Moviehole Reads Warzone Script....and they like it!

[claydogg]

well I think that the punisher could have "CENTRAL PARK."

unless there going to make this movie over 2 hours and least say 15 minutes.

flashbacks are the way to go. I mean you might want alot of them to show why the punisher is who he is. but the last movie took so long to draw this out. and he took the whole movie to become the punisher.
that's why the last 20 mins. where good. but it took way to long.

Let's see what Ray can do hear. with his acting.
becuase "Lethal Weapon" show "riggs" for example a that lost his wife and there's no flashbacks at all. but the audience feels for this guy.
and guys love it when "riggs' kills the bad guys becuase of this.

Then have some extra in the movie that's talking to micro saying
"do you know this guy has bronze cross,a ton of purple hearts,and a *****ing SILVER CROSS!"
"this guy was the most highest train guy in the Special forces & Delta force!" " but the government had to hide his idenity for national security." " so the terrorist wouldn't kill his family (when they were alive."

or something like that so the audience knows he's a real Tuff guy.

we got a new actor so if we do the central park flashback I think it would be fine.

 

[toneloak]

The Guard I understnd your point but having a movie grasing on those concepts is pointless it's not even The Punisher it's a rip-off of a bunch of old movie. Those are the core concept that has defined the punisher over the past 20-30 years. They are not as easy say as the amazing Stan's "with great power, comes great responsiblity", but are equally as important. I set in that theature opening weekend to watch the 04 verson. And, realized 5min in the 89 version was 10x better. The Punisher is not about his family. His family is an underlined theme in a social story. Not a monologue at the end of a revenge movie to set up for a sequal.

You know what would have saved the 04 movie from the trash heep. If Punisher had saved at least one unrelated person. Maybe a kid from his moms pedofile boyfriend or father, something how much would that have cost? That movie was tanted from the door shooting in Florida and TJ looking like a everyday ladies man as apposed to a war torn soldier looking for sanity in his family. Dolph Had that in spades.

 

[The Guard]

I don't think it "grazes" on most of those concepts. It explores them pretty clearly. "Rip off of old movies?" So does the concept of The Punisher, when you think about it. The core concepts you speak of were featured in the film. They just weren't featured constantly. The Punisher is about punishing. You cannot deny that he did this in the 2004 movie, can you?

I suppose it'd be nice to see Frank save an innocent, and in a way I think you could say he did. But again, he's not so much about saving lives and being a hero as he is about "punishing".

 

[S. Grundy]

I suppose it'd be nice to see Frank save an innocent, and in a way I think you could say he did. But again, he's not so much about saving lives and being a hero as he is about "punishing".

Exactly, he's not a hero, anti-hero or whatever. He's basically a functioning psychopath, that thinks he has a job to do. But, it's not like he wouldn't do a heroic thing, rescue a child from a burning building, stop a rapist, etc... if he's in the right place at the right time.

 

[toneloak]

Exactly, he's not a hero, anti-hero or whatever. He's basically a functioning psychopath, that thinks he has a job to do. But, it's not like he wouldn't do a heroic thing, rescue a child from a burning building, stop a rapist, etc... if he's in the right place at the right time.

My point about him saving or killing someone other then a related mobster. Is simple to reiterate the idea that this is a war he's fighting. The ones who killed his family are the just the first of many. And, that's the simplest ideas I can come up with. That movie almost completely ignored that most pertinent of concepts. O4 felt like some movie rip-off of Garth Ennis's run on The Punisher. Simplistic and insulting for no reason. No Reason!

 

[S. Grundy]

My point about him saving or killing someone other then a related mobster. Is simple to reiterate the idea that this is a war he's fighting. The ones who killed his family are the just the first of many. And, that's the simplest ideas I can come up with. That movie almost completely ignored that most pertinent of concepts.

Yeah, but he's not Spider-Man, he's not going to go patrolling the streets looking for purse snatchers and what not. That aspect should only come from him, being at the right place, at the right time to stop it.

O4 felt like some movie rip-off of Garth Ennis's run on The Punisher. Simplistic and insulting for no reason. No Reason!

Who's to say War Zone won't be "simplistic and insulting", that movie can just as easily go either way.

 

[Bubonic]

True, most times when Frank makes a hit, its planned and organized ahead of time.
He is way too high profile to be constantly lurking around, looking for trouble.
On occasion, some unlucky sociopath will be caught in the act, and will be dispatched.

 

[The Guard]

I don't mind the angle of Frank fighting a war against crime itself, but THE PUNISHER was an origin story. I mean, if you have a problem with that fact, that's one thing, and I'm sure arguments can be made. But to take issue with only showing a few of his initial battles before he begins his real war in an origin movie? Kind of silly.

 

[antmanx68]

The reviewer loses all credibility with me with this line;

I enjoyed the 1989 version starring Dolph Lundgren that was shot in Sydney. Sure, it wasn’t perfect but in comparison to the bigger budgeted 2004 version, it was friggin’ “Titanic”!!!

Well, a lot of people thought that every moment of the 04 Punisher was laughably bad. Lungren was at least intimidating.

 

[Kable24]

Well, a lot of people thought that every moment of the 04 Punisher was laughably bad. Lungren was at least intimidating.

Good for them. I respect their opinion. What that has to do with my opinion, I have no clue.

 

[The Guard]

Every moment was bad? Isn't that a bit much?

 

[toneloak]

I don't mind the angle of Frank fighting a war against crime itself, but THE PUNISHER was an origin story. I mean, if you have a problem with that fact, that's one thing, and I'm sure arguments can be made. But to take issue with only showing a few of his initial battles before he begins his real war in an origin movie? Kind of silly.

They had plenty of time to have some random neighbors and a love interest inserted into the story. I think they had space for some public assistance.

If they gave a damn they would've understood how important something that simple is to the Punisher mythos. As someone else has said he's put his plan on hold, more then once I might add, to assist a cilvian. He has a soft spot for kids and sometimes ladies, sometimes.

Every moment was bad? Isn't that a bit much?

Maybe a kill toward the end was almost Punisher like but I was laughing and cringing so hard it was hard to tell. '04 had nothing to do with the Punisher. As a revenge movie I'd give it a 2 or 3 out of 5. Then again after there killing they completely ignored his family; thereby marginalizing the viewers ability to connect with the protagonist's feelings. So, strike that 3 they get a 1.5 for trying and I'm a nice guy.

 

[The Guard]

They had plenty of time to have some random neighbors and a love interest inserted into the story. I think they had space for some public assistance.

I'm not saying they couldn't have, but to whine because they didn't, and instead chose to show his personal war on crime because it was an origin story and that was part of the story seems kind of absurd.

If they gave a damn they would've understood how important something that simple is to the Punisher mythos.

It's in every superhero's mythology. It's not unique to The Punisher.

As someone else has said he's put his plan on hold, more then once I might add, to assist a cilvian. He has a soft spot for kids and sometimes ladies, sometimes.

He did put things on hold to assist a civilian. He helped Joan, remember?

Maybe a kill toward the end was almost Punisher like but I was laughing and cringing so hard it was hard to tell. '04 had nothing to do with the Punisher. As a revenge movie I'd give it a 2 or 3 out of 5. Then again after there killing they completely ignored his family; thereby marginalizing the viewers ability to connect with the protagonist's feelings. So, strike that 3they get a 1.5 for trying and I'm a nice guy.

Now you're just being ridiculous. They didn't ignore his family after they were dead.