HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - Part 13

[Reek]

How can anyone hate Ned. Show wise he is the best character.

 

[Reek]

Catelyn Stark would murder a baby with no hesitasion if it meant saving her own Stark children. Catelyn never cared for anyone besides her own family and thats what truly does make her..... wait for it..... que for rage..... EVIL! :b

So why is Jon still alive? Because Ned wouldn't approve? He would not have approved of Robb supporting Renly, or Cat releasing Jaime either...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

So I just finished all 3 seasons on DVD today. People that know me kept telling me to get on the GoT train, but I kept putting it off for years. I love ancient warrior stuff, so I understood what they saw as it's appeal to me, but... I am not big on the Sword and Sorcery genre in general, either in books or film. Last month I bought season one on a lark, but kept it sealed for another couple of weeks. Finally I opened it and from episode one it hooked me. picked up 2 and 3 and binged, binged, binged. It's a shame I don't have HBO. Now I will have to wait some time. Still... I think it's already a truly legendary series. But then again, when you give creative people the resources to realize their vision and provide audiences with quality material that can challenge their assumptions rather than just appeal to the lowest common denominator the results are usually spectacular.

 

[Drz]

So why is Jon still alive? Because Ned wouldn't approve? He would not have approved of Robb supporting Renly, or Cat releasing Jaime either...

Re-read my post, i said Catelyn would murder a baby that doesn't belong to her family without hesitasion if it would help her own family.

Murdering Jon Snow never would have helped anyone in the story.

 

[Sawyer]

How can anyone hate Ned. Show wise he is the best character.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I didn't really like Catelyn because she had stone-cold heart. She deserved to die.

 

[Drizzle]

How can anyone hate Ned. Show wise he is the best character.

 

[Drz]

 

[CaptainCanada]

GRRM said in an interview at the end of last year that there's a VERY controversial Sansa chapter coming up in WoW.

No, he didn't say that. Elio Garcia, one of the founds of Westeros.org and a close associate of GRRM's, was misquoted by an interviewer on there being a "sure to be controversial Sansa chapter", when in fact what he actually said was that "some" people in the fandom "might" find it controversial.

Cat is a hypocrite in the book and on the show. Cat on the show admits as much when she tells the story of when Jon was a baby and sick.

That scene in the show was grossly out of character (Catelyn in general on the show is, for that matter).

Cat does her duty when it fits her.

The incident you cite ties back to "family", another part of the Tully motto. It was a mistake, but an understandable one (the show, weirdly, created an excuse for her, but then forgot about it).

The show scene where she tells the story of Jon sick as a baby is a perfect example of how ridiculous and cruel this treatment is. She knows it, and still can't stop it.

Again, that scene was not in the books, and has no bearing on Book!Catelyn.

It is extremely selfish.

Concern for her children is not selfish, even if you start from the assumption that Catelyn has no right to be offended by the presence of her husband's bastard in her household against her wishes and Westerosi social convention. Even Ned acknowledges as much.

And what, she treated him like crap

She did not "treat him like crap", she ignored him. She was not his mother, and explicitly not responsible for him, so she made a point of having nothing to do with him. GRRM himself said that she was not abusive.

When Jon tries to say goodbye to Bran.

A singular episode done out of great grief, as confirmed by GRRM, not something typical of their relationship.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Oh **** I misquoted a misquote!

 

[CaptainCanada]

That line in the interview spread like wildfire, so it's not surprising. Just bad journalism. Garcia clarified it in some posts on the Westeros.org forum, but the clarification didn't reach nearly the same number of people (even within the forum).

 

[Marvolo]

That line in the interview spread like wildfire, so it's not surprising. Just bad journalism. Garcia clarified it in some posts on the Westeros.org forum, but the clarification didn't reach nearly the same number of people (even within the forum).

Which line?

 

[Marvolo]

Game of Thrones: Directing Season 4 HD


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[Drz]

<3 Neil Marshall, poor Reek and Jon Snow, so much grief.

 

[MiffaLadd_]

I'm just approaching the end of the first book but in the series I really like the reactions to big deaths like of course Ned's, so I hope we see a lot of reaction to the Red Wedding from people who didn't know about by the end of season 3. I'm rewatching the series so can't remember exactly but other than the Kings Landing lot and Arya I think the others still need to find out.

 

[MiffaLadd_]

Game of Thrones: Directing Season 4 HD


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Not the face I had imagined for Alik Sakharov. Listened to his and Cogman's commentary to season 2, episode 3 yesterday having never heard him speak or seen him and in my head I had Deadshot from Arrow for whatever reason.

 

[Victarion]

If you buy that Catelyn

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gave Petyr her maidenhead, maybe she came to regret it for whatever reason. Perhaps seeing Jon reminds her of that.

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[Spidey-Bat]

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She didn't though. Littlefinger was drunk and thought Lysa was Cat.

 

[DACrowe]

For those that defend her treatment of Jon, why is it her first and continuous instinct to distrust and scorn? Why not love, why not compassionate? You know, like her kids. Because he isn't her's and thus does not matter to her. She is selfish. The things she taught Robb and Sansa to say to Jon as a child were cruel.

I think the difference is that Cat has flaws, primarily her treatment of Jon Snow. Yet, many like myself point out that she is not necessarily more flawed than Robb or Ned, or Stannis, and is certainly a "better person" than Jaime Lannister. Yet, the same fans who revile her or Dany for that matter, tend to give those aforementioned characters a nice break.

 

[Reek]

How can anyone hate Ned. Show wise he is the best character.

<3 Neil Marshall, poor Reek and Jon Snow, so much grief.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think the difference is that Cat has flaws, primarily her treatment of Jon Snow. Yet, many like myself point out that she is not necessarily more flawed than Robb or Ned, or Stannis, and is certainly a "better person" than Jaime Lannister. Yet, the same fans who revile her or Dany for that matter, tend to give those aforementioned characters a nice break.

Ned is flawed in an honorable way. His biggest flaw is he is a good person. I liken Ned to Luke Skywalker, Harry Potter or even Jon Snow. The big difference is he pays for it with his life.

Jaime gets points for redemption. He has seen the error of his ways, he understands his flws and he is trying to change. That makes him intriguing, but not necessarily a "better" person.

Stannis is completely self-aware, which some find admirable. He knows what he is and he makes his decision accordingly.

Cat is kind of like Tywin, without the self-awareness. Tywin doesn't lie to himself. He knows why he does what he does. Cat isn't nearly as self-aware. She romanticizes her views and her own actions.

Dany is delusional and put on a pedestal, that is why I give her a hard time. However, [BLACKOUT]at the end of ADWD she might have finally realized that[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Naked Shia]

I'm sorry but Ned would destroy Tyrion in a fist fight.

 

[Drizzle]

I'm sorry but Ned would destroy Tyrion in a fist fight.

And Tyrion would destroy Ned in a battle of wits.

 

[Naked Shia]

And Tyrion would destroy Ned in a battle of wits.

TRUE!

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But since he would have been crushed by his sword first, it really doesn't matter.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I'm sorry but Ned would destroy Tyrion in a fist fight.

Ned and Jaime prove that being a good fighter does not prevent you from losing important parts of your body in Westeros.