The Dark Knight Heath Ledger Dead - ALL talk/rememberance and discussion in here

[Timstuff]

My day pretty much sucks now.

 

[StylishHokie21]

I can't believe it. How could this happen?

 

[lordofthenerds]

Damn, that's terrible. I'm not going to be able to watch TDK without feeling sick. This reminds me of the Crow scenario. RIP Heath.

 

[GregComicFan]

My condolences to Ledger's friends and family...But since this is a Batman movie forum, I don't mean to sound insensitive, but I'd like to discuss the Batman movie trilogy... So without further ado...MY ANALYSIS:They wont recast the Joker. Film crews/casts are like families. They come together for several months and spend all day and night with each other, working together, eating together, living together...Due to that, the cast/crew would probably find it to be a horrible dishonor to Ledger's memory to recast the role and have another actor fill the Joker's shoes in Batman 3......and what actor would seriously want to portray the Joker now?So we have two scenerios. The outcome is determined by how The Dark Knight ends and only the cast/crew/studio knows that right now...Scenerios:1. The Joker is ESSENTIAL to Batman 3: The public doesn't know how The Dark Knight ends. It could be the Joker escapes and ends up being essential to the Batman 3 script. For instance, what if Batman swears revenge on the Joker, and vows to catch him? How can that happen now? Or maybe Two-Face's origin is intricately tied to the Joker's future.... how can that be resolved now? It can't...With this scenerio, the studio is faced with: can they reshoot the ending of TDK and make it so the Joker is no longer essential to Batman 3? or can the Batman 3 script quickly explain the Joker's fate and then move on? or, they recast the Joker, but like I said, I seriously doubt that will occur.2. The Joker is NOT essential to Batman 3: We all know TDK was going to be the Joker's show and Batman 3 was going to be about Two-Face. But we also know that Nolan had plans to not kill off Batman villains (thus why Scarecrow reappears in TDK and the Joker was going to be a part of Batman 3).... but perhaps the Joker's role was not going to be essential. Maybe he was just going to be another thorn in Batman's side, but was not intricately tied to Batman's character arch, the plot, or Two-Face...If this is the case, then with this scenerio, expect the simplest resolution to take effect: The Joker will just not be at all a part of Batman 3. If he escapes at the end of TDK, but is in no way vital to Batman 3, then expect him to escape at the end of TDK and just not be mentioned at all in Batman 3. If this is the case, I would expect Two-Face to be matched up with another villain (Riddler, Catwoman, etc.) to make up for whatever role the Joker was going to serve in Batman 3....If I had to place my money on it, I would assume Nolan had big plans for the Joker.... why bring him back in Batman 3 if the character had no reason to be there? So I am guessing at the end of TDK, the Joker is probably intricately tied to Batman's goals or Two-Face's origin... and if this is the case, then Batman 3 is going to be in a state of limbo for some time.... reshoot ending of TDK? totally change the Batman 3 script?We'll have to wait and see....Greg

 

[doctorkenyon]

I can't explain how upset I feel. This is the closest i've come to crying in 5 years.

I miss him already.

 

[terry78]

Point blank, people are going to respond in different ways. A lot of you on here have never really had to deal with death, or if you have, you just try to brush it off. Nothing wrong with that, as it's a difficult emotion. Some people grieve, others try to make like it doesn't bug them. Whatever works for you at this point.

 

[GregComicFan]

My condolences to Ledger's friends and family...But since this is a Batman movie forum, I don't mean to sound insensitive, but I'd like to discuss the Batman movie trilogy... So without further ado...MY ANALYSIS:They wont recast the Joker. Film crews/casts are like families. They come together for several months and spend all day and night with each other, working together, eating together, living together...Due to that, the cast/crew would probably find it to be a horrible dishonor to Ledger's memory to recast the role and have another actor fill the Joker's shoes in Batman 3......and what actor would seriously want to portray the Joker now?So we have two scenerios. The outcome is determined by how The Dark Knight ends and only the cast/crew/studio knows that right now...Scenerios:1. The Joker is ESSENTIAL to Batman 3: The public doesn't know how The Dark Knight ends. It could be the Joker escapes and ends up being essential to the Batman 3 script. For instance, what if Batman swears revenge on the Joker, and vows to catch him? How can that happen now? Or maybe Two-Face's origin is intricately tied to the Joker's future.... how can that be resolved now? It can't...With this scenerio, the studio is faced with: can they reshoot the ending of TDK and make it so the Joker is no longer essential to Batman 3? or can the Batman 3 script quickly explain the Joker's fate and then move on? or, they recast the Joker, but like I said, I seriously doubt that will occur.2. The Joker is NOT essential to Batman 3: We all know TDK was going to be the Joker's show and Batman 3 was going to be about Two-Face. But we also know that Nolan had plans to not kill off Batman villains (thus why Scarecrow reappears in TDK and the Joker was going to be a part of Batman 3).... but perhaps the Joker's role was not going to be essential. Maybe he was just going to be another thorn in Batman's side, but was not intricately tied to Batman's character arch, the plot, or Two-Face...If this is the case, then with this scenerio, expect the simplest resolution to take effect: The Joker will just not be at all a part of Batman 3. If he escapes at the end of TDK, but is in no way vital to Batman 3, then expect him to escape at the end of TDK and just not be mentioned at all in Batman 3. If this is the case, I would expect Two-Face to be matched up with another villain (Riddler, Catwoman, etc.) to make up for whatever role the Joker was going to serve in Batman 3....If I had to place my money on it, I would assume Nolan had big plans for the Joker.... why bring him back in Batman 3 if the character had no reason to be there? So I am guessing at the end of TDK, the Joker is probably intricately tied to Batman's goals or Two-Face's origin... and if this is the case, then Batman 3 is going to be in a state of limbo for some time.... reshoot ending of TDK? totally change the Batman 3 script?We'll have to wait and see....Greg

 

[vanzetti]

holy **** this hit hard
god rest your soul heath, your role as the joker is going to make many people very happy

 

[qwik3r]

I guess there are alot of people who apparently don't know anything about movies beyond watching them. Do you think after the millions of dollars spent and the time they are NOT going to release batman or even push it back? I doubt it will get pushed back to 2009, infact highly doubt it, it would cost them millions alone to do that. Their marketing campaign is in full effect already. I think people should stop worrying about a fictional fantasy movie and give a damn that we lost a great person instead.

 

[GregComicFan]

My condolences to Ledger's friends and family...

But since this is a Batman movie forum, I don't mean to sound insensitive, but I'd like to discuss the future of the Batman movie trilogy...

So without further ado...

MY ANALYSIS:

They wont recast the Joker. Film crews/casts are like families. They come together for several months and spend all day and night with each other, working together, eating together, living together...

Due to that, the cast/crew would probably find it to be a horrible dishonor to Ledger's memory to recast the role and have another actor fill the Joker's shoes in Batman 3...

...and what actor would seriously want to portray the Joker now?

So we have two scenerios. The outcome is determined by how The Dark Knight ends and only the cast/crew/studio knows that right now...

Scenerios:

1. The Joker is ESSENTIAL to Batman 3: The public doesn't know how The Dark Knight ends. It could be the Joker escapes and ends up being essential to the Batman 3 script. For instance, what if Batman swears revenge on the Joker, and vows to catch him? How can that happen now? Or maybe Two-Face's origin is intricately tied to the Joker's future.... how can that be resolved now? It can't...

With this scenerio, the studio is faced with: can they reshoot the ending of TDK and make it so the Joker is no longer essential to Batman 3? or can the Batman 3 script quickly explain the Joker's fate and then move on? or, they recast the Joker, but like I said, I seriously doubt that will occur.

2. The Joker is NOT essential to Batman 3: We all know TDK was going to be the Joker's show and Batman 3 was going to be about Two-Face. But we also know that Nolan had plans to not kill off Batman villains (thus why Scarecrow reappears in TDK and the Joker was going to be a part of Batman 3).... but perhaps the Joker's role was not going to be essential. Maybe he was just going to be another thorn in Batman's side, but was not intricately tied to Batman's character arch, the plot, or Two-Face...

If this is the case, then with this scenerio, expect the simplest resolution to take effect: The Joker will just not be at all a part of Batman 3. If he escapes at the end of TDK, but is in no way vital to Batman 3, then expect him to escape at the end of TDK and just not be mentioned at all in Batman 3. If this is the case, I would expect Two-Face to be matched up with another villain (Riddler, Catwoman, etc.) to make up for whatever role the Joker was going to serve in Batman 3....


If I had to place my money on it, I would assume Nolan had big plans for the Joker.... why bring him back in Batman 3 if the character had no reason to be there? So I am guessing at the end of TDK, the Joker is probably intricately tied to Batman's goals or Two-Face's origin... and if this is the case, then Batman 3 is going to be in a state of limbo for some time.... reshoot ending of TDK? totally change the Batman 3 script?

We'll have to wait and see....

Greg

 

[$G-mOnEy$]

Anyone and everyone who is saying that Ledger should be re-cast needs to shut up. It's not going to happen.

Nolan hand-picked Ledger for the Joker, and Bale probably had a hand in it too. Nolan isn't coming back, I'm betting my lifesavings on it. Bale will do anything and everything in his power to get out of his contract for the third picture. He won't do it if Nolan doesn't. The majority of the cast won't.

As a result, WB may attempt to do a third picture, but it won't be of the same caliber.

Honestly, consider it over. The Batman franchise for our generation is finished. After TDK, there won't be another Batman film for a long time. We can see it with our kids someday.

So give it a rest. It isn't happening.

Now for more important things...Heath Ledger was an extremely talented actor with huge potential. He would have been one of the greats. It's a ****ing shame to see him go so early in his career. Like James Dean and River Phoenix, he'll be remembered as an icon for decades to come. Best wishes to his daughter, who will grow up without a father.

 

[Watson]

Your incredible wit in this situation continues to amaze us all.

 

[X Knight]

wow.....just.......f***** wow..........

man....this is so sad..........RIP Heath.........

 

[doctorkenyon]

Words can't even explain ow I feel about this. I'll miss you Heath, for TDK, for 10 things I hate about you and every other damn film you've made. I respected you as more than an actor.

 

[jsf]

i still can't believe this, no way. i really don't care what happens to the movie at this point, if it gets pushed back in release, or whatever, this is so terrible.... what a shame, so talented, quite possibly the best actor within the last 10 yrs, the cinema world will definatley not be the same without him.

 

[Morphius DOH]

Has there been any word as to the % of the principle shooting and/or pickup shots has been completed?

Granted there's still many months till it was supposed to hit the big screen, but if there is enough scenes shot, the ending could be re-written and using CGI and footage like "The Crow" to finish off the movie or even finish as the scriptment is now with the scenes on hand. Overall, it'll be hard to say because movies aren't filmed in sequence, until we hear from WB or writers/directors.

 

[Visionary]

Why do you keep posting these happy-go-lucky pictures?

 

[qwik3r]

your crystal ball must be on 'high' today...

I think it is a be presumptuious to say that there will not be a 3rd Batman, who knows how well TDK will do, it may do even better then expected due to this tragedty now, and movie stuidos only care about the all mighty dollar so I wouldn't put it past them to ride this event into a 3rd movie.

Anyone and everyone who is saying that Ledger should be re-cast needs to shut up. It's not going to happen.

Nolan hand-picked Ledger for the Joker, and Bale probably had a hand in it too. Nolan isn't coming back, I'm betting my lifesavings on it. Bale will do anything and everything in his power to get out of his contract for the third picture. He won't do it if Nolan doesn't. The majority of the cast won't.

As a result, WB may attempt to do a third picture, but it won't be of the same caliber.

Honestly, consider it over. The Batman franchise for our generation is finished. After TDK, there won't be another Batman film for a long time. We can see it with our kids someday.

So give it a rest. It isn't happening.

Now for more important things...Heath Ledger was an extremely talented actor with huge potential. He would have been one of the greats. It's a ****ing shame to see him go so early in his career. Like James Dean and River Phoenix, he'll be remembered as an icon for decades to come. Best wishes to his daughter, who will grow up without a father.

 

[vanzetti]

they wont recast the joker, they will honor the man

 

[rogue trooper]

This is something that just came like out of nowhere!! So sad.

Rest In Peace, Heath.

 

[coleyhinson]

this has me really depressed...I honestly dont know if I can see TDk now, i mean it. I just got back from the mall...I just kinda wandered around...I feel sick

 

[Ecstasy]

The only way I see a 3rd film is having Two-Face as the main villain. And as of now, I doubt a 3rd film is going to happen. I'm not upset about that, actually, moreso I'm upset by Ledger's death.

Wow, this really came hard.

 

[Citadel30]

God- i feel so sick. Heath was such a great actor and he loved his daughter so much- it doesnt make sense.

Now i am going to throw this out there and please do not consider me sick for thinking this- but what if this is a publicity stunt? A small part of me doesnt want to believe he is dead I guess. Deep down I hope in a couple days that Ledger emerges as the Joker in an SUper Bowl commercial or something live - I dont know- I just cant believe he is dead.

I just cant believe it. I cant.

 

[Bright Knight]

Well, this role will DEFINITELY get nominated for something, at least out of honor for him. I don't doubt that. I still can't let this bias my opinion of his Joker once I see it though.

It doesn't work that way. You don't get nominated for overdosing. If that were the case many many many more actors would be getting noms.

Anyone and everyone who is saying that Ledger should be re-cast needs to shut up. It's not going to happen.

Nolan hand-picked Ledger for the Joker, and Bale probably had a hand in it too. Nolan isn't coming back, I'm betting my lifesavings on it. Bale will do anything and everything in his power to get out of his contract for the third picture. He won't do it if Nolan doesn't. The majority of the cast won't.


So give it a rest. It isn't happening.

What the Hell are you basing that on???

This is very sad, but a little perspecive people. When Richard harris died, the Harry Potter Franchise didn't die.

When Oliver Reed died, Gladiator didn't have to stop a marketing campaign. People die, but this is the entertainment industry, the show must go on.

Don't forget that Heath was completely unrecognisable in the role as joker, and a recast isn't a totally insane idea. But joker does his work insofar as setting up two face in this film. So prob for THIS trilogy, the joker is done.

But i think it's ridiculous that the death of an actor (AFTER PRINCIPLE SHOOTING) could cause a franchise to crash.

Christ if anything this will make EVEN MORE people go and see the iconic final role of ledger, and it will draw MASSIVE worldwide media attention to the dark knight.

It's very sad, but it's times like this that a little rationality wouldn't go astray. Stiff upper lip and whatnot. The man left behind a two yea old daughter.

On a side note I'd like to say that if someone was to make an anti heath joke at the present time, they should be entitled to. They would be the biggest most insensitive dick on the face of the planet for doing it, but it would reflect more on them than anything else. I don't think a person should get banned for being an insensitive arse.Freedom of speech and whatnot.

 

[Agent of Chaos]

http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1387531726

that explains A LOT