to the scenes, respectively. It is wildly visible in the ministry and pensieve scenes, which are the art for the dust covers for their respective books. The art for the final book shows Voldemort and Harry facing off at Howgwarts with an orange/red tint. Therefore, the final act of the movie is going to have many scenes with an orange tint because Yates used fire as the lighting source.

It's not a theory, as you would imply, and as others have mentioned, Bruno Delbonnel did an amazing job with Half Blood Prince.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Let me make this simple. I said that the book dust covers obviously had some importance in why OOTP and HBP have a lot of blue and green tints to the scenes, respectively. It is wildly visible in the ministry and pensieve scenes, which are the art for the dust covers for their respective books. The art for the final book shows Voldemort and Harry facing off at Howgwarts with an orange/red tint. Therefore, the final act of the movie is going to have many scenes with an orange tint because Yates used fire as the lighting source.

It's not a theory, as you would imply, and as others have mentioned, Bruno Delbonnel did an amazing job with Half Blood Prince.

And you do realize that you are being selective right? Some of these films are one color (OotP), while others are dictated by were they are (DH). If it was all based on making the film based around the book covers, why isn't it uniform in its usage?

Also OotP is all blue. And yet, none of the characters or their outfits are robbed of their definition and color. HBP isn't just green. It also yellow, lacks sharpness, with faded colors and black crush.

 

[chaseter]

Order of the Phoenix is not blue throughout the entire movie. A lot of the Hogwart's scenes are not lit with a blue palette. Same with Half Blood Prince. All I am saying is that the book covers lent themselves to the palette choice in their respective movies. It isn't coincidence or a theory that the book cover art had the exact same lighting as those same scenes in their respective movies.

If you think otherwise then that's your opinion and this is mine. If a lot of the scenes in the final battle at Hogwarts in this movie are not lit with an orange/red palette then my little theory is wrong and the previous two movies were just coincidence as you imply.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Fiennes plays Voldy stretching his legs in GoF and I like it. The man hasn't been anything close to like a man for nearly 15 years, going from the most dominate force in the world, to a feeble parasite. Him basking in being nearly all powerful again makes sense to me.

As to GoF as a whole, I think it is what HBP tried to be. A fun, fast-paced film about kids at their most hormonal. I have trouble ranking it. It falls in the group of four films below PoA and OotP and above HBP. Their order changes quite a bit for me.

PoA
OotP

SS
COS
GOF
DH part 1

HBP

Eh, the way he played Voldy in GOF just wasn't my cup of teat. He seemed giddy. There are lots of words I could use in describing Voldermort. Giddy should not be among them.

And with GOF, if I watch it and forget what I know about Harry Potter, it's a very enjoyable film. I'd even venture to say it's easily one of the best. But as a Harry Potter adaptation, it's the lowest on the totem pole for me. I don't mind alterations to the plot of the novels so long as the characters stay true to the spirit of the book. GOF didn't do that for me.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Order of the Phoenix is not blue throughout the entire movie. A lot of the Hogwart's scenes are not lit with a blue palette. Same with Half Blood Prince. All I am saying is that the book covers lent themselves to the palette choice in their respective movies. It isn't coincidence or a theory that the book cover art had the exact same lighting as those same scenes in their respective movies.

If you think otherwise then that's your opinion and this is mine. If a lot of the scenes in the final battle at Hogwarts in this movie are not lit with an orange/red palette then my little theory is wrong and the previous two movies were just coincidence as you imply.

I think it's kind of irrelevant either way.

 

[Marvolo]

Let me make this simple. I said that the book dust covers obviously had some importance in why OOTP and HBP have a lot of blue and green tints to the scenes, respectively. It is wildly visible in the ministry and pensieve scenes, which are the art for the dust covers for their respective books. The art for the final book shows Voldemort and Harry facing off at Howgwarts with an orange/red tint. Therefore, the final act of the movie is going to have many scenes with an orange tint because Yates used fire as the lighting source.

It's not a theory, as you would imply, and as others have mentioned, Bruno Delbonnel did an amazing job with Half Blood Prince.

Yeah, but the UK books do not have these color schemes in the covers. You should read this interview where Delbonnel discusses the cinematography. He went for variations of grey, not green. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2...prince-cinematographer-delbonnel-talks-potter

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

I'm going to cry when I see this.

 

[chaseter]

I think it's kind of irrelevant either way.

Thanks for your irrelevant input.

 

[chaseter]

Yeah, but the UK books do not have these color schemes in the covers. You should read this interview where Delbonnel discusses the cinematography. He went for variations of grey, not green. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2...prince-cinematographer-delbonnel-talks-potter

The UK covers were incorporated into the films as well. The UK Half Blood Prince cover was in the movie almost with that exact shot and I think the OOTP UK cover was more symbolic than literal like the US version. I haven't seen DH.2 so I have no idea if the UK cover will make the movie with that exact shot.

For the last time, since a couple of people have blown this out of proportion, I think the book covers were taken into consideration when making the film. The pensieve scenes being green, the ministry scenes being dark blue, etc. It wasn't stated in the book that the ministry was a hue of dark blue or that the pensieve scenes were a light green. So it's either happy coincidence or it was done purposely. That's it, there is nothing more to be said. That's what I think. I have huge respect for the technical team behind the last three movies so I give the benefit of my doubt.

 

[Marvolo]

The UK covers were incorporated into the films as well. The UK Half Blood Prince cover was in the movie almost with that exact shot and I think the OOTP UK cover was more symbolic than literal like the US version. I haven't seen DH.2 so I have no idea if the UK cover will make the movie with that exact shot.

For the last time, since a couple of people have blown this out of proportion, I think the book covers were taken into consideration when making the film. The pensieve scenes being green, the ministry scenes being dark blue, etc. It wasn't stated in the book that the ministry was a hue of dark blue or that the pensieve scenes were a light green. So it's either happy coincidence or it was done purposely. That's it, there is nothing more to be said. That's what I think. I have huge respect for the technical team behind the last three movies so I give the benefit of my doubt.

I just think your looking at this the wrong way. The covers are inspired by thetext as is the films so that is why they might seem similar. Any similarity between the films and US covers I would say its coincidence considering the US books are a small fraction of the available versions and Mary Grand Pre only illustrates the US version. Also, considering the entire production is British I can't see them specifically trying to look like the U.S. edition. As far as the UK cover of HBP goes, remember the UK cover is drawn from an event described in the book. That cover was inspired by the passage in the book as was the scene in the film. That is why they are similar. They both draw inspiration from the text. Beyond that I don't think they were trying to copy the cover. I'm not debating with you, though, just discussing the topic at hand.

 

[chaseter]

I would agree if those scenes on the covers were described in the books with that color detail. They aren't for what I can remember and I just re-read all the books.

Also, I much prefer the US dust covers over the UK covers so I am sure that accounts for some of my bias.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, but the UK books do not have these color schemes in the covers. You should read this interview where Delbonnel discusses the cinematography. He went for variations of grey, not green. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2...prince-cinematographer-delbonnel-talks-potter

Gray makes much more sense. I have had this discussion before and the "gray fuzz" is what I remember. The film looks like it is covered in a layer of gray that drains the world of color.

I just think your looking at this the wrong way. The covers are inspired by thetext as is the films so that is why they might seem similar. Any similarity between the films and US covers I would say its coincidence considering the US books are a small fraction of the available versions and Mary Grand Pre only illustrates the US version. Also, considering the entire production is British I can't see them specifically trying to look like the U.S. edition. As far as the UK cover of HBP goes, remember the UK cover is drawn from an event described in the book. That cover was inspired by the passage in the book as was the scene in the film. That is why they are similar. They both draw inspiration from the text. Beyond that I don't think they were trying to copy the cover. I'm not debating with you, though, just discussing the topic at hand.

Well said.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The UK covers were incorporated into the films as well. The UK Half Blood Prince cover was in the movie almost with that exact shot and I think the OOTP UK cover was more symbolic than literal like the US version. I haven't seen DH.2 so I have no idea if the UK cover will make the movie with that exact shot.

For the last time, since a couple of people have blown this out of proportion, I think the book covers were taken into consideration when making the film. The pensieve scenes being green, the ministry scenes being dark blue, etc. It wasn't stated in the book that the ministry was a hue of dark blue or that the pensieve scenes were a light green. So it's either happy coincidence or it was done purposely. That's it, there is nothing more to be said. That's what I think. I have huge respect for the technical team behind the last three movies so I give the benefit of my doubt.

There is such a difference between simply incorporating the covers of the book, and basing an entire film's color scheme on them. That is what you were implying.

 

[John Locke]

I can't wait to see the movie. Is it true that in the movie [BLACKOUT]Lavender Brown dies?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[luke1234]

Four More Days, holy ****

 

[chaseter]

There is such a difference between simply incorporating the covers of the book, and basing an entire film's color scheme on them. That is what you were implying.

Show me where I said the entire movie was based off the book cover color. If you got that from my posts, then you misread them. That is why I was giving specific scene examples. OOTP and HBP are not blue and green throughout the entire film and as someone already stated, Bruno was going for grey for HBP yet the pensieve scenes are green. I can only conclude that some other factor influenced those decisions. Why not blue? Why not purple? Why not black and white?

It's gotten redundant. I think that the book art had some affect and you don't. That's that. Agree to disagree.

 

[Speedball]

I can't wait to see the movie. Is it true that in the movie [BLACKOUT]Lavender Brown dies?[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

It's never been confirmed, but it is believed she is killed when she is attacked by Greyback and falls to her death after an explosion takes out the floor beneathe her; at least in the books. From what i'm reading, she is attacked by Greyback, but Hermoine and Trelawney help her out, but it doesn't say if she dies from her injuries or not. She does in the test screenings, but it doesn't say if that was kept in the film or not.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Thanks for your irrelevant input.

I'm saying, why is it even something worth discussing, let alone arguing?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Show me where I said the entire movie was based off the book cover color. If you got that from my posts, then you misread them. That is why I was giving specific scene examples. OOTP and HBP are not blue and green throughout the entire film and as someone already stated, Bruno was going for grey for HBP yet the pensieve scenes are green. I can only conclude that some other factor influenced those decisions. Why not blue? Why not purple? Why not black and white?

It's gotten redundant. I think that the book art had some affect and you don't. That's that. Agree to disagree.

This is what you wrote.

You do realize that OOTP had a blue tint and HBP had a green tint because of the books right? I thought it was perfect and extremely smart.

I see no implication of "only scenes" being tinted.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm saying, why is it even something worth discussing, let alone arguing?

Personally I think it went on a tangent. My only point was that HBP gray, fuzzy stylized look is gross on my HDtv.