HBO's Game of Thrones - - Part 16

[squeekness]

An episode without Tyrion makes Squeeky sad, just sad.

 

[Sawyer]

This show has a cast of, like, fifty thousand. They can't all be in every episode...

 

[Victarion]

The funny thing about Rob and Cat is that I don't think Ned would have wanted them to do any of the King in the North business.

I'm also looking forward to the Wall-centric episode. It's my favorite plot in the books at the moment.

Something I've noticed that's really cute: readers framing big spoilers as "theories."

 

[Drizzle]

 

[scatterax]

Well, yes and no. Because he's the author, GRRM can write a legitimate death for whomever he wants.

That said, the dude has openly and repeatedly admitted that he killed Robb and Catelyn because so many people expected them to avenge Ned. As soon as he saw that he started crafting their gory demise just to stun people.

If that's true then Jon and dany are screwed. 2 books to go. A lot of room for one of them to die.

 

[iamlegend]

The funny thing about Rob and Cat is that I don't think Ned would have wanted them to do any of the King in the North business.

I'm also looking forward to the Wall-centric episode. It's my favorite plot in the books at the moment.

Something I've noticed that's really cute: readers framing big spoilers as "theories."

Oh most certainly not. Ned hated that HE had to get caught up in the crap down at King's Landing. He most certainly wouldn't have wanted Robb to enter the fray. Ned was a hardcore isolationist, and, once you've seen the remainder of Westeros, it's easy to see why.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://imgur.com/gallery/y0UKCRi

Enjoy.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Holly s***t that poster!!!

However, as a book reader, I don't fully understand the fire.

 

[Drz]

The funny thing about Rob and Cat is that I don't think Ned would have wanted them to do any of the King in the North business.

Ned Stark was supporting Stannis Baratheon, yeah.

 

[Silvermoon]

Not sure if this got posted, but French version of the ep9 promo has some additional footage in it. [BLACKOUT]looks like Mammoths are indeed present[/BLACKOUT] t:

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno...I think saying Game of Thrones is nihilistic is pretty accurate. I'm not saying it's torture porn or that being a morally reprehensible person is a good thing. But, the overall theme or message of GoT does seem nihilistic to me.

 

[chamber-music]

Jon Snow will be showing terrorists he knows nothing in the Spooks/MI5 spin off movie he has been shooting recently

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I dunno...I think saying Game of Thrones is nihilistic is pretty accurate. I'm not saying it's torture porn or that being a morally reprehensible person is a good thing. But, the overall theme or message of GoT does seem nihilistic to me.

I would say it is. My general viewpoint on life tends to be pretty nihilistic and I think that may be one of the main reasons I am drawn to Game of Thrones.

 

[Silvermoon]

Jon Snow will be showing terrorists he knows nothing in the Spooks/MI5 spin off movie he has been shooting recently

That's right, I remember hearing that they were doing a Spooks/MI5 movie.

I'm still kind of pissed off at what the tv series ended up doing to the Richard Armitage's "Lucas North" character, though A good portion of series/season 9 no longer exists in my mind *lol*

 

[Mikelus]

Well, yes and no. Because he's the author, GRRM can write a legitimate death for whomever he wants.

That said, the dude has openly and repeatedly admitted that he killed Robb and Catelyn because so many people expected them to avenge Ned. As soon as he saw that he started crafting their gory demise just to stun people.

Exactly, GRRM could easily kill off most of the characters, there are too many anyway. I have the feeling that at the end of the series, either Arya, Sansa or Tyrion will be the ruler of the Seven Kingdoms, maybe the one that had suffered the most for the symbolism of it.

And speaking of criticism, here's a good one from a while ago (it has SPOILERS from the books): http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/08/26...e-what-the-r-stands-for-in-george-r-r-martin/

 

[chamber-music]

That's right, I remember hearing that they were doing a Spooks/MI5 movie.

I'm still kind of pissed off at what the tv series ended up doing to the Richard Armitage's "Lucas North" character, though A good portion of series/season 9 no longer exists in my mind *lol*

Richard Armitage, Rupert Penny Jones, David Oyelowo, ect.

Spooks/MI5 loves killing off leads as much as Game Of Thrones does.

Jorah Mormont (Ian Glenn didn't last long on Spooks/MI5)

 

[Victarion]

I've heard conflicting bits of information when it comes to how GRRM depicts the middle age esque timeperiod. Some people say the real middle ages weren't at all as misogynistic as Planetos, while others say that yes, they really were.

 

[jonathancrane]

I gave up reading the above article. Martin's work is far from perfect and should be examined through the prisms of gender, politics, race, etc. However, the above text fails; I stopped reading after a paragraph.

First, it reads as if the author is yelling into the computer. Unlike the screen writing Hulk who writes in all caps, the above poster ends every sentence with an exclamation point and has their argument come off as an emotional rant, instead of a cool, methodical approach. They should consult S.T. Joshi for a model on how to approach race in a decidedly problematic text (as Joshi did Lovecraft,) and any of the feminist thinkers in the new canon.

It's hard to take a discussion of important issues seriously when the text has the crude structure, emotional tingeing, and repeated failed attempts at humor as someone embarking on a rant.

 

[Sawyer]

Exactly, GRRM could easily kill off most of the characters, there are too many anyway. I have the feeling that at the end of the series, either Arya, Sansa or Tyrion will be the ruler of the Seven Kingdoms, maybe the one that had suffered the most for the symbolism of it.

I'm not all that interested in which one ends up ruling, I just reeeeally want to see either Sansa or Arya personally kill Cersei. Maybe both of them.

 

[Mikelus]

I would say it is. My general viewpoint on life tends to be pretty nihilistic and I think that may be one of the main reasons I am drawn to Game of Thrones.

Interesting... what do you believe in then?

nihilism: a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless; a doctrine or belief that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility

Any of various philosophical positions that deny that there are objective foundations for human value systems. In 19th-century Russia the term was applied to a philosophy of skepticism that opposed all forms of aestheticism and advocated utilitarianism and scientific rationalism; it was popularized through the figure of Bazarov in Ivan Turgenev's Fathers and Sons (1862). Rejecting the social sciences, classical philosophical systems, and the established social order, nihilism rejected the authority of the state, the church, and the family. It gradually became associated with political terror and degenerated into a philosophy of violence.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nihilism

 

[Ramsay Snow]

David Nutter will direct Episodes 9 and 10 of Season 5 - he directed the Red Wedding previously.

http://winteriscoming.net/2014/06/03/david-nutter-confirmed-game-thrones-season-5/

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I dunno...I think saying Game of Thrones is nihilistic is pretty accurate. I'm not saying it's torture porn or that being a morally reprehensible person is a good thing. But, the overall theme or message of GoT does seem nihilistic to me.

I've always just took it as "everybody dies".

I mean look at Littlefinger, he's a morally reprehensible little dick who threw the entire continent into conflict cuz he wanted to doink Cat. And he never even got to. But he's right when he says "[people die at their dinner tables chamber pots. You shouldn't worry about your death. You should worry about your life]".

Also, even though a load of people have died, only a few POV characters have.

 

[jonathancrane]

Nice!

 

[Victarion]

I see all the death and violence as less reinforcement of the nihilist philosophy and more "death is unpredictable, so make the most of the time you've got." Giving life meaning, basically.