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Hensleighs Script vs Current Script

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I'm assuming Hensleighs script is the one Tom wanted to shoot because he wouldn't be bad mouthing his buddies script. I've had a brief back and forth with Jonathan before and he seems like a really cool down to Earth guy and obviously loyal to Jane, and Jane (whether we agree with his ideas or not) always had the best intentions. In any event I think it's better off for the franchise that they changed everything...or let's hope. Here's a comparision from someone who has read both scripts:

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20071205_reader_review_punisher_scripts.html
The Punisher : WarZone - Comparative Piece
A couple of weeks ago, I did a positive review for the Punisher sequel/reboot script which is currently shooting and starring the very cool Ray Stevenson.
Many fans of the old Pun have been quite vocal about their dislike for the fact that 2004 lead Tom Jane is not back as Castle. There are various reports that he quit/left the project because Lionsgate wouldn’t let him explore the character the way he wanted to. Others say it was a monetary issue.
Whatever reason, he ain’t playing the Punisher, and this script that was initially going to shot in 2005 by original helmer Jonathan Henleigh, will never get made…and thank God for small miracles.
I decided to review this script as a comparative piece. Everyone has been saying the Hensleigh version couldn’t have been that bad. Guess again.
This draft runs a scant 91 pages and it feels like he could not be bothered writing a screenplay to a movie that was not successful to begin with.
We open on Frank in the desert, hunting down two criminal scumbag brothers who have just robbed an armored car. Hensleigh, still preoccupied with turning Frank into Leone’s Man Without a Name, has a High Noon-style showdown on the third page. Yawn!!!
We then cut to New York, where some mobsters are having a little get-together. Frank drives his Punisher mobile through the front doors and guns them down with a chain-fed mini-gun. Everyone in the room is turned into chopped liver, except Billy Russo – a pretty boy gangster who’s more interested in his looks than anything else.
The opening act of the script ends with Frank driving his car into the Hudson after being chased by some pesky cops. The lead Detective in question is Stevie West, a female cop – and potential love interest for Frank.
She spends the better part of this mess sitting in her office or talking to her law professor father – who’s got “victim” written so big on his forehead that pilots would be able to see it from Turkey.
Now, since Frank has wasted all the mobsters, Billy Russo becomes head goombah and decides it’s time to clear out the competition. Posing as an anonymous citizen, he calls Frank and tips him off about various shady dealings. Faster than you can say “lightning”, Frank has dispatched the villains in question – and has successfully got rid of Billy’s rivals.
Sensing he’s been used when he is ambushed (duh!!!), Frank corners Billy in a suit store, and smashes his face on a mirror. A standard mirror. Somehow this mystical mirror slices off half of Billy’s face and one of his ears?????!!!!!! WTF?????!!!!!!!!!
Faster than The Flash, Hensleigh decides he’s out of ideas and does a Batman rip off. Billy wakes up in a hospital and asks for the mirror. Everyone’s scared to give it to him. He screams for the mirror again. The doctor takes a nervous gulp and gives him said mirror. To his shock, Billy discovers his face is now a tangled mess of twisted flesh and bone.
This scene felt like a badly Xeroxed copy of the classic Nicholson scene from Tim Burton’s ‘89 masterpiece – albeit, sans the great character, actor and director.
Now out of hospital, and down one plastic surgeon, Russo begins an all out assault on New York. His first port of call is getting some evidence from the police lock up that implicates him in a murder. He can’t very well rule NYC if he’s behind bars.
Russo kidnaps Stevie’s dad (told you so) and makes her get this gun back. Before it’s all played out, Frank ambushes them and the gang have a massive shoot out in a Walmart. Double WTF???????!!!!!!!!!!!
To say I hated this script would be harsh. I disliked it greatly.
The main problems are the fact that Castle feels like a background character. He pops up here and there but he does nothing. There’s no great action set pieces, there’s no dark humor, although Hensleigh tries by having a standee of Wolverine and Spiderman take a bullet in the climatic shootout.
Laughing yet? Didn’t think so.
Also, there’s a rather ludicrous tacked on sub plot about a Priest who is butchering people who he thinks are sinners. I guess this was done to show Frank is not some psycho, but it’s never explained or fleshed out like everything else in this disaster.
Also, Hensleigh seems to have trouble with vigilantes and what they do. Like in the first film where Frank says it Punishment, not vengeance. His actions are once again questioned and put under a microscope by Stevie’s dad. These scenes are boring and pointless. In the comics Frank did what he did because he was pushed too far. That worked plain and simple. Trying to give him further motivation is a worse idea than having Druids be in control of Michael Myers.
Another big problem is the fact that Russo is never called Jigsaw, and he doesn’t become deformed until bag 60. The script never has fun with his face or his character. At least in the reboot I reviewed a few weeks ago, Jigsaw is called Jigsaw – and we get a reason why. In this steamer, there’s never an explanation.
The shoot out in the Walmart also gets ridiculous.
People start getting chopped up with forklifts and knives. It sounds interesting, but it’s not.
There’s also a little bit during the end credits where Frank takes on the murderous Priest. How does it end???
With Frank’s now groan-inducing one liner: “God’s gonna sit this out.”
Thanksfully Lionsgate decided to sit this one out. If they’d produced this script instead of the one they went with, Punisher fans would have been bitterly disappointed.
I know I was.
 
There was barely any comparison, so now all I have to go on is this review and the one over at CHUD that really sounds awful too about the current script.
 
Yeah this isn't a comparative. The reviewer never mentions anything from the new script.
 
He already reviewed the news script in a prior post on moviehole so I guess he was assuming we all read that.
 
Well he gave us a good review of the current script, now he's giving us a bad review on the original. Read both his reviews and then there's your comparison.
 
He already reviewed the news script in a prior post on moviehole so I guess he was assuming we all read that.

I don't go to moviehole, so I never read the review. At least I don't think I have.
I want to read the script and form my own opinion.
 
Well the thread is in these forums here about the moviehole script review so you wouldn't have to go there to find it. It's right here. However I'm completely avoiding any details of any script review unless it's not being used.

In fact you read the script review and commented on it in this thread. LOL

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=289262
 
I think it would be easier to just read the script myself and then judge from that, but even reading it can be different than seeing it on the big screen.
 
Then ask for the damn script. LOL

I just realized Punisher 04 has the same thread going. It wasn't there when I started to post this thread. Hell I can't leave the computer for 5 minutes without Punisher 04 stealing a bone off my plate. He he. ;)
 
meh. I don't want to owe anyone.
 
How do you know the person that has it would ask for something in return. Sometimes people are just nice. Oh well.
 
I'm assuming Hensleighs script is the one Tom wanted to shoot because he wouldn't be bad mouthing his buddies script.

Jane did't even know Hensleigh was involved at one point... So that falls flat. :o

The first script wasen't great. It was okay at best... Like almost every script in need of a re-write. So that's what happend.
 
Jane did't even know Hensleigh was involved at one point... So that falls flat. :o

The first script wasen't great. It was okay at best... Like almost every script in need of a re-write. So that's what happend.

From what I heard Tom & Hensleigh were always together for the 2nd film...if it were to be done they wouldn't do it without the other one.
 
How do you know the person that has it would ask for something in return. Sometimes people are just nice. Oh well.

I take it you have the script? I've read hensleighs and it had a couple decent scenes, but it definitely needed more Punisher than what was in it.
 
Do non-movie site people actually have the current script?
 
I take it you have the script? I've read hensleighs and it had a couple decent scenes, but it definitely needed more Punisher than what was in it.

I can get it in a second but I don't want it. If you want it I'll ask the person to send it to me and I'll forward it to you. If I can't reach that person there's one other person I know who might have it. I have scripts of other films some of which I can share and some I've been asked not too.
 
Well, at least Hensleigh got the Ceasare massacre right, not this apparent
crawling on a table stabbing someone with a lobster ****.
 
I just don't understand how in the heck they plan to pull that off?
 
lol i cant believe we are talking bout this, i bet its coz we are bored waiting to hear or see something about warzone, seen as we are on this subject, hensleighs script i thought was too fantastical, i mean for example the scene where frank castiglione whips a chain saw from jigsaw, slicing jigsaws arm off, then he take him out with a fork lift, its crazy like broken arrow where john travolta gets hit with a nuke lol plus someone said that the script ripped off batman 89, u know batman 89 ripped off the classic movie Metropolis, its just post modernism, nothings ever new, just redone in a new era etc.
 
I wish to read either/both scripts. Who has them?
 
Is The Punisher REALLY that hard of a character to pull off that he's now on his second revamp?!?
 
Wow, this guy probably failed in English when it came to doing a comparative essay.

That did sound awful, what, does the Punisher have a hotline where he can be reached or something?!? How does Billy just call him, and since when is the Punisher such a tool to rush into a suspicious lead like that?

A shootout in a Walmart where Spidey and Wolvie cutouts get shot?

And the Priest angle? Surprised they didn't have Payback and that Elite guy to make that plot complete.
 

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