HBO's Game of Thrones - Part 15

[Maximus One]

Tyrion is a total dick in the books

 

[Marvolo]

Tyrion is a total dick in the books

Ive never gotten that vibe from book Tyrion.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Ive never gotten that vibe from book Tyrion.

You mean you never thought he was a dick when threatened to rape Tommen or when he [blackout] threatened to rape and strangle one of Illyrio's ****es? Or when he ****ed that Volantian sex-slave despite knowing full well he was hurting her? [/blackout]

He's not a *****bag,and generally he's likeable enough, but he's cruel and vicious from time to time.

 

[Marvolo]

You mean you never thought he was a dick when threatened to rape Tommen or when he [blackout] threatened to rape and strangle one of Illyrio's ****es? Or when he ****ed that Volantian sex-slave despite knowing full well he was hurting her? [/blackout]

He's not a *****bag,and generally he's likeable enough, but he's cruel and vicious from time to time.

I don't remember him threatening to rape his nephew at all. If he did say that then I didn't take it seriously cause Tyrion would never do that. I can't believe anyone would take that seriously. Tyrion spends most of ADWD making BS claims and living up to the cruel dwarf monster stigma, but it isn't because he is a cruel little dwarf. It's because the world has **** on him and he's just pretending to be what the people expect him to be. So threatening to rape and strangle a ****e would fit in with that image and it is no way the the same as doing the deed. That's what matters to me. His actions, not his words. Which book did he hurt the sex-slave in? I don't remember reading that in ADWD, and I can't find anything on it.

 

[Roose Bolton]

He threatens to rape Tommen in ACoKs to scare Cersei, sure he'd never actually do it, but say such a thing to a mother, even if she is Cersei is pretty horrid thing.

The ****e he threatens basically didn't look dissapointed enough when he turned her down so he figured he'd scare the **** out of her. It was petty and needlessly cruel, even if he was going through a tough time. She didn't deserve that **** just because she didn't find him attractive.

He ****s the Volantian sex-slave in the same chapter [blackout] where he meets Jorah [/blackout]

He's not a bad person, nor am I saying that, but he is definitely a lot more meaner in the books than on the show.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Is Daario supposed to be likeable?

Because, if he is...then I guess the new guy is a better fit. I liked the last guy because he came across like an overconfident prick who happened to have a very punchable face. I thought it worked well with Jorah being so likeable.

Well, I think they established show Daario as a distinct character from the books, when they decided to do without his eccentric appearance and mannerisms. I do agree with you on the previous guy being more punchable and having that 'love to hate him' trait.

The new guy comes across more as a lovable rogue, at least to me, especially with the beard and the fact his face is not punchable. t:

And again, I can actually take this Daario seriously, compared to surfer dude Fabio (which, btw, is a hilarious nickname ).

So, this season has (so far) been the one that I think has had the most deviations from the books. What do the other book readers feel about this? I'm a bit back and forth on it. There's only been one change I absolutely disliked (Jamie/Cersei), but that's been talked to death. And the show has been treating it like it didn't even happen. Some I've enjoyed more (Bronn swapped for Payne, more development on the Red Viper, all the Arya/Hound stuff), and some I've been a bit ambivalent on, like the raid on Crasters. I didn't mind the whole segment, it was fun, but it also definitely could have been cut. However, I know why they're doing it, they had to give Bran more things to do otherwise they'd be caught up to his arc in the books mid-way through next season.

How are others feeling?

Personally, probably the only thing I've been disappointed in so far in what concerns adapting the book material has been the lack of Coldhands. I understand that they wanted to give Jon a big hero moment, but damn, I just really enjoy the mystery around the character in the books and I would've really liked for that be brought to the screen as well.

 

[Neptune]

Who or what is Coldhands?

 

[Roose Bolton]

An undead member of the Night's Watch who is sentient and helps Bran.

Well that sucks. I love Stannis, and I don't see how he's any less sympathetic than at least half the other characters on the show, lol.

What's bizzarre about it, is that if you watch the behind the scenes for Episode 2, the disparity between them is really odd. Dan Weiss will say something like "Stannis is an utter fanatic," and then a moment later David Benioff will say "Stannis is a pragmatist, he doesn't really follow the Red God in a theological sense."

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah the whitewashing of the Lannisters has been really annoying. I'm fairly certain Cersei is a straight up psychopath in the books, and her "motherly love" is basically her being a possessive, narcissist who only cares about her children as extensions of herself. She's a major villain and a very destructive person and yet they've largely given all her negative acts to Joffrey.


That would be Dan Weiss. He's said before that he doesn't think there are any sympathetic elements to Stannis. Which is weird when you see Dave Benioff discuss Stannis, because he seems to go by the books a bit more in his approach.

I'm confused by your guys' use of the word "whitewashing." I've only ever heard that applied to situations when characters that are typically other races are played by white actors. (John Wayne as Genghis Khan, Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan) ect. Do you mean that they're making them nicer? Because if so, I've definitely noticed that with Cersei. They've made her much more controlled and human in the show.

I honestly haven't minded it though, because book Cersei bugged the crap out of me. Especially when we got her POV chapters in Bk 4.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

"Whitewashing" means covering up their faults.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

...since when exactly? I've always heard used in a racial context, especially in regards to the last airbender

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah, I've never heard whitewashing used in that way before. It made me question things for a second. I was sitting there going "Was Tyrion black in the books and I missed it?"

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'm confused by your guys' use of the word "whitewashing." I've only ever heard that applied to situations when characters that are typically other races are played by white actors. (John Wayne as Genghis Khan, Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan) ect. Do you mean that they're making them nicer? Because if so, I've definitely noticed that with Cersei. They've made her much more controlled and human in the show.

I honestly haven't minded it though, because book Cersei bugged the crap out of me. Especially when we got her POV chapters in Bk 4.

In this context it means erasing their faults.


I was annoyed with Cersei too...but I think it serves a purpose. She's insane and a major threat to everyone in King's Landing. Aerys with teats as the characters would say. Shes probably the most evil POV character in the series, so I would hope that the show respects that by maintaining some of her cruelty.


Also, I can't be the only one who wants the lesbian scene from AFFC.t:

 

[Spidey-Bat]

...since when exactly? I've always heard used in a racial context, especially in regards to the last airbender

1762 apparently

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/whitewashing?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic

1591, "to wash a building surface with white liquid," from white + wash. Fig. sense of "to cover up, conceal" is attested from 1762. The noun is recorded from 1697.

 

[Infinity9999x]

1762 apparently

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/whitewashing?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic

Yeah, that definition still fits the racial issue better. It doesn't say "To make something seem better," only to cover up.

It's a semantics thing really, but I've never heard it used in this context before.

I was annoyed with Cersei too...but I think it serves a purpose. She's insane and a major threat to everyone in King's Landing. Aerys with teats as the characters would say. Shes probably the most evil POV character in the series, so I would hope that the show respects that by maintaining some of her cruelty.


Also, I can't be the only one who wants the lesbian scene from AFFC.

She definitely came off that way in the books. But instead of straight up insanity, it was more a combination of paranoia and just plain horrible planning. Book Cersei was just clever enough to make giant blunders.

Series Cersei definitely seems smarter, but they still retain her cruelty and some of the paranoia. They just gave us more backstory explaining the cruelty. But honestly, I don't think I'd be interested in watching 5 plus seasons of book Cersei. The show's version I find much more interesting, and less grating.

And I'm assuming you're referring to the Danny scene? Well, Emila Clarke is a very attractive woman....t:

 

[Pink Ranger]

...since when exactly? I've always heard used in a racial context, especially in regards to the last airbender

Traditionally, "whitewashing" as an expression has referred to the non-racial covering up of faults, errors or malfeasance. The use of "whitewashing" a la airbender really only started being used in the age of blogging.

 

[Hyde]

About 650 pages into ACOK. Was quite surprised to see that Arya is never Tywin's cupbearer in the books, but rather Roose Bolton's. There was no overthrowing of Harrenhal by the Northmen in Season 2 either, and the warlocks don't kidnap the dragons in the book. I think I prefer Tywin to Roose, but I'd have liked to see Arya, Ja'qen and the others try to take Harrenhal, even if they lost in the end.

The visions Daenerys has in the House of the Undying were really interesting. I can only remember the frozen Iron Throne one from the show, and that was in the book too, but I spotted visions of the Red Wedding, the Mhysa scene and one where Aerys tends to baby Aegon.

Spoiler

My friend mentioned that to me before but he told me it was Rhaegar, although I'm certain it's Aerys. The scene describes him as an old man sitting on the Iron Throne, and he says "Let him be king over charred bones and cooked meat," in reference to Robert, which is the line Jaime quotes in his confession to Brienne in ASOS. He also refers to the baby as his "song of ice and fire," which my friend said was a reference to R+L=J and the baby being Jon, but that's obviously not the case. Could that mean that the title of the saga is in reference to Aegon/Young Griff?

There was some other awesome stuff but I couldn't figure out what it was, whether it was old stuff or visions of the future. Have any of them come true except the ones I said?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Yeah, that definition still fits the racial issue better. It doesn't say "To make something seem better," only to cover up.

It's a semantics thing really, but I've never heard it used in this context before.

This part:

1591, "to wash a building surface with white liquid," from white + wash. Fig. sense of "to cover up, conceal" is attested from 1762. The noun is recorded from 1697.

As in cover up and conceal faults. It's also the second definition listed.

anything, as deceptive words or actions, used to cover up or gloss over faults, errors, or wrongdoings, or absolve a wrongdoer from blame.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

And I'm assuming you're referring to the Danny scene? Well, Emila Clarke is a very attractive woman....t:

I Believe he refers to Cersei and Taena's wild nights.

 

[Roose Bolton]

About 650 pages into ACOK. Was quite surprised to see that Arya is never Tywin's cupbearer in the books, but rather Roose Bolton's. There was no overthrowing of Harrenhal by the Northmen in Season 2 either, and the warlocks don't kidnap the dragons in the book. I think I prefer Tywin to Roose, but I'd have liked to see Arya, Ja'qen and the others try to take Harrenhal, even if they lost in the end.

The visions Daenerys has in the House of the Undying were really interesting. I can only remember the frozen Iron Throne one from the show, and that was in the book too, but I spotted visions of the Red Wedding, the Mhysa scene and one where Aerys tends to baby Aegon.

Spoiler

My friend mentioned that to me before but he told me it was Rhaegar, although I'm certain it's Aerys. The scene describes him as an old man sitting on the Iron Throne, and he says "Let him be king over charred bones and cooked meat," in reference to Robert, which is the line Jaime quotes in his confession to Brienne in ASOS. He also refers to the baby as his "song of ice and fire," which my friend said was a reference to R+L=J and the baby being Jon, but that's obviously not the case. Could that mean that the title of the saga is in reference to Aegon/Young Griff?

There was some other awesome stuff but I couldn't figure out what it was, whether it was old stuff or visions of the future. Have any of them come true except the ones I said?

It was Rhaegar with Aegon, we see him sitting with Elia and even playing a harp.

 

[Hush]

To whitewash is a metaphor meaning to gloss over or cover up vices, crimes or scandals or to exonerate by means of a perfunctory investigation or through biased presentation of data. It is especially used in the context of corporations, governments or other organizations

 

[iamlegend]

He threatens to rape Tommen in ACoKs to scare Cersei, sure he'd never actually do it, but say such a thing to a mother, even if she is Cersei is pretty horrid thing.

The ****e he threatens basically didn't look dissapointed enough when he turned her down so he figured he'd scare the **** out of her. It was petty and needlessly cruel, even if he was going through a tough time. She didn't deserve that **** just because she didn't find him attractive.

He ****s the Volantian sex-slave in the same chapter [blackout] where he meets Jorah [/blackout]

He's not a bad person, nor am I saying that, but he is definitely a lot more meaner in the books than on the show.

He also...

Spoiler

Was very, very close to "getting it done" with Sansa in the books, and largely stopped himself more because of how disgusted she was of him, rather than because he thought it was the right thing to do. He wanted her to want it.

Tyrion has absolutely been made far more sympathetic for the show's purposes.

 

[Maximus One]

I'm 660 pages into ACoK and NONE of that stuff has even happened yet lol. I'm not even sure if Dany's dragons are missing yet

 

[Buford The Sly]

About 650 pages into ACOK. Was quite surprised to see that Arya is never Tywin's cupbearer in the books, but rather Roose Bolton's. There was no overthrowing of Harrenhal by the Northmen in Season 2 either, and the warlocks don't kidnap the dragons in the book. I think I prefer Tywin to Roose, but I'd have liked to see Arya, Ja'qen and the others try to take Harrenhal, even if they lost in the end.

The visions Daenerys has in the House of the Undying were really interesting. I can only remember the frozen Iron Throne one from the show, and that was in the book too, but I spotted visions of the Red Wedding, the Mhysa scene and one where Aerys tends to baby Aegon.

Spoiler

My friend mentioned that to me before but he told me it was Rhaegar, although I'm certain it's Aerys. The scene describes him as an old man sitting on the Iron Throne, and he says "Let him be king over charred bones and cooked meat," in reference to Robert, which is the line Jaime quotes in his confession to Brienne in ASOS. He also refers to the baby as his "song of ice and fire," which my friend said was a reference to R+L=J and the baby being Jon, but that's obviously not the case. Could that mean that the title of the saga is in reference to Aegon/Young Griff?

There was some other awesome stuff but I couldn't figure out what it was, whether it was old stuff or visions of the future. Have any of them come true except the ones I said?

This is probably book thread talk but

Spoiler

I believe Young Griff is the pretender dragon from Quaithe's warnings.

Speaking of her I hope they bring her back into the show soon.

 

[Havok83]

Is Daario supposed to be likeable?

Because, if he is...then I guess the new guy is a better fit. I liked the last guy because he came across like an overconfident prick who happened to have a very punchable face. I thought it worked well with Jorah being so likeable.

I found him likeable with the old actor whom, I preferred. He had tons of charisma and worked well with Dani. Now wit the new guy, I just dont care. He comes across very generic with many other types like him on this show. He doesnt quite stand out like the old guy did