The Dark Knight Heath Ledger Dead - ALL talk/rememberance and discussion in here

[The Senator]

It is too early to tell so who knows.

But yet again, exactaly what you said is how many sounded about LOTR before FOTR was even released. Some said hey maybe it will get some Oscars. And everyone said no way, a fantasy film? Wizard's? Dragons, Dark lords oh my. And it sure showed people wrong.

I can't say one way or another, but times do change. I just don't like the people that think TDK can't have a chance because its not some artsy independent/depressing film. Gladiator surprised everyone as well. People will not nominate Heath just because he died this I will agree with, but if his performance is as great as many have claimed, then he very well might.

Okay, except that The Lord of the Rings was hailed as a cinematic masterpiece, complete with groundbreaking effects and excellent acting. The entire trilogy served as this decade's Star Wars, Indiana Jones or Titanic.

Comic book movies have never fared well with the academy, and I don't see why TDK will be an exception. Even though this will probably be considered the best Batman movie in the history of the character's film franchises, it just won't be nominated. If Batman Begins wasn't nominated in any major categories, then why would The Dark Knight be?

Heath might get nominated, but a win is out of the question. He would have better chances with The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, if the studio ever finishes production on it. It comes down to what the academy will embrace. The Lord of the Rings was far more artsy and groundbreaking than any superhero movie could ever hope to be. That's the concrete truth of it.

 

[Green Scar]

Say he did get nominated but DIDN'T win. imagine how big of a *****e the winner would feel like.

 

[The Senator]

Say he did get nominated but DIDN'T win. imagine how big of a *****e the winner would feel like.

The winner isn't going to care because he lost to Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker. By the time this is all said and done, more than a year would have passed between Heath's death and the Academy Awards. His death won't be fresh on anyone's mind, and if the winner is an esteemed actor who has been working for his award, he'll accept it with honor. For example, if it's between Heath Ledger and, say, Peter O'Toole, I highly doubt the latter would really care.

There may be a mention of Heath somewhere in the speech, but... no actor in their right mind would feel like crap because he won an Oscar over the dead guy.

 

[Axtech]

A photo taken by a friend of mine. This is the skateshop from Lords of Dogtown in Santa Monica.

I just watched the movie today. That's a really nice little memorial right there. Here's hoping it doesn't get washed off or painted over.

 

[LibraryKrystal]

I just watched the movie today. That's a really nice little memorial right there. Here's hoping it doesn't get washed off or painted over.

Hear hear, Axtech.

 

[Solidus]

Okay, except that The Lord of the Rings was hailed as a cinematic masterpiece, complete with groundbreaking effects and excellent acting. The entire trilogy served as this decade's Star Wars, Indiana Jones or Titanic.

Comic book movies have never fared well with the academy, and I don't see why TDK will be an exception. Even though this will probably be considered the best Batman movie in the history of the character's film franchises, it just won't be nominated. If Batman Begins wasn't nominated in any major categories, then why would The Dark Knight be?

Heath might get nominated, but a win is out of the question. He would have better chances with The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, if the studio ever finishes production on it. It comes down to what the academy will embrace. The Lord of the Rings was far more artsy and groundbreaking than any superhero movie could ever hope to be. That's the concrete truth of it.

Yes I am a huge LOTR fan, and I agree it was ground breaking. But you act as if you know for such a fact, and that is something no one can do. You can have your feeling towards it but you don't know for a fact.

I'm not saying your wrong, but I'm not saying your 100% right.

To put it in rough words: S*** happens.

You never know. There is a first time for everything isn't there?

 

[The Senator]

Yes I am a huge LOTR fan, and I agree it was ground breaking. But you act as if you know for such a fact, and that is something no one can do. You can have your feeling towards it but you don't know for a fact.

I'm not saying your wrong, but I'm not saying your 100% right.

To put it in rough words: S*** happens.

You never know. There is a first time for everything isn't there?

Study the history of the Academy Awards as I have done.

I'm basing my hypothesis on academy voting behavior, not wishful thinking.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Everyone's wrong at one point or another. But, I'm saying that there is no precedent which guarantees his nomination.

 

[p.marlowe]

I've always thought that the Academy voted more for an actors whole body of work, as opposed to just a single performance. Some acceptions yes...

Plus, isn't the whole thing a big popularity contest anyway?

 

[Solidus]

Study the history of the Academy Awards as I have done.

I'm basing my hypothesis on academy voting behavior, not wishful thinking.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Everyone's wrong at one point or another. But, I'm saying that there is no precedent which guarantees his nomination.

I have a minor in ancient history so I never had time to read the history of the Academy. Yet in my history classes of most civilizations and groups of government or groups of any political stature one thing remains constant, people die, new people take the lead or take over the group. And most importantly times do change, groups change, government changes.

All I'm saying its not impossible. But as I see it there is a lot of people who have Academy Awards that in my eyes had no precedent what so ever to win their awards, but that is not for topic here.

All I'm saying is maybe this will be different. Who knows?

 

[The Senator]

I've always thought that the Academy voted more for an actors whole body of work, as opposed to just a single performance. Some acceptions yes...

Plus, isn't the whole thing a big popularity contest anyway?

Some actors get judged on a whole body of work.

Alan Arkin, Paul Newman, and Robert Duvall come to mind. If Peter O'Toole ever wins one in an acting category, he'll be judged the same way.

Most get judged on individual performances. Philip Seymour Hoffman, Jamie Foxx and Reese Witherspoon are the more recent examples. Foxx and Witherspoon didn't have the most attractive track record out there, if you ask me. Somehow, I don't see why the Academy would regret not having given awards for "Bait" or "Sweet Home Alabama."

 

[The Senator]

I have a minor in ancient history so I never had time to read the history of the Academy. Yet in my history classes of most civilizations and groups of government or groups of any political stature one thing remains constant, people die, new people take the lead or take over the group. And most importantly times do change, groups change, government changes.

Except with the Academy, a bunch of 60-somethings move on to be replaced by a bunch of 50-somethings who vote the same way.

All I'm saying its not impossible. But as I see it there is a lot of people who have Academy Awards that in my eyes had no precedent what so ever to win their awards, but that is not for topic here.

Well, you haven't looked hard enough, then. After the 1970s, the voting behavior of the Academy became rather consistent and predictable.

All I'm saying is maybe this will be different. Who knows?

Right. He may get nominated. Then again, he probably won't. He has a better shot at the Golden Globes, though, if you ask me. That's where they honor big-named stars.

The Oscars is a different ballpark, and unless his performance is hailed by every critic and remembered explicitly through December, then he probably won't find himself nominated.

 

[p.marlowe]

I just saw the Dark Knight Blog. Chris Nolan writes about Ledger! I think I'm too young on this board to post a link. It's at the top of the Perezhilton website my lady just said. I hope you all know what I'm talking about...

 

[BatSpider]

I just saw the Dark Knight Blog. Chris Nolan writes about Ledger! I think I'm too young on this board to post a link. It's at the top of the Perezhilton website my lady just said. I hope you all know what I'm talking about...

Old....

but good try, young one

 

[p.marlowe]

Old....

but good try, young one

Yeah Whoops! Hey oh well...

 

[SilentControl]

Heath Ledger's last film, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, is the latest in a string of films made by former Monty Python Terry Gilliam to be thunderstruck by bad luck. In this case, however, Ledger's friend Johnny Depp might be willing to step up and take over the part so that Heath's last film might be finished. There is apparently a piece of the film in which Ledger's character falls though a magic mirror, and, at that time, it would be logical for another character to take his place. It would be excellent if they were able to finish the film and seal Ledger's legacy, and for Gilliam to finally have the opportunity to finish a film.

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/index.html?t=682384#682384

 

[Damiean Dark]

I think Ledger getting an oscar for TDK is more wishful thinking then a reality.

 

[BatSpider]

I think Ledger getting an oscar for TDK is more wishful thinking then a reality.

maybe

just maybe

 

[FlawlessVictory]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=+1]Day-Lewis Dedicates Award to Ledger[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Daniel Day-Lewis dedicated his Screen Actors Guild Award to Heath Ledger. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Day-Lewis, who was honored Sunday as leading actor for his performance in "There Will Be Blood," gave an acceptance speech that echoed comments he made last week about Ledger, the 28-year-old Australian actor whose death stunned Hollywood, on "The Oprah Winfrey Show." [/SIZE][/FONT]
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"In 'Brokeback Mountain' he was unique, he was perfect," Day-Lewis said. "That scene in the trailer at the end of the film is as moving as anything I think I've ever seen."

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1] Backstage, the 50-year-old Day-Lewis said he never met Ledger but the actor's death was all he had been thinking about recently. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]"I thought he was beautiful. I just had a very strong feeling I would have liked him very much as a man," he said. "I admired him very much. I'm absolutely certain he would have done many wonderful things in his life." [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Several prescription drugs were found in the apartment where Ledger's body was found Tuesday by his masseuse. The cause of death is awaiting toxicology tests. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]During the awards show religious protesters gathered across the street from the Shrine Auditorium, toting signs that read, "Heath's in Hell," a reference to his "Brokeback Mountain" role in which he portrayed a gay cowboy. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]"We should leave him alone and we should leave his family alone to suffer their unimaginable grief in private, and it's not going to happen," Day-Lewis said backstage. "We should just stop encouraging people to have greater and greater interest in raking over every detail, which is none of our business anyhow." [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Ledger's photo from his Oscar-nominated role in 2005's "Brokeback Mountain" closed the SAG award show's in-memoriam segment.[/SIZE][/FONT]


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[hegele]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=+1]Day-Lewis Dedicates Award to Ledger[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Sunday January 27 11:05 PM ET[/SIZE][/FONT]

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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Daniel Day-Lewis dedicated his Screen Actors Guild Award to Heath Ledger. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Day-Lewis, who was honored Sunday as leading actor for his performance in "There Will Be Blood," gave an acceptance speech that echoed comments he made last week about Ledger, the 28-year-old Australian actor whose death stunned Hollywood, on "The Oprah Winfrey Show." [/SIZE][/FONT]
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"In 'Brokeback Mountain' he was unique, he was perfect," Day-Lewis said. "That scene in the trailer at the end of the film is as moving as anything I think I've ever seen."

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1] Backstage, the 50-year-old Day-Lewis said he never met Ledger but the actor's death was all he had been thinking about recently. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]"I thought he was beautiful. I just had a very strong feeling I would have liked him very much as a man," he said. "I admired him very much. I'm absolutely certain he would have done many wonderful things in his life." [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Several prescription drugs were found in the apartment where Ledger's body was found Tuesday by his masseuse. The cause of death is awaiting toxicology tests. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]During the awards show religious protesters gathered across the street from the Shrine Auditorium, toting signs that read, "Heath's in Hell," a reference to his "Brokeback Mountain" role in which he portrayed a gay cowboy. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]"We should leave him alone and we should leave his family alone to suffer their unimaginable grief in private, and it's not going to happen," Day-Lewis said backstage. "We should just stop encouraging people to have greater and greater interest in raking over every detail, which is none of our business anyhow." [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Ledger's photo from his Oscar-nominated role in 2005's "Brokeback Mountain" closed the SAG award show's in-memoriam segment.[/SIZE][/FONT]


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class act. I have nothing but admiration and respect for D-Day Lewis.

 

[jimmy]

This thread is morbid.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Considering this year's Oscar contenders haven't emerged yet, I don't think anyone can assume he will be nominated.

But if by some twist of fate this performance is nominated, he will not win. No way. This is not the type of role the Academy goes for, and why should they? Because he died? How many talented actors in non-Oscar-baity roles have been nominated for an award, let alone won?

The only nominee I can think of in this situation is Anne Ramsey from "Throw Momma Off the Train."

The last winner to win an award posthumously was Peter Finch for "Network," and he gave an astounding performance. His death wasn't the sole reason for either his nomination or his win; it was his performance.

The Academy isn't sitting down and drooling in anticipation over "The Dark Knight." And after it comes out, and has its dues at the box office and with fanboys, they'll likely forget about it.

Sorry, but that's just how it is.

The weird thing is that Peter Finch was also Australian.

 

[Bat-Mite]

But if by some twist of fate this performance is nominated, he will not win. No way. This is not the type of role the Academy goes for, and why should they?

Hannibal Lecter wasn't the kind of role that the Academy goes for, either. Yet Hopkins still won. But to pretend to know how they will react to his performance when the movie isn't even out yet is just idiotic, IMO. Is it unlikely that he'll win an Oscar for this role? Yes. Impossible? No.

 

[Doc Samson]

I think Ledger getting an oscar for TDK is more wishful thinking then a reality.

It probably is, but I just hate the way the Oscars operate anyway. There's no way anybody is going to tell me The Departed was much better than Taxi Driver, Goodfellas or even Casino. But since they snubbed Scorsese for so many years, "it's only right" to just give it to him now? The same thing they did to Denzel Washington, who easily should've won for at least 3 films prior to Training Day, it's just ridiculous. I never understood why a "comic" film automatically alienates someone from at least getting a nomination. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe it's ever happened, and while few and far between, there are some really strong performances that at least could've warranted some form of recogniton from the Academy other than Special Effects....

 

[Boom]

I think Ledger getting an oscar for TDK is more wishful thinking then a reality.

Well it's not a reality. He hasn't gotten one yet .

 

[gogoyogo]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but here is a tribute from Christopher Nolan.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/105580