Henry Cavil Will Not Return As Superman - Will You Miss Him In The Role?

[flickchick85]

I agree, and it's payed off imo more times than not whether we're talking about film or television.

Yeah it’s really not that hard a role to cast when you understand the character and know what qualities to look for. The problem with Cavill was that the guy doing the casting that time did neither.

Not convinced Gunn does either, but hoping for the best. I think the key is to cast for Clark Kent, not Superman. A great Clark will naturally have a good Superman in him, but a great Superman might not necessarily have a good Clark in him, imo.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yeah it’s really not that hard a role to cast when you understand the character and know what qualities to look for. The problem with Cavill was that the guy doing the casting that time did neither.

Not convinced Gunn does either, but hoping for the best. I think the key is to cast for Clark Kent, not Superman. A great Clark will naturally have a good Superman in him, but a great Superman might not necessarily have a good Clark in him, imo.

Spot on.

Cast the best person to play a Kansas farm boy, come to the city to find his place in the world: success.

Cast the best person to play an indestructible alien god: failure.

If Gunn doesn’t understand that it’s Clark first, Kal-El second, then it’s as doomed as Snyder’s horrible interpretation.

The exact opposite of Batman first, Bruce Wayne second. Again, Snyder’s interpretation was horrible, partially because he got that the wrong way around too,

 

[Iceman]

Yeah it’s really not that hard a role to cast when you understand the character and know what qualities to look for. The problem with Cavill was that the guy doing the casting that time did neither.

Not convinced Gunn does either, but hoping for the best. I think the key is to cast for Clark Kent, not Superman. A great Clark will naturally have a good Superman in him, but a great Superman might not necessarily have a good Clark in him, imo.

Definitely agree with the bolded.

Are you open to a Gunn Superman then if it somehow meets what you want? Thought he was too much of an opposite for you to think it even possible.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

It probably depends on what their take on Clark Kent is going to be. Is it going to be the Christopher Reeve "nerdy disguise" or more of the John Bryne Man Of Steel miniseries "Clark is the real person and Superman is just what he can do and costume is the disguise" that inspired Lois & Clark and other incarnations after the post-Crisis?

I think Clark Kent, Lois Lane and the Daily Planet stuff is going to be more important than ever, because news and journalism is more important than ever in the world we live in. As we've seen with Twitter and Elon Musk, billionaires will buy a social media website just so they can change/control the political narrative.

 

[flickchick85]

Definitely agree with the bolded.

Are you open to a Gunn Superman then if it somehow meets what you want? Thought he was too much of an opposite for you to think it even possible.

I don’t think it’s likely, no. But I’m always open to being surprised. And if he at least casts a good Clark, then I have hope someone else could make a Supes movie for me to love with that actor in the future lol.

 

[Iceman]

I don’t think it’s likely, no. But I’m always open to being surprised. And if he at least casts a good Clark, then I have hope someone else could make a Supes movie for me to love with that actor in the future lol.

Oh, good to hear. I’m in the same boat on all that, except with being less anti-Gunn to begin with. I can’t imagine an ideal Superman script from him but as the eternal optimist I will believe it might somehow be possible.

 

[Iceman]

It probably depends on what their take on Clark Kent is going to be. Is it going to be the Christopher Reeve "nerdy disguise" or more of the John Bryne Man Of Steel miniseries "Clark is the real person and Superman is just what he can do and costume is the disguise" that inspired Lois & Clark and other incarnations after the post-Crisis?

I think Clark Kent, Lois Lane and the Daily Planet stuff is going to be more important than ever, because news and journalism is more important than ever in the world we live in. As we've seen with Twitter and Elon Musk, billionaires will buy a social media website just so they can change/control the political narrative.

I agree that that is going to be crucially important, and also want to see a lot more of it after it’s been neglected in recent projects.

 

[flickchick85]

Oh, good to hear. I’m in the same boat on all that, except with being less anti-Gunn to begin with. I can’t imagine an ideal Superman script from him but as the eternal optimist I will believe it might somehow be possible.

Also, as long as he’s not yet announced himself as director, I still have a sliver of hope that he might hire someone who could turn his initial script into something I could love. That one’s a long shot, but ya never know til ya do.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think Gunn would be a much better director (and writer) for Superman than some give him credit for. I know people are hung up on his crude humor, but areas I think he would do a good job with are the cosmic world building that is part of the Superman mythos, and the Daily Planet stuff. Republicans went after him for speaking out against Trump, so I can see him being passionate about the story of evil billionaire Lex Luthor being taken on by Clark and Lois on the journalism side of things.

 

[Iceman]

Also, as long as he’s not yet announced himself as director, I still have a sliver of hope that he might hire someone who could turn his initial script into something I could love. That one’s a long shot, but ya never know til ya do.

Even if not the likeliest outcome, I think there’s a material chance of that given time and as the huge extra complications of his larger job start to properly dawn on him. I would go so far as to say it would be almost impossible to handle both being the director of an absolutely crucial keystone project to the whole planned future all while continuously planning out and executing said future without Safran there to do the bulk of that side of it.

 

[flickchick85]

Even if not the likeliest outcome, I think there’s a material chance of that given time and as the huge extra complications of his larger job start to properly dawn on him. I would go so far as to say it would be almost impossible to handle both being the director of an absolutely crucial keystone project to the whole planned future all while continuously planning out and executing said future without Safran there to do the bulk of that side of it.

Yes, my greatest hope pretty much boils down to “maybe he won’t have time.”

 

[Iceman]

I think Gunn would be a much better director (and writer) for Superman than some give him credit for. I know people are hung up on his crude humor, but areas I think he would do a good job with are the cosmic world building that is part of the Superman mythos, and the Daily Planet stuff. Republicans went after him for speaking out against Trump, so I can see him being passionate about the story of evil billionaire Lex Luthor being taken on by Clark and Lois on the journalism side of things.

The other quality I like in Gunn is his ability to bring heart to the unlikeliest of projects. If he does have any plans to play the journalism side of it that way (and he does have that rebellious and confronting issues side to him), it could be very interesting.

 

[Iceman]

Yes, my greatest hope pretty much boils down to “maybe he won’t have time.”

 

[vantheman77]

Henry Cavill was the Superman of the 2010's with Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, Justice League both versions, and Black Adam. We want to thank him for his time in the role.

2013-2022.

 

[GreenKToo]

I don’t know if cavill could have pulled off a bright and hopeful Superman, maybe, maybe not. We'll never know..

He, like BR, lost the role due to the directors mishandling of the character.

Let's face it, if snyder had made blockbusters that made a billion ( there is no excuse for BvS not to have made at least a billion )
in the DCEU, we woulda had mos 2 and JL 2 by now.
Blame snyder, not Gunn.

 

[Rijowhi]

I don’t know if cavill could have pulled off a bright and hopeful Superman, maybe, maybe not. We'll never know..

He, like BR, lost the role due to the directors mishandling of the character.

Let's face it, if snyder had made blockbusters that made a billion ( there is no excuse for BvS not to have made at least a billion )
in the DCEU, we woulda had mos 2 and JL 2 by now.
Blame snyder, not Gunn.

From what I’m hearing the execs of Warner Bros have a major part to play in the failure too. I love Synder’s visuals though I have to say.

 

[Mani-Man]

There is no doubt about that yeah.
We can of course blame Snyders direction and all, but it cant be denied that WB played a huge part in the mess too.
Like they wanted Snyder at first, then when they got Snyder they suddenly realized that this isnt what they wanted and tried to change things while still wanting to keep Snyder around...that is no smart decision making.

 

[Babillygunn]

From what I’m hearing the execs of Warner Bros have a major part to play in the failure too. I love Synder’s visuals though I have to say.

I don’t think that the execs wanted Superman to snap necks, mope around, get sage advice from his dad like “being a hero is pointless. Just look out for yourself”, or get infected with the anti-life equation and kill half of the heroes in DC. That blame falls on one guy.

 

[metaphysician]

I don’t think that the execs wanted Superman to snap necks, mope around, get sage advice from his dad like “being a hero is pointless. Just look out for yourself”, or get infected with the anti-life equation and kill half of the heroes in DC. That blame falls on one guy.

Eh, while primary blame does totally land on Snyder, I'd say the execs deserve part of the "credit", too. A significant chunk of their job is "oversight over the creatives to make sure they don't go off the rails". Either they were derelict in this duty or they actively approved of Snyder's style, either way, they are at fault.

( I lean to "approved of his style", personally, there's been more than a little evidence that WB management favors grim gritty "realism". )

 

[titansupes]

Post-TDK, when an SR sequel was still sort of on the cards, one of the WB execs said they were going "as dark as the character would allow" and that they envisioned him as an "angry god".

So yeah. Plenty of blame to be shared around the WB lot.

 

[GreenKToo]

From what I’m hearing the execs of Warner Bros have a major part to play in the failure too. I love Synder’s visuals though I have to say.

Yup. There is Plenty of blame to go around.

 

[Babillygunn]

Post-TDK, when an SR sequel was still sort of on the cards, one of the WB execs said they were going "as dark as the character would allow" and that they envisioned him as an "angry god".

So yeah. Plenty of blame to be shared around the WB lot.

I had never heard this. But I hate it in every fiber of my being.

 

[MbJ]

I will miss him. I always thought he got a raw deal and that the divisive reception to his movies wasn't his fault.

That said: I made my peace with the likelihood he wasn't coming back years ago. The infamous Shazam incident solidified it for me, and while it was nice having that brief reprieve with Black Adam, the confirmation the next Superman movie will indeed be a reboot with a new actor was basically what I figured was going to happen.

 

[Frodo]

The key next time around, is to not only find an actor with charm , likability, acting chops, and Physical stature, but to also have an excellent story and script for the actor , director etc, to work with.

Where Superman has struggled on film since 1983, has been the story department, among many others things.

Gunn's got to produce ,not just something okay, or something that will make fandom happy.

It's got to do what no filmmaker has been able to do in nearly 40s years, which is truly to win over the GA , the fans , and the critics.

It has to be great . A , " it's a fine" or " it's okay" aren't gonna be good enough results, especially if the film is going to be a launchpad to a larger universe.

That's no easy task , and at this point we've had several people who think they've "cracked the code" with Superman, only to fall short.

Filmmakers, like it or not, have struggled much more with Superman over the past couple decades than Batman, Spiderman, X Men, etc .

So getting the actor right is only one part of the equation, they've got to produce a story that's really going to grab audiences and win them over.

 

[GreenKToo]

The key next time around, is to not only find an actor with charm , likability, acting chops, and Physical stature, but to also have an excellent story and script for the actor , director etc, to work with.

Where Superman has struggled on film since 1983, has been the story department, among many others things.

Gunn's got to produce ,not just something okay, or something that will make fandom happy.

It's got to do what no filmmaker has been able to do in nearly 40s years, which is truly to win over the GA , the fans , and the critics.

It has to be great . A , " it's a fine" or " it's okay" aren't gonna be good enough results, especially if the film is going to be a launchpad to a larger universe.

That's no easy task , and at this point we've had several people who think they've "cracked the code" with Superman, only to fall short.

Filmmakers, like it or not, have struggled much more with Superman over the past couple decades than Batman, Spiderman, X Men, etc .

So getting the actor right is only one part of the equation, they've got to produce a story that's really going to grab audiences and win them over.

I think the mistake with most directors we've had so far is they want to put "THEIR" spin on superman, instead of looking over his entire history and what's made him so successful to start with.

We don't need a new wheel when this one rolls just fine.
They would know that if they would give it a roll.

The "aww shucks" and "Golly Lois" Clark is what we want.
Not dark, not gritty, and not mopey.