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Another scene they cut out the movie was Angel asking Xavier what he can do and he makes a man sitting next to her look like a crossdresser

 

[pyromaniac]

Oh my god. Really? At the strip club? Because they can't be referring to Magneto... Oh dear, what a laugh.

This has Vaugn's 'weirdness' all over it.

 

[pyromaniac]

Yeah I don't think some people picked up on that they are basically the same. They have different ways of doing things but they both have the same aims.

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I think Charles and Eriks battle with the 7 foot guy may of taken place when they were either recruiting mutants or when they were going after Emma Frost at the Russian Mansion

The kiss mindwipe reminded me of the old Sumperman movie mindwipe kiss between clark and lois

Well, here, considering Xavier, it was less arbitrary.

 

[MadVillainy]

So which thread is the REAL rate and review. This or the other one.Someone said the other one was just for critics

I thought this was a good movie, but I did actually have my fair share of problems.

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1) Trimming the fat. Oliver Platt's character died too early, Darwin was just pointless (and a victim of "the black guy dies first" rule ), Emma Frost just sat on the sidelines like Scott in X2, Angel also just felt pointless; her turn was kinda lame to me
2) Shaw's plot was pretty lame. The mutants will get stronger because of nuclear war? Also who wants to rule a destroyed world
3) The "class" wasn't fleshed out. Mystique and Beast had good arcs; but Havoc and Banshee were underdeveloped. Havoc is in jail, seems like he's reckless or a hothead. Didn't get that from his character (I also thought he was the worst actor, not bad, just the worst). What was Banshee's back story? He seemed to have a stable life before Eric and Xavier came, why did he join them? And as I said earlier, Angel and Darwin were just pointless. Darwin didn't even get to kick ass. Black mutants got the shaft hard. Also that whole scene where Shaw and them stormed the CIA they couldve at least tried to fight back earlier. Most of them have offensive powers and they didnt try anything until late. This was the biggest flaw in the movie.
4) I felt that some of the scenes were edited weird. Like the scene before the Cuba scene where Mystique talked Xavier in the kitchen. It ended abruptly. I cant think of any others, but that was the last one I remember.

And then minor gripes:
-I thought Beast, while had great look, prevented Hoult from showing emotions
-I still miss that scene in a X-Men film where the whole team works to take on 1 enemy. Team work still hasn't been showed that well to me. It wouldve been cool to see The X-Men taking on a suped up Shaw
-I wouldve liked to see Mystique kick some ass
-I wouldve liked to see some stuff of Xavier coming to terms with his paralyzation. BTW the way they did him getting crippled was great. I wasn't expecting it in this first film or for it to happen the way it did
-WOuldve liked to see more of a love story between Moira and Xavier

All that being said, this was a good movie. The action was cool, the Bond style was good, the acting was awesome(McAvoy and Fassbender were so great), the whole Magneto journey through the first hour, the characters were nice. In the end it did feel a bit uneven at times, but it is still a true return to form for the X-Men films.
EDIT: I keep jumping back and forth between a 7.5 and a 8

 

[Stringer]

I thought it was great. I'm not going to rank it against the best of the other movies in the genre yet because I need to see how it holds up over multiple viewings, but it was easily better than any of the previous vastly overrated x-men films.

McAvoy and Fassbender are just pure greatness, if it weren't for them I don't think it would've been nearly as good. I'll get into my problems with it later, even though they're just nitpicks, but this is definitely up there with the best right now. 8/10

 

[pyromaniac]

So which thread is the REAL rate and review. This or the other one.Someone said the other one was just for critics

I thought this was a good movie, but I did actually have my fair share of problems.

Spoiler

1) Trimming the fat. Oliver Platt's character died too early, Darwin was just pointless (and a victim of "the black guy dies first" rule ), Emma Frost just sat on the sidelines like Scott in X2, Angel also just felt pointless; her turn was kinda lame to me
2) Shaw's plot was pretty lame. The mutants will get stronger because of nuclear war? Also who wants to rule a destroyed world
3) The "class" wasn't fleshed out. Mystique and Beast had good arcs; but Havoc and Banshee were underdeveloped. Havoc is in jail, seems like he's reckless or a hothead. Didn't get that from his character (I also thought he was the worst actor, not bad, just the worst). What was Banshee's back story? He seemed to have a stable life before Eric and Xavier came, why did he join them? And as I said earlier, Angel and Darwin were just pointless. Darwin didn't even get to kick ass. Black mutants got the shaft hard. Also that whole scene where Shaw and them stormed the CIA they couldve at least tried to fight back earlier. Most of them have offensive powers and they didnt try anything until late. This was the biggest flaw in the movie.
4) I felt that some of the scenes were edited weird. Like the scene before the Cuba scene where Mystique talked Xavier in the kitchen. It ended abruptly. I cant think of any others, but that was the last one I remember.

And then minor gripes:
-I thought Beast, while had great look, prevented Hoult from showing emotions
-I still miss that scene in a X-Men film where the whole team works to take on 1 enemy. Team work still hasn't been showed that well to me. It wouldve been cool to see The X-Men taking on a suped up Shaw
-I wouldve liked to see Mystique kick some ass
-I wouldve liked to see some stuff of Xavier coming to terms with his paralyzation. BTW the way they did him getting crippled was great. I wasn't expecting it in this first film or for it to happen the way it did
-WOuldve liked to see more of a love story between Moira and Xavier

All that being said, this was a good movie. The action was cool, the Bond style was good, the acting was awesome(McAvoy and Fassbender were so great), the whole Magneto journey through the first hour, the characters were nice. In the end it did feel a bit uneven at times, but it is still a true return to form for the X-Men films.
EDIT: I keep jumping back and forth between a 7.5 and a 8

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The kids couldn't fight back during the CIA raid because the agents didn't let them. Remember? They did fight back AFTER. The only reason they hesitated was because it was their first time being in this 'war'; they were numb, shocked, surprised, etc. You felt - and they felt that they were up very, very experienced and very ruthless baddies who could kill you on a dime. They had no prior fighting instinct whatsoever. Though it was a nice touch that Darwin put up his defenses out of everyone else.

And of course they got into trouble for messing up their quarters the night before. The fact they didn't fight back sooner is the reason they had to undergo training later on.

Emma, funnily enough, seemed to contribute to the plot a bit more than Scott did. You really feel his absence much more there because he is supposed to the leader. Emma Frost at least wasn't made to be more than what she was supposed to be, at least in this film.

The romance subplot between Moira and Charles was apparently cut down, for economical reasons. As well as the scene where Charles is coming to terms with his paralysis (which, by the way, is the correct term haha.) But I felt you already get his despair when he feels, 'I can't feel my legs!' So that's good enough for me.

Other gripes, I more or less agree.

 

[MadVillainy]

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The kids couldn't fight back during the CIA raid because the agents didn't let them. Remember? They did fight back AFTER. The only reason they hesitated was because it was their first time being in this 'war'; they were numb, shocked, surprised, etc. You felt - and they felt that they were up very, very experienced and very ruthless baddies who could kill you on a dime. They had no prior fighting instinct whatsoever. Though it was a nice touch that Darwin put up his defenses out of everyone else.

And of course they got into trouble for messing up their quarters the night before. The fact they didn't fight back sooner is the reason they had to undergo training later on.

Emma, funnily enough, seemed to contribute to the plot a bit more than Scott did. You really feel his absence much more there because he is supposed to the leader. Emma Frost at least wasn't made to be more than what she was supposed to be, at least in this film.

The romance subplot between Moira and Charles was apparently cut down, for economical reasons. As well as the scene where Charles is coming to terms with his paralysis (which, by the way, is the correct term haha.) But I felt you already get his despair when he feels, 'I can't feel my legs!' So that's good enough for me.

Other gripes, I more or less agree.

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But I wouldve expected/wanted Havoc to at least do something earlier. As I said him being in jail seems to beg to the fact that he doesn't make the right choices, he's reckless, or he's a loose cannon. I know it was their first experience, but I wish at least one of them fought earlier.

Idk. Yeah I guess she was more important. But I dont really like when they take a character and just shove him/her to the side. I thought Shaw would break her out because she couldve escaped at any time. But she just stood there

Okay. It did feel like a decent amount was cut from this. Do you know what other stuff was cut. I remember Xavier and Frost had a mind battle but it was scrapped because of INception

 

[tedw]

Out of curiosity, I'd be interested to know others' thoughts on how the kids played the time period in which the film was set. I don't think the actors quite captured, or portrayed, the kids of that era as much as I expected; they seemed a bit modern to me.

What did anyone else find?

 

[MadVillainy]

EH they acted like normal kids to me. They really didnt get that much time to "act like kids". I wasnt alive in the time period so I can't comment on that. I guess Havoc calling Beast a "bozo" isnt something a tough kid would say today

 

[pyromaniac]

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But I wouldve expected/wanted Havoc to at least do something earlier. As I said him being in jail seems to beg to the fact that he doesn't make the right choices, he's reckless, or he's a loose cannon. I know it was their first experience, but I wish at least one of them fought earlier.

Idk. Yeah I guess she was more important. But I dont really like when they take a character and just shove him/her to the side. I thought Shaw would break her out because she couldve escaped at any time. But she just stood there

Okay. It did feel like a decent amount was cut from this. Do you know what other stuff was cut. I remember Xavier and Frost had a mind battle but it was scrapped because of INception

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I know what you mean. Havok or anybody else might have not done anything sooner, but Havok was the only one who stepped up to the plate to try to take Shaw out. That's probably a nice if embryonic combination of recklessness and strategy.

Emma, yes I do agree. She could've tried to break out or at least spoke of it. She certainly wasn't feeling neglected by Shaw. Poor girl, after all that cosying up to the Bacon.

There were a few more scenes cut out. Maybe a new thread should be made for this, to compile all into place. Not that many, but some. There was a shot of Havok shooting out his beams outside the mansion from the trailer: that was cut. A scene of Charles and Erik fighting a 7 foot tall guy. It might have been at around the time they'd caught Emma. Riptide and Azazel 'initiating' Angel in the war room, while they are looking at the map. I think Angel was particularly interested in Cuba. Wasn't she reported to be of Cuban origin?

 

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But I wouldve expected/wanted Havoc to at least do something earlier. As I said him being in jail seems to beg to the fact that he doesn't make the right choices, he's reckless, or he's a loose cannon. I know it was their first experience, but I wish at least one of them fought earlier.

Idk. Yeah I guess she was more important. But I dont really like when they take a character and just shove him/her to the side. I thought Shaw would break her out because she couldve escaped at any time. But she just stood there

Okay. It did feel like a decent amount was cut from this. Do you know what other stuff was cut. I remember Xavier and Frost had a mind battle but it was scrapped because of INception

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Havoc could barely control his powers and I would say he was wreckless with how his and Darwins little plan went down.

Remember Darwin and Havok were already plotting to try and take out Shaw when he was leaving

I get the feeling some Emma Frost stuff ended up getting cut too. I think she fought Shaw would break her out eventually after he had made sure his nuclear war kicked off.

I think Emma stayed because she wanted to hear what the CIA were plotting

 

[kedrell]

So which thread is the REAL rate and review. This or the other one.Someone said the other one was just for critics

I thought this was a good movie, but I did actually have my fair share of problems.

Spoiler

1) Trimming the fat. Oliver Platt's character died too early, Darwin was just pointless (and a victim of "the black guy dies first" rule ), Emma Frost just sat on the sidelines like Scott in X2, Angel also just felt pointless; her turn was kinda lame to me
2) Shaw's plot was pretty lame. The mutants will get stronger because of nuclear war? Also who wants to rule a destroyed world
3) The "class" wasn't fleshed out. Mystique and Beast had good arcs; but Havoc and Banshee were underdeveloped. Havoc is in jail, seems like he's reckless or a hothead. Didn't get that from his character (I also thought he was the worst actor, not bad, just the worst). What was Banshee's back story? He seemed to have a stable life before Eric and Xavier came, why did he join them? And as I said earlier, Angel and Darwin were just pointless. Darwin didn't even get to kick ass. Black mutants got the shaft hard. Also that whole scene where Shaw and them stormed the CIA they couldve at least tried to fight back earlier. Most of them have offensive powers and they didnt try anything until late. This was the biggest flaw in the movie.
4) I felt that some of the scenes were edited weird. Like the scene before the Cuba scene where Mystique talked Xavier in the kitchen. It ended abruptly. I cant think of any others, but that was the last one I remember.

And then minor gripes:
-I thought Beast, while had great look, prevented Hoult from showing emotions
-I still miss that scene in a X-Men film where the whole team works to take on 1 enemy. Team work still hasn't been showed that well to me. It wouldve been cool to see The X-Men taking on a suped up Shaw
-I wouldve liked to see Mystique kick some ass
-I wouldve liked to see some stuff of Xavier coming to terms with his paralyzation. BTW the way they did him getting crippled was great. I wasn't expecting it in this first film or for it to happen the way it did
-WOuldve liked to see more of a love story between Moira and Xavier

All that being said, this was a good movie. The action was cool, the Bond style was good, the acting was awesome(McAvoy and Fassbender were so great), the whole Magneto journey through the first hour, the characters were nice. In the end it did feel a bit uneven at times, but it is still a true return to form for the X-Men films.
EDIT: I keep jumping back and forth between a 7.5 and a 8

Wow, you pretty much read my mind. Hey, I don't need to do a review now.
I can just point here and say that's what I thought of it.

 

[pyromaniac]

Out of curiosity, I'd be interested to know others' thoughts on how the kids played the time period in which the film was set. I don't think the actors quite captured, or portrayed, the kids of that era as much as I expected; they seemed a bit modern to me.

What did anyone else find?

I'm 25.

Actually, come to think of it, considering all the mutant furore, it was probably expected that they'd feel a little ahead of their time. There is such a thing as that. It might have been nice to have a conservative character in contrast with the flamboyancy of his powers - then again, Mystique sort of filled that void. And anyway, the 60's were becoming more explicit with overt sexism and sexualisation as well as the persecution, so those pins of 'modernity' still carry over into today. So I don't find it an issue at all that the kids were acting a bit out of the time period. After all, mutation was coming to the fore and they were 'evolving' with their attitudes.

 

[pyromaniac]

Wow, you pretty much read my mind. Hey, I don't need to do a review now.
I can just point here and say that's what I thought of it.

Get your own mind! And no, you can't say,'The Professor made me do it.'

 

[kedrell]

Get your own mind! And no, you can't say,'The Professor made me do it.'

Yeah, I'm just being lazy.

 

[MadVillainy]

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I know what you mean. Havok or anybody else might have not done anything sooner, but Havok was the only one who stepped up to the plate to try to take Shaw out. That's probably a nice if embryonic combination of recklessness and strategy.

Emma, yes I do agree. She could've tried to break out or at least spoke of it. She certainly wasn't feeling neglected by Shaw. Poor girl, after all that cosying up to the Bacon.

There were a few more scenes cut out. Maybe a new thread should be made for this, to compile all into place. Not that many, but some. There was a shot of Havok shooting out his beams outside the mansion from the trailer: that was cut. A scene of Charles and Erik fighting a 7 foot tall guy. It might have been at around the time they'd caught Emma. Riptide and Azazel 'initiating' Angel in the war room, while they are looking at the map. I think Angel was particularly interested in Cuba. Wasn't she reported to be of Cuban origin?

Agree to disagree on the Havoc point

Wow, you pretty much read my mind. Hey, I don't need to do a review now.
I can just point here and say that's what I thought of it.

 

[Stringer]

I think Mystique falling for Magneto was kind of sudden. Sure he gave her some self confidence, but she hadn't really shown any physical attraction to him prior to her jumping into his bed nakey. And right before then she was trying bang Hank and before that she was trying to bang Xavier. Makes her seem kinda ****ty imo.

 

[pyromaniac]

i wrote a long and dazzling review for you. For you!

Pull up your slacks, mate.

 

[kedrell]

Now that we have Kevin Bacon's Shaw added to the mix, I'd still say that Brian Cox's General Stryker is still the best villain this series ever had.

 

[pyromaniac]

I think Mystique falling for Magneto was kind of sudden. Sure he gave her some self confidence, but she hadn't really shown any physical attraction to him prior to her jumping into his bed nakey. And right before then she was trying bang Hank and before that she was trying to bang Xavier. Makes her seem kinda ****ty imo.

When was she eyeballing Xavier? They were like brother and sister.

By the way, Magneto made the first move.

But in the end, this physical attraction was really peripheral to the plot. So no complaints there. if anything, it was more that his worldviews, his precepts that she shouldn't have to 'change for anybody' were powerful enough to sway her over to his side. You would too, if a dastardly and handsome Bond-ish man called you 'Perfection.'

 

[kedrell]

i wrote a long and dazzling review for you. For you!

Pull up your slacks, mate.

I will, I will. Just let me see it a few more times before I do so I can solidify all my thoughts on it. But I must say that I can't really refute any of the points that Blackman brought up. They were pretty solid to me.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think Mystique falling for Magneto was kind of sudden. Sure he gave her some self confidence, but she hadn't really shown any physical attraction to him prior to her jumping into his bed nakey. And right before then she was trying bang Hank and before that she was trying to bang Xavier. Makes her seem kinda ****ty imo.

I think she was an attention ****e more than an actual sl**. But also yeah some more scenes with Mystique and Magneto wouldve been good.

I also have a question. Did anyone think the pacing was a little too fast after Xavier and Magneto met? Before that the pacing was perfect, but then I felt like so many things were not fully touched upon because they were moving the story quickly.

 

[Stringer]

I think she wanted to be more than a "sister" to Xavier, he just wasn't having any of that.

 

[Stringer]

I think she was an attention ****e more than an actual sl**. But also yeah some more scenes with Mystique and Magneto wouldve been good.

I also have a question. Did anyone think the pacing was a little too fast after Xavier and Magneto met? Before that the pacing was perfect, but then I felt like so many things were not fully touched upon because they were moving the story quickly

I noticed that too but I chalked it up to me wanting more Xavier and Magneto scenes. There just didn't seem to be enough.

 

[kedrell]

Yeah, this movie did feel like they packed a whole helluva lot in and that they pretty much needed to go pretty quickly through it all in order to fit it all in. Kinda doesn't leave room for much breathing space so the audience can take it all in.