Days of Future Past Have you seen X-Men: First Class? Post here!

[EnDz0n3]

To me there were just too many cheesy lines, bad acting and shoddy special effects.

I'm hoping that with repeat viewings, I'll learn to love this film (that's what happened with me with Incredibles)

 

[Sweet Xstacy]

Saw it today and I loved it! First and foremost I loved James McAvoy's portrayal of Prof. X. But I'm a fan so this is probably not the most unbiased opinion.


I had a couple of issues but they are small except one.
I'll start with the small ones. There was a scene in the trailer that I really wanted to see in the film. I believe it must have gotten cut. It's the scene where Magneto

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is outside a building and is lifting up the police cars

The big one. I was not impressed by the fight scenes. They seemed too rushed or too cut up or something. The beach battle scene with Banshee and Angel was a little lightweight for my tastes. I'm surprised because Vaughn usually takes so much care with these in his other films. But oh well.

Overall, though I still loved it because there was a lot of emotion in the acting. As already mention, Prof X. But I really liked Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique. She did a good job. That one scene with her and Beast when he tells her that she is beautiful like that (non blue-skin)[/SPOILER] was messed up. And when Prof. X went to

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MOIRA to see if she was alright and didn't even ask about her

showed me why she ended up being the way she is later on. And Magneto was just a total badass. His story was great and well acted by Fassbender. And the after fight scene even though I knew what was coming I still cried.

So even though it had its flaws it was a fun time at the movies. I could watch it again very soon. 8/10

 

[LostSon88]

That scene youre talking a out with Magneto and the police cars in the trailer? That wasn't cut.

That's a scene from X1 after they kidnap Rogue at the train station.

 

[quara33]

I'll start with the small ones. There was a scene in the trailer that I really wanted to see in the film. I believe it must have gotten cut. It's the scene where Magneto

Spoiler

is outside a building and is lifting up the police cars

That scene was actually from X-men...it was used in the trailer to illustrate wher Magneto ends up, just like the bit of Xavier in Cerebro. You just can't see McKellen's face in the Magneto clip. (it's just as they're taking Rogue from the train station.

And when Prof. X went to

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MOIRA to see if she was alright and didn't even ask about her

showed me why she ended up being the way she is later on.

The cut-away of Raven's reaction

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to Xavier's concern for moira

was very well done--far better than an on-the-nose piece of dialog would have been. a fantastic example of show-don't-tell, right there.

 

[LostSon88]

Watched it a second time today and I think I'm going to bump my score from an 8 to a 9. I enjoyed it even more the second time around. Plus the emotional moments of the film really got to me the second time around. I felt Magnetos sadness and anger much more and frankly I totally understand his point of view much better now. Frankly I don't blame him and given the choice within those circumstances? I'd probably join the brotherhood too.

By far though the most intense and heartwrenching part was:

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when Xavier got hit with the bullet.

My audienced gasped. Then I got a little choked up when:

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Xavier just kept repeating, "I can't feel my legs. I cant feel my legs." as the camera zooms out with the dramatic music playing.

You just felt so bad.

 

[Gianakin_]

i personally am pissed off the contnuity is messed up period as the mythos i grew up reading has still yet to be brought to film. this is some alternate universe ****

Thank God. I still can't get over how laughably bad the comics' Phoenix origin is (or how Xavier got crippled). Comics aren't gospel. Talentless people work in the comics industry, on popular characters, making bad choices for them as well.

Continuity issues are there, for sure, but FC may very well go on being a full reboot. Although I think it's worth a shot tying its sequels to the other 4 flicks. The franchise never sank to SM3 or B&R levels, it just got very mediocre. It can be saved, it's already happening. If they get a fantastic X4 and Second Class off the ground, it can be done.

 

[J.Howlett]

Having seen it a second time last night, I definitely feel that it's below X2 but for reasons outside it's control.

Mainly, Vaughn and company didn't have time to really polish this film. X2 is a polished piece of pop cinema. First Class is a bit rough around the edges and that's mainly due to its schedule. Had Vaughn had another 6 months to work on this film, I think it would've easily equal X2.

By trying to mimic the 60's era Bond films, it has a slight tonal clash with Singer's films but I think it's appropriate. When it gets serious, it's poignant. But, it's not as serious as Singer's films. This is not a knock against it.

From the action side, there's just not a sequence that's as well staged as Nightcrawler's sequence at the White House...let a lone the X Mansion sequence and the rest of the action in X2...but that again has more to do with schedule than Vaughn not having the chops to do it (See Kick Ass).

The pace is just a tad too fast and again, the last 15 minutes, as good as they are and as poignant as they are, could've been held off for a sequel, instead of now. In the context of the situation, it works. But, because we love the chemistry of this cast so much, we really don't want to see the fracture of the mutant community right now. Another adventure with Erik and Xavier before the fracture would've been more appropriate.

Still, given the time frame Vaughn and company had, this film is still a minor miracle. It's a true prequel to X-Men and X2 and sort of completes the trilogy that Singer started in 2000...in my eyes.

Russell Nash, your posts are on point.

 

[Gianakin_]

The pace is just a tad too fast and again, the last 15 minutes, as good as they are and as poignant as they are, could've been held off for a sequel, instead of now. In the context of the situation, it works. But, because we love the chemistry of this cast so much, we really don't want to see the fracture of the mutant community right now. Another adventure with Erik and Xavier before the fracture would've been more appropriate.

Agreed 100%.

 

[Vilya]

Put back the deleted 1 hour of material and we'll have a real X film

And i waited for credits to end..... nothing.......

 

[roach]

I agree with everyone else that this movie shouldnt have had the fracturing of the friendship....in this movie we saw the start of it. This movie should have been the forming of the team and the friendship...the next movie should have seen the straining of that friendship...and then the last one should have been the breaking of the friendship

 

[X-Maniac]

I agree with everyone else that this movie shouldnt have had the fracturing of the friendship....in this movie we saw the start of it. This movie should have been the forming of the team and the friendship...the next movie should have seen the straining of that friendship...and then the last one should have been the breaking of the friendship

Disagree. It's a huge risk to assume a trilogy would happen to allow those events to play out. And i think it worked for the story to show the friendship fracturing and for Xavier to be paralysed. There had to be some kind of conclusion to the film, it had to go somewhere.

 

[X-Maniac]

Put back the deleted 1 hour of material and we'll have a real X film

And i waited for credits to end..... nothing.......

We posted constantly on here about there being no end credits. I must have written that on here about 50 times since I saw the movie.

Thank God there were no end credits. They are a pain. Sorry you didn't come here and check first.

 

[craigdbfan]

Disagree. It's a huge risk to assume a trilogy would happen to allow those events to play out. And i think it worked for the story to show the friendship fracturing and for Xavier to be paralysed. There had to be some kind of conclusion to the film, it had to go somewhere.

I agree, that would have been a major mistake.

 

[roach]

Disagree. It's a huge risk to assume a trilogy would happen to allow those events to play out. And i think it worked for the story to show the friendship fracturing and for Xavier to be paralysed. There had to be some kind of conclusion to the film, it had to go somewhere.

i just think that the betrayal would have had more emotion behind it if we saw more of the friendship...in this movie it was over as soon as it had began

lets say we get a trilogy out of this...so whats left to show....another x-men vs brotherhood movie...the events that lead to the disbanding of the team???

 

[X-Maniac]

Having seen it a second time last night, I definitely feel that it's below X2 but for reasons outside it's control.

Mainly, Vaughn and company didn't have time to really polish this film. X2 is a polished piece of pop cinema. First Class is a bit rough around the edges and that's mainly due to its schedule. Had Vaughn had another 6 months to work on this film, I think it would've easily equal X2.

I think it's fair to say that it, like any film, would benefit from more time. This project in particular was against some serious deadlines, and they should learn from that in future. Fox must now realise that this short time frame isn't helpful. Spider-Man was filming at the same time but isn't out until July 2012

By trying to mimic the 60's era Bond films, it has a slight tonal clash with Singer's films but I think it's appropriate. When it gets serious, it's poignant. But, it's not as serious as Singer's films. This is not a knock against it.

I would agree that the combination of Bond, historical event and superhero adventure is a risk. This is the inherent danger with X-Men - lots of colourful characters with outlandish powers versus a serious underlying theme. I agree this is not quite like Singer's films - it's more fantastical and bold and more kinetic (hence action more frantic and collaborative, rather than focused and individual).

From the action side, there's just not a sequence that's as well staged as Nightcrawler's sequence at the White House...let a lone the X Mansion sequence and the rest of the action in X2...but that again has more to do with schedule than Vaughn not having the chops to do it (See Kick Ass).

The raising of the submarine comes close to being a Magneto moment like the prison escape. But Vaughn largely didn't aim for these solo moments. On the other side, Singer struggled with making them work as a team, whereas Vaughn shows many moments of teamwork and camaraderie.

The pace is just a tad too fast and again, the last 15 minutes, as good as they are and as poignant as they are, could've been held off for a sequel, instead of now. In the context of the situation, it works. But, because we love the chemistry of this cast so much, we really don't want to see the fracture of the mutant community right now. Another adventure with Erik and Xavier before the fracture would've been more appropriate.

I think the fracture had to happen, rather than assume that a sequel or trilogy would definitely be greenlit. There's already been indications that Magneto and Xavier may work together again in future (as in the comics).

And, yes, the pace was fast (at the start especially) and I wouldn't have minded it being longer. The multiple locations didn't help the film to breathe in that regard.

Still, given the time frame Vaughn and company had, this film is still a minor miracle. It's a true prequel to X-Men and X2 and sort of completes the trilogy that Singer started in 2000...in my eyes.

I think it's a very good loose prequel that also sows seeds for a reboot. And, yes, it is a miracle it came together. I think of X3 the same way, with all the production dramas that had. It's testament to Vaughn that he managed a deeper film than X3 in the time.

 

[X-Maniac]

i just think that the betrayal would have had more emotion behind it if we saw more of the friendship...in this movie it was over as soon as it had began

lets say we get a trilogy out of this...so whats left to show....another x-men vs brotherhood movie...the events that lead to the disbanding of the team???

There have been indications that Xavier and Magneto may be forced to work together again, for example. The comics have shown that they have collaborated, at one point Magneto led the team.

We will almost certainly get a Xavier vs Emma Frost battle on the astral plane next time, as it was cut from this one.

We could see the conception and abandonment of Nightcrawler, taking Mystique's story further along.

We could get Sentinels, Apocalypse, space travel, any number of things. The 60s saw the space race and the moon landing, so involvement with space is a possibility - maybe even a more comic-accurate Phoenix story woven in there? There are lots of possibilities, and for me that's the joy of it all.

 

[roach]

There have been indications that Xavier and Magneto may be forced to work together again, for example. The comics have shown that they have collaborated, at one point Magneto led the team.

We will almost certainly get a Xavier vs Emma Frost battle on the astral plane next time, as it was cut from this one.

We could see the conception and abandonment of Nightcrawler, taking Mystique's story further along.

We could get Sentinels, Apocalypse, space travel, any number of things. The 60s saw the space race and the moon landing, so involvement with space is a possibility - maybe even a more comic-accurate Phoenix story woven in there? There are lots of possibilities, and for me that's the joy of it all.

I didnt see any indications of Xavier and Magneto working together...yes I know they did in the comics but the comics and movies are two different entities(if they were one we'd have the original first class and not a random team put together).

there is no indication that movie Mystique is Nightcrawler's mother. Just like she didnt raise Rogue.

 

[X-Maniac]

I didnt see any indications of Xavier and Magneto working together...yes I know they did in the comics but the comics and movies are two different entities(if they were one we'd have the original first class and not a random team put together).

The filmmakers said in an interview that they might work together again. There wouldn't be any indications in this film if it was some sort of surprise crisis that forced it to happen, it's not supposed to be predictable.

there is no indication that movie Mystique is Nightcrawler's mother. Just like she didnt raise Rogue.

Well, Mystique is now in the company of Azazel. They may be shown to be Nightcrawler's parents, or they may not. But you can't dismiss the possibility as there is nothing to indicate it won't happen.

 

[Gianakin_]

I didnt see any indications of Xavier and Magneto working together...yes I know they did in the comics but the comics and movies are two different entities(if they were one we'd have the original first class and not a random team put together).

there is no indication that movie Mystique is Nightcrawler's mother. Just like she didnt raise Rogue.

If X-Men and Magneto worked together in X2, they can certainly work together in Second Class, since they parted in a more-or-less friendly manner.

Plus, I've read that Vaughn is interested in exploring the reprecussions of Charles's exceptional mind, hinting that he could get temporarily mad and become the villain (something I'm VERY much looking forward to seeing), thus Magneto becoming the good guy of sorts, while trying to save his friend at the same time.

Heck, they're not flat out enemies in their first scene in X1, either.

 

[The Demon's Head]

EDIT: Don't mind me.

 

[Gianakin_]

Well, Mystique is now in the company of Azazel. They may be shown to be Nightcrawler's parents, or they may not. But you can't dismiss the possibility as there is nothing to indicate it won't happen.

As much as I'd like the to show that, I think that all 4 movies make the romance between Magneto and Mystique too apparent to have her sleep with Azazel. A love triangle between her, Azazel and Magneto is not something I can see happening easily.

Having said that, nothing can stop them from keeping Azazel as Nightcrawler's son, just from a different mother.

 

[X-Maniac]

If X-Men and Magneto worked together in X2, they can certainly work together in Second Class, since they parted in a more-or-less friendly manner.

Plus, I've read that Vaughn is interested in exploring the reprecussions of Charles's exceptional mind, hinting that he could get temporarily mad and become the villain (something I'm VERY much looking forward to seeing), thus Magneto becoming the good guy of sorts, while trying to save his friend at the same time.

Heck, they're not flat out enemies in their first scene in X1, either.

 

[X-Maniac]

As much as I'd like the to show that, I think that all 4 movies make the romance between Magneto and Mystique too apparent to have her sleep with Azazel. A love triangle between her, Azazel and Magneto is not something I can see happening easily.

Having said that, nothing can stop them from keeping Azazel as Nightcrawler's son, just from a different mother.

Yes, maybe, i was just putting the possibility in there. Whether they go with it is another matter. But this is the swinging 60s, lol.

 

[Gianakin_]

Yes, maybe, i was just putting the possibility in there. Whether they go with it is another matter. But this is the swinging 60s, lol.

I'd definitely see it happening if they hadn't touched on Mag and Mystique's romance in FC, but now that they did.... It's just that I don't see Azazel as an important enough character to warrant a love triangle or hold any kind of drama (although I love Jason Flemyng, so we're set actor-wise).

 

[The Demon's Head]

Watch the stand-off between Magneto and the cops in X1, with the knowledge of how Xavier became paralyzed. "Want to press your luck, Charles? I don't think I can stop them all."