The Dark Knight Heath Ledger Dead - ALL talk/rememberance and discussion in here

[itsthebatman]

At one point yes i believe he took hard drugs.

What's your evidence for that? And redfire said some, not all. Can't you read? Or reply properly to posts and questions put to you?

 

[redfirebird2008]

What's your evidence for that? And redfire said some, not all. Can't you read? Or reply properly to posts and questions put to you?

The fact that the gossip rags have incorrectly reported that Ledger was such a user that he checked himself into rehab. Yeah, he checked himself in alright: FOR RESEARCH. He played a drug addict in the movie Candy and had no idea what heroin addicts do. He had never even put a needle in his arm so he had no idea what to do for the role, so he visited a rehab center to learn from addicts.

http://www.cinemablend.com/celebrity/Heath-Ledger-Checks-Into-Rehab-1606.html

The gossip rags have been claiming that he checked himself in as a true addict, simply because they didn't check their facts, or they did know the facts and chose to sensationalize the story instead of telling the truth.

 

[Flying Jokeshop]

The thing is Damien, you cannot process all the horrible things that happen in the world, and feel them personally. The human mind doesn't work that way. Sometimes the smallest things can get under your skin, like the premature death of a performer who had the rare gift of provoking emotions in people. It is not better or worse than any other death, but his job was to reach people through performances, and I guess he must have done this very well considering the reaction it has gotten.

I feel the same way as DD Lewis, I didn't know Ledger, but I am upset at the loss of someone who was on the verge of greatness. This is because I am passionate about cinema and acting and I thought Ledger had something rare and special.

Sadly, your agenda is not a positive one, or you would have gently made your point and then let it go. But you insist on hijacking this thread to try and smear Ledger and his fans. I think anyone who remembers you from before you were banned from BOF will know just how single-minded you are in your spite towards Ledger, and view any points you pretend to make accordingly.

Frankly I am surprised you haven't been warned off your obvious attempts to provoke people and some of your more nasty-minded comments.

 

[mrbrownie]

So you say but did it reach you in a way as to tattoo yourself create memorandums, cry, and all the rest heaths death did for you? i dont think so its your emotions i cant influence them but doesnt that say something about us and our celebrity influeced culture?

1. You're assuming everyone who grieves for Ledger, didn't cared for Katrina nor Iraq.
2. You're accusing not only the people in this forum but the whole USA about being airheads and media sheeps.
3. You're also comparing this, to getting a tattoo. Every single US Citizen should get a tattoo of "Katrina" and another for "Iraq", before getting one of another tragedy just to be sane and caring people.

AND...

For those of you who don't understand why were people grieving Heath Ledger, some more than when people related to them past way, let me tell you a little story:

Let's put an example, little Jimmy was adopted, he grew on a very happy and loving family. He's favorite person was Uncle Tom, the town's handyman, he wasn't related to Jimmy nor his family, but he was a very good friend to them.

Now, at the age of 18, Jimmy is told about his adoption. He isn't upset, he actually feels so loved by his family, because even if he isn't blood related, they've loved him like one. He decides to meet his blood parents.

He finds out that his mother, an old artist, who paints really beautiful is alive in another town, and that his biological father had died long time ago. He isn't sad nor wants to grieves. After a month, his biological mother dies, he just got to meet her once, didn't talk much. He isn't sad nor wants to grieves.

Later in his life, Uncle Tom, the family's friend and a dear person for Jimmy (now James), passes away. James, is devastated by this loss, he was always nice to him. James, now with his family moves on, and lives happily with his newly wedded wife.

So kids, what have we learned? (Besides that I'm no writer)

 

[Damiean Dark]

The thing is Damien, you cannot process all the horrible things that happen in the world, and feel them personally. The human mind doesn't work that way. Sometimes the smallest things can get under your skin, like the premature death of a performer who had the rare gift of provoking emotions in people. It is not better or worse than any other death, but his job was to reach people through performances, and I guess he must have done this very well considering the reaction it has gotten.

I feel the same way as DD Lewis, I didn't know Ledger, but I am upset at the loss of someone who was on the verge of greatness. This is because I am passionate about cinema and acting and I thought Ledger had something rare and special.

Sadly, your agenda is not a positive one, or you would have gently made your point and then let it go. But you insist on hijacking this thread to try and smear Ledger and his fans. I think anyone who remembers you from before you were banned from BOF will know just how single-minded you are in your spite towards Ledger, and view any points you pretend to make accordingly.

Frankly I am surprised you haven't been warned off your obvious attempts to provoke people and some of your more nasty-minded comments.

Provoke? no just slightly angry over something i dont understandnd this is just my view folks its not an abuse of your opinions i am single minded i suppose and if my comments have hurt i apologise.

And on BOF Jett is a ******* WB stooge who i have no respect for logical valid arguments on i make as why i think BB was good but a wasted oppertunity to what it could have been was met by abuse and derision not once during my posting did i directly abuse anyone while daily recieving abuse from people there and i still was banned? if Jett is reading "Ya'll" can...


i think you get the picture.

 

[Flying Jokeshop]

If that is true Damien, then why does he make mods out of people who have been critical of Begins? You don't draw ire for your opinions, but your incredible disrespect towards other people. Like here, you rarely openly attack, you prefer the nasty underhanded approach.

 

[TheBat812]

Provoke? no just slightly angry over something i dont understandnd this is just my view folks its not an abuse of your opinions i am single minded i suppose and if my comments have hurt i apologise.

And on BOF Jett is a ******* WB stooge who i have no respect for logical valid arguments on i make as why i think BB was good but a wasted oppertunity to what it could have been was met by abuse and derision not once during my posting did i directly abuse anyone while daily recieving abuse from people there and i still was banned? if Jett is reading "Ya'll" can...


i think you get the picture.

i would have banned you too. You're the most consistently annoying poster I've ever seen, with rarely any input of any value. Stop *****ing about people mourning the loss of a young talented actor who also happened to be an unselfish, and genuinely nice person. Ledger deserves every bit of respect and grief he's getting.

Go cry about the Joker makeup or something.

 

[blackzoid2]

Provoke? no just slightly angry over something i dont understandnd this is just my view folks its not an abuse of your opinions i am single minded i suppose and if my comments have hurt i apologise.

If you are angry, why visit the thread? Not trying to strawman you, but do you get angry about a lot of things you don't understand?
I'm just trying to understand your reasoning. Its not as if this is a thread in a "General" section of some random messageboard. In that case I could understand someone not liking the outpouring of emotion over a death. I might even try and do as you did and post counter-points if I didn't think the emotion was appropiate to the person. The death of princess Diana comes to mind as an example.

But to go to the Batman section of a superhero messageboard and specifically post counterpoints to a deceased actors level of acting? And then to afterwards act shocked and try to "prove" your point?
Damiean thats not exactly the best use of your time. Its always going to be an uphill battle for you. So why bother? What do you gain?
Its like me arguing with the royal supporters that Diana was not worth all the emotion. A waste of my and everyone's time.

 

[Matrixo]

MY local news in New Jersey just said something that celebrities have been take for a ride and a cruel joke of some heath ledger stuff? Anyone else see this?


Think my news needs to check there sources..

 

[DaddyGrayson]

Why is Damiean still allowed to post in this thread? I thought Kel told him to cool it. It's getting out of hand again..

 

[redfirebird2008]

MY local news in New Jersey just said something that celebrities have been take for a ride and a cruel joke of some heath ledger stuff? Anyone else see this?


Think my news needs to check there sources..

No, there have been reports that a con man pretended to be Ledger's dad over the phone in order to mess with celebrities including Bale and Travolta.

 

[Matrixo]

Wow thats just wrong.

 

[darknight7]

Don't know if this has been posted...

http://movies.sympatico.msn.ca/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=452179

Fate of Ledger's last films uncertain
Gilliam, WB mull fate of 'Knight,' 'Parnassus'
Ledger as the Joker in Dark Knight
One day after Heath Ledger's death, Hollywood was still figuring out how to proceed on the two projects most immediately affected.

Production on Terry Gilliam's indie "The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus" has temporarily shut down, while Warner execs are still determining how to adjust their marketing campaign on "The Dark Knight," which is keyed to Ledger's Joker character in its early stages.

"Parnassus" has three options: Replace Ledger in the role, shoot around him or shut down the production entirely. The insurance company will likely determine which option the producers take.

Samuel Hadida, Bill Vince and Amy Gilliam are producing the $30 million indie, which is largely financed through Hadida's Paris-based Davis Film. Ledger's involvement was a key factor in raising the coin.

Over the years other productions have employed a variety of techniques to work around the death of the actors portraying major characters. For better or worse, advancements in CGI and digital effects made it easier for producers to finish "Gladiator" and an episode of "The Sopranos" after the deaths of Oliver Reed and Nancy Marchand, respectively.

In other instances they have used stunt doubles to finish projects or reworked scenes after the star's death. James Dean's final scene in "Giant," for example, had to be looped after his death in a car crash because he mumbled so much in the shot. When Brandon Lee died during an accident on set during production of "The Crow," director Alex Proyas used a stunt double to complete scenes; Lee's face was added using special effects. That film was days away from completion, however. Similarly, a look-alike for Natalie Wood was used after her drowning death during production of "Brainstorm."

The producers used several techniques to finish "Wagons East" after John Candy died of heart failure, rewriting scenes or using a body double.

Further back, Louis B. Mayer threatened to scrap "Saratoga," when Jean Harlow died suddenly, but relented after fans demanded he release it; a body double finished the remaining scenes with her back to the camera.

River Phoenix was supposed to co-star in "Interview With the Vampire," but when he died, they recast Christian Slater in the role. He was working on another film called "Dark Blood" which was scuttled entirely.

And Chris Farley was working on "Shrek" for DreamWorks when he died; Mike Myers took over the lead voice role after his "Saturday Night Live" cohort overdosed in 1997.

Warners has a different predicament with "The Dark Knight." Production on Christopher Nolan's "Batman Begins" sequel is believed to largely completed -- principal photography concluded in the fall -- but the initial marketing campaign focuses on the ghoulish Joker character.

To complicate matters further, the studio has just restructured its marketing operation. International marketing topper Sue Kroll now oversees all marketing for the studio in the wake of the exit of former domestic marketing president Dawn Taubin, who developed the "Dark Knight" campaign.

Kroll will likely have to move quickly to rejigger the studio's current phase of the marketing campaign for "Dark Knight," focusing on Ledger's Joker character. This phase of the campaign had been set to run until March.

Ledger's death is just the latest production snafu to afflict Gilliam. He started shooting "Parnassus" in early December and was due to wrap in March. Production segued from London to Vancouver this week.

Ledger was the biggest name in an ensemble cast including Christopher Plummer, Lily Cole and Tom Waits. Story concerns an ancient traveling show that arrives in modern London with a magic mirror that can transport its audience into fantastical realms of the imagination. Plummer plays the impresario Dr. Parnassus, and Ledger took the role of a mysterious outsider who joins the troupe on a quest through parallel worlds to save the doctor's daughter (Cole) from the clutches of the devil (Waits).

Gilliam previously weathered a problem that plagued shoot of "The Man Who Killed Don Quixote," dealing with flash floods and the injury of star Jean Rochefort before ultimately scrapping the production.

Ledger's death also came as he was working on what would have been his feature directing debut, an adaptation of the Walter Tevis novel "The Queen's Gambit," with British writer-producer Allan Scott.

The leading role of a young female chess prodigy had been offered to Oscar nominee Ellen Page. Ledger, a skilled chess player, was due to play a supporting role.

In an interview last month, a few days after shooting started on "Parnassus," Gilliam said, "Heath is extraordinary. He's just so good, and he's going to be a film director. He's watching everything, and he's going to be a much better director than I will ever be."

(Adam Dawtrey, Tatiana Siegel and Pamela McClintock contributed to this report.)

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Copyright 2007 Variety, Inc. All rights reserved

--dk7

 

[darknight7]

Woah! WUH? do explain, if you have any more info

--dk7

MY local news in New Jersey just said something that celebrities have been take for a ride and a cruel joke of some heath ledger stuff? Anyone else see this?


Think my news needs to check there sources..

 

[DiMiT]

Woah! WUH? do explain, if you have any more info

--dk7

I think it is about the asshat posing as his (Heath's) father , calling celebs, trying to get personal info

 

[Bright Knight]

Wow thats just wrong.

Why so serious!?

I'm sure Heath would have seen the funny side of his friends getting pranks played on them. It IS a little funny. I mean, the guy must have had the cajones of a blue whale!

 

[Dark Sentinel]

Why is Damiean still allowed to post in this thread? I thought Kel told him to cool it. It's getting out of hand again..

you know, I agree with you..Damiean you constantly shoot down other posters opinions, and try to save face by saying "this is just my opinion folks" and things like this. dude, all i'm saying is--and i know its a cliche--if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say anything. i get that youre trying to get your point across, but dude, try to do it in a way that doesnt cut down the other posters on here, especially the newbies..

 

[Bright Knight]

you know, I agree with you..Damiean you constantly shoot down other posters opinions, and try to save face by saying "this is just my opinion folks" and things like this. dude, all i'm saying is--and i know its a cliche--if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say anything. i get that youre trying to get your point across, but dude, try to do it in a way that doesnt cut down the other posters on here, especially the newbies..

Yea.

Boooooo urns to Freedom of speech and opinion.

Burn the constitution!

Pull the party line and don't have a different opinion to anyone else Damiean (sp?) for christsakes. I mean, who do you think you are, what do you think this is, some sort of liberal democracy???

 

[redfirebird2008]

Bright Knight,

Damiean's not a citizen of this country.

 

[Bright Knight]

Bright Knight,

Damiean's not a citizen of this country.

Too right, as I said, it's not like it's a liberal democracy where people have the right to protest, and freedom of speech and choice and expression.

And again, you're right, who the hell do these people think they are coming to the US and thinking that they should be treated equally?! It's not as if it's ENSHRINED in the constitution that all human's are equal or anything.

I totally agree. All foreign people in the US should be rounded up, and put together, concentrated, if you will, in some sort of complex, some sort of camp or something? So we can systematically deprive them of basic human rights.

I like the way you guys are thinking.

 

[DaddyGrayson]

Yea.

Boooooo urns to Freedom of speech and opinion.

Burn the constitution!

Pull the party line and don't have a different opinion to anyone else Damiean (sp?) for christsakes. I mean, who do you think you are, what do you think this is, some sort of liberal democracy???

Having your opinion is one thing. Coming into a thread about a man's death and shooting down anyone who cared about him is something else entirely. It's called trolling.

 

[DaddyGrayson]

Too right, as I said, it's not like it's a liberal democracy where people have the right to protest, and freedom of speech and choice and expression.

And again, you're right, who the hell do these people think they are coming to the US and thinking that they should be treated equally?! It's not as if it's ENSHRINED in the constitution that all human's are equal or anything.

I totally agree. All foreign people in the US should be rounded up, and put together, concentrated, if you will, in some sort of complex, some sort of camp or something? So we can systematically deprive them of basic human rights.

I like the way you guys are thinking.

Seriously, shut the **** up and stop putting words into the man's mouth. He never said that, and now you're just instigating. So stop it.

 

[Bright Knight]

Having your opinion is one thing. Coming into a thread about a man's death and shooting down anyone who cared about him is something else entirely. It's called trolling.

So, say if there was a thread for Pol Pot, or Hitler, or slobodan milosevic, and people were on it all upset and stuff about their deaths, do you think a person would be out of line to shoot down people who cared about them? Cos, you know, they were kind of evil.

Now. Before you all get your lacey knickers in a twist, I'm not saying that heath ledger is a mass murdering psychopath in real life, and i'm not comparing him to the aforementioned...

All I'm saying is that i don't think it's trolling, I think it's expressing a different opinion to the rest of you, no matter how much you may disagree with it.

Unless of course that's what trolling is, disagreeing with the masses? I dunno all this new interweb vernacular.

I mean, if you want SHH! to start a policy whereby anybody who disagrees with the masses is systematically and industrially banned, executed from the boards, if you follow me, then, you know, it's your prerogative. It's something along the lines of ethnic cleansing, but still.. Whatever floats your boat, eh!?

I, however, don't think it's appropriate to mistreat minorities because they believe in something different to you.

 

[Bright Knight]

Seriously, shut the **** up and stop putting words into the man's mouth. He never said that, and now you're just instigating. So stop it.

Um, my mistake.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain to me what bearing, if any, in that case, whether or not Damiean is a US citizen has on anything?

 

[The Battousai]

So, say if there was a thread for Pol Pot, or Hitler, or slobodan milosevic, and people were on it all upset and stuff about their deaths, do you think a person would be out of line to shoot down people who cared about them? Cos, you know, they were kind of evil.

Now. Before you all get your lacey knickers in a twist, I'm not saying that heath ledger is a mass murdering psychopath in real life, and i'm not comparing him to the aforementioned...

All I'm saying is that i don't think it's trolling, I think it's expressing a different opinion to the rest of you, no matter how much you may disagree with it.

Unless of course that's what trolling is, disagreeing with the masses? I dunno all this new interweb vernacular.

I mean, if you want SHH! to start a policy whereby anybody who disagrees with the masses is systematically and industrially banned, executed from the boards, if you follow me, then, you know, it's your prerogative. It's something along the lines of ethnic cleansing, but still.. Whatever floats your boat, eh!?

I, however, don't think it's appropriate to mistreat minorities because they believe in something different to you.

Okay, your comparison between Heath and Hitler is beyond insulting kindly **** and GTFO