Comics Has anybody changed their mind about the "Iron Spidey" suit?

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Trask:
Point #1 Tony does his own... Luke Cage wears friggin street clothes... Why hasn't Tony given him an Iron uniform? Luke's identity isn't secret... He needs some fool with one so he can prove his point... like Peter...
Point #2 Still he could've asked Peter, or make the suit resemble somehing that Peter would make...
Point#3 He needed a fall guy for the registration... Seeing Pete as the N00b Avenger, he is the prefect patsy...
Point #4 Yeah when do you use "kindred spirits" as fall guys... Spidey is the fall guy right now... and that's WORSE than sdekick...
Point #5 was a Quesada cheap way out of fanboy Hell (not like he's ever going to escape that...) REMEMBER "MY SUIT MY COLORS" now Suit changes depending on what Pete's thinking... what happened to "My Suit My Colors"?

 

[Robot Komakino]

I like it...I really never minded the suit at all.We all know sometime he's going to get his original suit back.It's nice to have something new for a change.

 

[mrbarbar]

I love the old suit, its classic, simplicity itself, retro and if the ‘laymen’ on the street were asked “what does Spider-Man look like?” they would be able to describe him in detail, accurately and without difficulty. However, I like the new suit. I think it looks pretty cool. It doesn’t stop me loving the old suit! I love the old suit! Why do I have to like one and not the other? Why is it important for a Star Wars fan to hate Star Trek or Lord of the Rings fans to hate Harry Potter? Can’t we like both? Or do we have to take sides?

Maybe the reason why Civil War is cooking up a storm IS because it appeals to the very basic nature of the internet community: - Taking Sides. Tony Stark has been methodically planning this war long before the opening shots have been fired, and I still think the new suit has a big part to play in Civil War. So let’s not hate the new suit, let’s embrace it. It does look cool. It’s OK to say so! It doesn’t mean the old one won’t come back. C’mon we all know it will eventually return, and it will get a big parade when it does. But I say the new suit looks cool!!!

Besides it’s made out of liquid metal, which means he can take a heavier beating from the villains!

 

[Chris Wallace]

1. I'm sure Tony would have consulted him on the designs. But I seem to remember that everyone thought Peter was dead, and he came back to life. I think Tony wanted Peter to spend time with his family and recover from his ordeal instead of having him thinking about improvements to his costume.

2. Why would he ask him? Is Spider-Man not part of the Avengers now? He's part of a team now and the leader, money man, of the team feels that a guy running around in the same PJ's he's been wearing since he was 15 might be a little unsafe in the battles they might face. Peter isn't just going to be battling The Vulture and Green Goblin. As an Avenger he'll be fighting much BIGGER threats on a more regular basis.

3. Isn't this basically the same point as the first one?

4. He did that because Tony wants Peter to be on his side during this Superhero Registration thing. Yes, it was a bastard thing to do but he's not doing it because he thinks Peter is beneath him. Sheesh.

And to add. These things would automatically make Peter Parker a sidekick?

Even if they were straight up pure fact, and not just an opinion, it still wouldn't constitute that Peter is a "lackey" or a "sidekick". It's called being part of a team! And Tony, as a teammate, wanted to help Spider-Man out and give him something. If anything Tony and Peter could be considered.... ... FRIENDS!!! Wow. Imagine that.

But, yeah, if I were a traditional Spider-Man fan who expects Spidey to be like the strongest hero in the Marvel Universe and always be right and never make mistakes....yeah, I'd probably consider Peter Tony's sidekick.

But I'm not. I'm looking at the actual story. Aunt May's house burnt down, Peter needed a new apartment...hey, look, I'm in the Avengers now and Tony Stark is offering me and my family to live here? SWEET!! Oh look, he designed me a new suit to help better protect me instead of wearing a regular spandex suit where I could easily be killed. Cool, thanks Tony. Oh, look Tony just gave me a job as his assisstant and now I don't have to worry about my identity being compromised or going out to get a new teaching job, etc. Thanks for the job, Tony.

But suddenly that makes his a sidekick. So, anytime someone does something nice for you or gets you out of a serious jam...that means you become a persons sidekick and lackey? Whew...some of you guys have a warped way of looking at things.

Or you're just pissed off Spider-Man fans, and I think it's the latter.

1. He could have found time to talk to Peter. Saying, "It's not convenient to ask him so i'll just do what I want" is kinda lame.

2. Again, I don't see him revamping anyone else. Getting someone's opinion before changing them doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. And since WHEN is Iron Man the leader of the Avengers?

3. No-asking him what should initially go into the suit is not the same as asking him before adding to it.

4. Okay-how is manipulating someone not putting them beneath you?

I do not oppose change. I do not look for things to be wrong in storylines. But if I did, I wouldn't have far to look in this instance.

 

[SpideyInATree]

1. He could have found time to talk to Peter. Saying, "It's not convenient to ask him so i'll just do what I want" is kinda lame.

2. Again, I don't see him revamping anyone else. Getting someone's opinion before changing them doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. And since WHEN is Iron Man the leader of the Avengers?

3. No-asking him what should initially go into the suit is not the same as asking him before adding to it.

4. Okay-how is manipulating someone not putting them beneath you?

I do not oppose change. I do not look for things to be wrong in storylines. But if I did, I wouldn't have far to look in this instance.

But you're giving reasons as to why Tony Stark is treating Peter Parker like he's a sidekick or his lackey. And none of it makes him a sidekick or a lackey.

OH NO!! The new suit are the same colors of Iron Man!!! OMFG!!! He's making Peter his sidekick!!!

He didn't consult anybody else about giving them a suit because Peter is the only one who would probably accept getting a new suit from Tony. The rest of the team is a lot DIFFERENT than Peter is.

It's a storyline. Do you want to see Peter Parker turn on Tony Stark in the worst way? Do you want to see Peter Parker rip the Iron Man suit piece by piece and hand Tony every piece back one by one? If you do then the writers at Marvel have done their job. They're supposed to make you hate Tony Stark and like Peter Parker more.

But I fail to see what makes Peter a sidekick. It's called teammates and friendship. So, anytime that a friend gives you a gift or helps you out of money troubles you become that friends lackey and sidekick?

 

[Chris Wallace]

You misunderstand me, friend. I'm not saying he IS a sidekick, but rather that he's being treated like one.

 

[SpideyInATree]

You misunderstand me, friend. I'm not saying he IS a sidekick, but rather that he's being treated like one.

Because it's a story. It's supposed to make you dislike Tony Stark. And do you dislike Tony Stark?

 

[Trask]

Trask:
Point #1 Tony does his own... Luke Cage wears friggin street clothes... Why hasn't Tony given him an Iron uniform? Luke's identity isn't secret... He needs some fool with one so he can prove his point... like Peter...
Point #2 Still he could've asked Peter, or make the suit resemble somehing that Peter would make...
Point#3 He needed a fall guy for the registration... Seeing Pete as the N00b Avenger, he is the prefect patsy...
Point #4 Yeah when do you use "kindred spirits" as fall guys... Spidey is the fall guy right now... and that's WORSE than sdekick...
Point #5 was a Quesada cheap way out of fanboy Hell (not like he's ever going to escape that...) REMEMBER "MY SUIT MY COLORS" now Suit changes depending on what Pete's thinking... what happened to "My Suit My Colors"?

1) Luke Cage's power is that he has "Unbreakable" skin. Giving him a suit would be kind of pointless since it would end up being distroyed since his style of fighting is always to go for a direct assualt and letting his unbreakable skin take all the punishment.

2) The suit can be made to look like his old suit, Peter just hasnt gone back to the old design. Heck Stark even told him he could input new designs into the suit if he wanted to. If it was upto Peter he would have added much more gadgets to the suit, hell he asked Tony for rocket boots and Tony said no.

3/4) This I dont get. Where do you get the impression that Iron man is going to use Peter/Spider man as a fall guy? That is just you projecting your feelings onto Stark, because there is nowhere in the Marvel books where it is even remotly shown that Tony is setting up Peter to be the fall guy.

5) So what, a person is not allowed to change his mind? If you remeber ASM 500 you will know that his future self is wearing a completely different suit. Besides Peter might feel like a change for a while, after all he has just had a life altering experience so he might like to try something bright since people react more possitively to that.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

1# It is as pointless as adding an optic camouflages that works better in dark aeas... But LC is wearing STREET CLOTHES... That's no decent outfit for a member of the avengers... The suit only needs to be extremely tough, like Unstable molecules... He could give Reed a callfor an Unstable Molecules suit

2# Thus defeating the idea of the new design... Stark COULD've made the suit look like the classic Red and Blues and adding the powerups... But you'd think Stark would upgrade other people's suits to be as powerful as his... I think not... Didn't he try to destroy all Ironman based technology a while back...

3/4 Somewhere in The Illuminati special They mention of setting an example and Spidey... I read th ish at a comicbook store that's where I got that Idea...
5 The JQ change of Heart is a sign of little faith in his New design... If he was as convinced of his design he wouldn't have added that "escape-hatch" I only wish he had those chane of hearts back when Osborn had intercourse with Gwen and when Peter became Spider-god made flesh...

 

[MyPokerShirt]

I love the old suite, its classic, simplicity itself, retro and if the ‘laymen’ on the street were asked “what does Spider-Man look like?” they would be able to describe him in detail, accurately and without difficulty. However, I like the new suite. I think it looks pretty cool. It doesn’t stop me loving the old suite! I love the old suite! Why do I have to like one and not the other? Why is it important for a Star Wars fan to hate Star Trek or Lord of the Rings fans to hate Harry Potter? Can’t we like both? Or do we have to take sides?

For one, it's suit not suite (-- that would mean its pronounced "sweet")

and secondly wtf are u on about?? How is ur comparison between Star Trek and Star Wars relevant at all?! U make me chuckle, but you also weird me out. haha

 

[Chris Wallace]

Because it's a story. It's supposed to make you dislike Tony Stark. And do you dislike Tony Stark?

In the words of Magneto:
"Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?"

 

[Trask]

1# It is as pointless as adding an optic camouflages that works better in dark aeas... But LC is wearing STREET CLOTHES... That's no decent outfit for a member of the avengers... The suit only needs to be extremely tough, like Unstable molecules... He could give Reed a callfor an Unstable Molecules suit

2# Thus defeating the idea of the new design... Stark COULD've made the suit look like the classic Red and Blues and adding the powerups... But you'd think Stark would upgrade other people's suits to be as powerful as his... I think not... Didn't he try to destroy all Ironman based technology a while back...

3/4 Somewhere in The Illuminati special They mention of setting an example and Spidey... I read th ish at a comicbook store that's where I got that Idea...
5 The JQ change of Heart is a sign of little faith in his New design... If he was as convinced of his design he wouldn't have added that "escape-hatch" I only wish he had those chane of hearts back when Osborn had intercourse with Gwen and when Peter became Spider-god made flesh...

1) All form of camoflages work better the darker the surrounding. That is just the nature of camoflages. The only thing that would work the same weather it is dark or light is invisibilty. As for Unstable molecules it was stated in a FF comic that the reason that Reed has never sold the patent for that was because it was very expencive to produce and could be very dangerous, so I dont know if he would give it to Peter even if he asked.

2) Now you are going to complain because he decided to add his own design to the suit? Of course he is going to include his own design, just like different artist change the design of the costume in slight ways, so Stark creates a new design when he creates a new costume. The fact that Peter is using that design means that he likes it to some degree.

3/4) I have that comic and no where in the whole comic does it even imply such a thing, so as I said you are projecting your own feelings/ideas onto the comic.

5) I dont see why he would need an "escape hatch". If they want to change the costume all they need to do is have Peter get rid of the new costume, they dont need an "escape hatch".

 

[Chris Wallace]

2) Now you are going to complain because he decided to add his own design to the suit? Of course he is going to include his own design, just like different artist change the design of the costume in slight ways, so Stark creates a new design when he creates a new costume. The fact that Peter is using that design means that he likes it to some degree.

Or he just wants it to be known that "Papa's got a brand new bag"; Spidey's the kind of guy who would want the bad guys to know the instant they saw him that he's got some new tricks up his sleeve, regardless of how ugly the suit may be.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

The unstable molecule suit was for Luke Cage, not Peter... Y' know it's kind of bad knowing that Luke Cage fights and all his clothes get destroyed... Streaking Avenger? Think of the Children who might see a long fight with Luke Cage... Soccermoms and Jack Thompson would have a field day with the avengers... Besides the X-men had unstable molecules suits... I know I saw that somewhere...I think it was in the '70s issues... AND THE F4 HAVE GIVEN PETER A SUIT WITH UNSTABLE MOLECULES... Here's a hint... Post symbiote...

Spoiler

The Amazing BAGMAN!!!

so... Stark's got the money and a "Partnership" with Reed... I think Pym also had an UM suit...About the Camo thing... Normal clothing works pretty well in dark areas... The only things that don't work on dark areas are: Reflective surfaces, and glow in the dark stuff...

All I'm saying is that giving the suit THAT ability makes the idea of making a design for it pretty useless. Thus Tony wasted time designing that look... if the suit can cange it's look... sure in the comics spidey is seen wearing that look, BUT it doesn't mean that Peter likes it... It could be a JQ order that Pete MUST wear the Iron suit... in the I-S look...

I can't continue this if I dont have the ish so lets stop points 3/4, because It wouldn't be rational to do so... Just in case I used Wikipedia...

"someday soon, some young hero is going to slip up. Maybe one of the Young Avengers, maybe one of those kids in Los Angeles. They're going to turn right when they should turn left, and people will die. The government will bring in this law, and it will pass, because events of the last two years will allow it to pass. Sides will form. Families will split up, and former enemies will join together. There will be violence, there will be death, and the government will be forced to make an example of someone like Spider-Man. But if we back this now, we can mitigate the damage."

Is this quote accurate? if it is it talks about making an example out of someone, then Stark mentions Spidey, A few issues later Spidey unmasks in front of TV cameras... That is kinda weird, how Tony could predict the future... I've never trusted Tony... He's proven many times that he isn't trustworthy... and my feelings MIGHT get in the way, but I call them as I see them...

He's had two escape hatches... the shapeshifting and the It's a temporary thing... First JQ was praising the suit like it's the next greatest thins since sliced bread, then he added the shapeshifting thing... it smells kinda fishy, but since NONE of us are bald wheelchair, sometimes hoverschair using mutants who can read minds, then we can't know what is JQ thinking...

 

[Trask]

The unstable molecule suit was for Luke Cage, not Peter... Y' know it's kind of bad knowing that Luke Cage fights and all his clothes get destroyed... Streaking Avenger? Think of the Children who might see a long fight with Luke Cage... Soccermoms and Jack Thompson would have a field day with the avengers... Besides the X-men had unstable molecules suits... I know I saw that somewhere...I think it was in the '70s issues... AND THE F4 HAVE GIVEN PETER A SUIT WITH UNSTABLE MOLECULES... Here's a hint... Post symbiote...

Spoiler

The Amazing BAGMAN!!!

so... Stark's got the money and a "Partnership" with Reed... I think Pym also had an UM suit...About the Camo thing... Normal clothing works pretty well in dark areas... The only things that don't work on dark areas are: Reflective surfaces, and glow in the dark stuff...

All I'm saying is that giving the suit THAT ability makes the idea of making a design for it pretty useless. Thus Tony wasted time designing that look... if the suit can cange it's look... sure in the comics spidey is seen wearing that look, BUT it doesn't mean that Peter likes it... It could be a JQ order that Pete MUST wear the Iron suit... in the I-S look...

I know the issue you are talking about where Spidy gets a FF suit, but that was a loan, since Spidy lost his suit. As for Stark using his money to get Spidy a UM suit from reed, why would he do that? He has little experience with UM and it would make sence that he would make a suit using technology and materials he is familiar with. I mean if Reed made Spidy a suit he is not going to use Iron Man tech is he?

As for the Camoflage thing, not all things work well in dark areas. The best way for a camoflage to work is for it to blend with the surrounding area. Take a chameleon for example. Now it blends with the surrounding pretty well, but if it moves or if you look too closly at it, you can find it. However it is much more difficult to find the darker it is, that is just common sence. Stark never said that the suits Camoflage did not work in the light of day, just that it is harder to detect in darker environments (which makes sence since it is not invisibilty we are talking about). You cant say the same about Spidy's old suit, I mean he had a hard time being unseen in that bright red and blue suit of his (even in darker environments).

I can't continue this if I dont have the ish so lets stop points 3/4, because It wouldn't be rational to do so... Just in case I used Wikipedia...
Is this quote accurate? if it is it talks about making an example out of someone, then Stark mentions Spidey, A few issues later Spidey unmasks in front of TV cameras... That is kinda weird, how Tony could predict the future... I've never trusted Tony... He's proven many times that he isn't trustworthy... and my feelings MIGHT get in the way, but I call them as I see them...

He's had two escape hatches... the shapeshifting and the It's a temporary thing... First JQ was praising the suit like it's the next greatest thins since sliced bread, then he added the shapeshifting thing... it smells kinda fishy, but since NONE of us are bald wheelchair, sometimes hoverschair using mutants who can read minds, then we can't know what is JQ thinking...

That staitment was Tony tring to make a point of how the government works. He was tring to warn them that if something really bad happens the government is going to look for someone to blame, and they are not going to blame heroes that have good public opinoins behind them like Cap America, FF or Ironman. They are going to blame heroes that have a bad rep already like Spiderman who the public already sees as a menace. And from what we saw of CW: FL #1 he was right. It looks like they are going to make an example of Speedball and lay most of the blame on him.

And for the last time Stark did not force Peter to unmask. I mean he had a lot of other choices

1) Run away and go into hiding until the whole thing blows over.

2) Quit working for Stark, but register with the government.

3) Join Cap America in his fight.

4) Quit being Spiderman and still work for Stark as Peter Parker.

5) Quit being Spiderman and quit working for Tony Stark.

In life people are faced with choices and Peter made his. Also him unmasking is going to prevent the Government/Media from using him as a scapegoat. He has registered, unmasked himself and is publicly supporting the act, so I dont think that it would be good for their side if they make a sacrificail lamb out of him.

 

[Hotwire]

Maybe these manips of the "Iron Spidey" suit will change some minds.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

all thats gona do is make people realise they got the colour scheme wrong to an otherwise kick-ass costume. classic clours with that new gear and it wuda been fine. course it wudnt look as good for civil war...

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I know, who would give spidey an uber expensive suit as a gift... oh... Tony
But I wasn't talking aout spidey in an UM suit... I was suggesting that for luke, since he's got unbreakable skin a nice nearly unbreakable suit would be good...
Y' know it's cool, thanks for clarifying my problem with Stark and his predictions... bastard should be a politician...
I still fear the consequences of the unmasking....

If the eye pieces on the red and blue ones were white I'd Absolutely LOVE the suit... In that scheme it looks less sidekicky... There I've said something I'd thought I'd never say... Love and the Iron suit in the same sentence without a don't in the middle...

 

[3dman27]

Maybe these manips of the "Iron Spidey" suit will change some minds.

the scond one looks good but it would be better in classic spidey colors

 

[Chris Wallace]

Maybe these manips of the "Iron Spidey" suit will change some minds.

I like the first & third; the black & gold looks like a bee.

 

[Trask]

I like the second one, black/gold seems to look better than the red/gold design. The first one looks good as well, but the last one I dont like so much, I think it is the red in the design, maybe it would look better if the eye were not red.

 

[bulok]

I like the red and blue. I personally have no problem with Spidey getting extra protection. I mean he has a wife, maybe eventually kids, he should take precautions. My problem with the suit was the colour scheme. If they had stuck with classic Spidey colours, like the third option in the manip I'd be all for it. Great work btw!

 

[SpideyInATree]

The black one is kick ass all the way.

 

[Hotwire]

Here it is in red/black and blue/black

 

[Chris Wallace]

Black & red makes him look sinister; especially in that pose.