Hip White People Using The N-Word: Right Or Wrong?

The N-word used to be exclusively for whites, now it's exclusively for blacks.

If you can't destroy a word at least change ownership.
 
Some people just shrug it off with "it's just a word" and all that, but f*** and s*** are "just" words, too. That doesn't mean it's not inappropriate. It makes you sound ignorant and uneducated, regardless of race or ethnicity. However, I don't actually get angry unless someone uses it with racist and malicious intent. If you do, you're just a racist motherf***er who needs that ass whooped.

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The words **** and **** can be used in an endearing way also.
 
The N-word used to be exclusively for whites, now it's exclusively for blacks.

If you can't destroy a word at least change ownership.

It was never exclusively for whites, it wasn't even always an offensive word, it just became one over time.
 
The n-word has no real use in modern vocabulary. We could all get by fine with out its use and I don't really see a point to the term still being used to be honest. Its not a term I use nor most of my black friends and family.

I think Black people who use the N-word tried to claim the word out of a defence mechanism.
I don't think E-Man is silly. Remember, slavery was not only legal once, but there were once laws and propaganda in place used to keep black people from achieving equality. Those laws are gone, but centuries of programming don't disappear overnight. They don't even disappear in a couple of generations. Deep down, there's something in the black community that makes some of us unconsciously hold ourselves back.

Have you ever seen Jane Elliots social racial experiment. Elliott taught third-grade (eight- and nine-year-olds) in a school in Riceville, a small all-white community in Iowa. On 5 April of that year, the day after Martin Luther King was assassinated, Elliott organised an exercise to show her class how racial discrimination worked.

She was convinced that the best way to tackle the problem was with the very young, so she divided her all-white children into two groups based on eye colour. She told the blue-eyed children that they were superior to their brown-eyed classmates, and she told the brown-eyed, who had to wear identifying collars, that they were less intelligent and poorly behaved. The result, according to her, was that blue-eyed children began to behave arrogantly and, after a short while, the brown-eyed children began to accept their lower position.

The next day she reversed the experiment, and the results reversed, although this time the brown-eyed children, having already experienced discrimination, were more sensitive to the suffering of their blue-eyed peers. The idea was simple and effective. Something as genetically incidental as eye colour became an analogue for the genetic superficiality of skin colour, and it was shown that when one group was favoured over the other, both groups quickly assumed their designated roles as oppressed and oppressor.
 
It was never exclusively for whites, it wasn't even always an offensive word, it just became one over time.
It was exclusive to whites for a long time. For that period it was meant to persecute blacks and only to persecute blacks.
 
I agree with your friend...but I feel a little stronger. I don't believe the N-word should be used in any context by anyone. I have never spoken that word, nor do I ever intend to.

agreed though i do feel bad that one of my favourite films uses it constantly (blazing saddles)
 
It was never exclusively for whites, it wasn't even always an offensive word, it just became one over time.

Naw man, it was always meant as mental abuse and degredation, along w/ all the physical and human abuses. Things breakdown as generations pass, jus cause its more plausible to some folks to argue its connotation over the what...last 15 years, less, don't make the other couple of centuries where the attitudes were different less valid.
 
The N-word has history behind the word. You already know that.

So do the words **** and ****. Like I said before blacks have been using the N-word as a term of endearment amongst themselves for a LONG time.
 
Naw man, it was always meant as mental abuse and degredation, along w/ all the physical and human abuses. Things breakdown as generations pass, jus cause its more plausible to some folks to argue its connotation over the what...last 15 years, less, don't make the other couple of centuries where the attitudes were different less valid.

The origins of the word did not come from a racist place. The word itself became racist over time. I did a paper on this in college, and its history is quite interesting.
 
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So do the words **** and ****. Like I said before blacks have been using the N-word as a term of endearment amongst themselves for a LONG time.

I'm just wondering, but what exactly is the point you were trying to get across when you quoted me?
 
I would sit the teenager down with a few bed time stories about the history behind the word. Different contexts does not make the use of a word okay. If I called a friend "a ****ing ******" I would be prolonging and maintaining the use of the word. Even though I wouldn't have meant it in a homophobic sense, I'm still using a phrase that is hurtful to a lot of people. What if another friend in our presence overheard me calling my friend a ****** in a vicious tone, what if that person was struggling with his own sexual feelings? How would that affect that person? We need to think about what we're saying instead of thinking in simple terms such as "Oh the context is right, I'm safe using this word."
I would sit your friend down with a few bed time stories on semantics and syntax, with a little crash course on English for good measure. As a youth I was prone to using similar statements. As are many today. But 99% of the time it has nothing to do with homosexuality. You'd call someone a "f*g" for cutting you in line, not giving you their class notes, refusing to tell you a secret, not sharing a video game controller, etc etc. By now, it has as much connection with the gays, as it does in acting like a *****ebag.

Do I need to explain how these situations have zero relation to homophobia, and thus should not considered be derogatory remarks against gays when used under those contexts? Do you want society to apologize for applying new meanings to these once frowned upon terms? You should take your own advice and read up on history. Word meanings have and will continue to change for eras on end.

They want "certain terms to remain negative" because they are still very much negative terms. For every time you call someone gay in a lighthearted sense, there is someone else in the world using the same term to bully another person. We can't clamp down on such things because of people like yourself who talk about context when using unacceptable words. Because you want to be able to use a word freely that word still lives on as a weapon to use against people in a hateful way. That may make me PC, whatever, I don't care.
You're PC. And apparently you're also very ignorant. You want to conjure up your own meanings for a word in every situation and context, that is solely on you. You want to take a term of endearment as a derogatory remark -- hey, have fun with that. I'll laugh it off and move on with my day.

I currently have a 90 year old (not exaggerating) Psych professor who still uses the word 'gay' in its original use of describing a merry mood. Some students laugh when he utters it, but we all know he means well. It'd be an understatement to say he's from a completely different generation. If there were a homosexual student in the class who actually took offense to his usage, I would not hesitate to call them a sensitive moron.

There is a big difference between recognizing the history of terms, and meaningful intent. You don't have to focus on one at the expense of the other.

Okay, what about the words gay and ******. I've already covered that nicely so thank you. :yay:
Gay and f****t join the ranks with "b***h", "s**t", and "f**k" as words with multitude of meanings in today's society. To relegate each only to their negative connotations or histories, and nothing beyond that, is pure ludicrous.

You don't want to be objective, fine. I'll leave you be. You should have exited the discussion the moment you threw impartiality out the window.

Some people just shrug it off with "it's just a word" and all that, but f*** and s*** are "just" words, too. That doesn't mean it's not inappropriate.
I sometimes wonder how people with this mentality function outside. Language can be twisted to fit any particular action or behavior. I'm interested where you live where words and statements are always good, or always bad.
 
I don't really think anyone should say the N word, whites or blacks. Like your friend said, this word is a taboo and it carries too much baggage with it, since it was used as a derogatory term against the blacks back in the old times. Even now, in message boards, we can't even spell the word without getting banned or criticized, which shows that even after all these years, the N word is still much too controversial to be used in casual terms.
 
the n-word shouldnt be used by anyone, ESPECIALLY blacks. the idea of flipping it to be something positive and bonding is just plain ignorant. if i were a black person, i'd honestly be more offended by hearing another black person use it than anyone else.
 
I see nothing wrong with blacks taking ownership of the N-word the same way gays take ownership by using the term F-A-G. I think it's kind of silly for whites to resent not being allowed to say as if it somehow hurts them. I don't resent the fact that gays can refer to each other as F-A-G and I can't because I'm heterosexual. Why should I?
As someone who is both BLACK and GAY I have absolutely no ownership of either word.
 
I agree with your friend...but I feel a little stronger. I don't believe the N-word should be used in any context by anyone. I have never spoken that word, nor do I ever intend to.
...thus the basis of its power.
 
So is nobody comprehending the fact that the words in question; n---er, f---ot, and gay, all had different meanings that were not deregetory towards any particular group of people? That they have evolved into derogetory words, thus can evolve back into non-derogetory terms, because evolution of words is a natural part of language?
 
Once something becomes derogatory...there's no going back. No matter how hard you try to change it.
 
Why not?

It's all a matter of society and what they accept.

It seems as though "ni--er" is becomming pretty non-derogatory as the years go by.

It's not there yet, because it's history is still to recent. But there is no reason why, as generations go by, and the discrimination of blacks becomes literally just a thing of the past, that words that were associated with that type of thing can lose their sting and become non-derogatory.
 
First of all, as someone who has seen BEP live twice (Once they were opening for a band was seeing, the second time was Zootopia, and they were one of the acts) I have to say that they are GOD AWFUL LIVE. Heck, just watch their live performances on tv. They're dreadful live.

Second, NO ONE should say that word. The fact that black people think they can say it and no one else can is stupid. If you have an offensive word that you don't want people to call you, DON'T USE IT YOURSELF. It's like we're asking for it.

Mentally disabled people are offended by the word ******. Gays don't like the word f*ggot. Yet, you don't see them saying "Yo, what up ******" or "What's good, f*ggot". They are offended by those words and have removed them from their vocabulary. The fact that black people continue to use that word like it's a term of endearment, but when someone who isn't black use it it's suddenly a racial slur it ridiculous and makes me sick to my stomache.
I agree, no one should use that word, if your black, white, yellow, green, orange etc etc etc

Being a certain skin color shouldn't let you have allowences over another skin color.

I don't know why, but two metally disabled people calling each other ''******'' in terms of affection, then beating up someone for saying it sounds like a comical moment to me. :hehe:
 
The word in general should no longer be apart of anyone's vocabulary. The fact the black community has tried to take it and give it a new meaning is sad, it's like they forgot what it use to stand for when they call each other that. It's on a short list of words I think should be banned from the English vocabulary period.
Its IMPOSSIBLE to ban a word. Racist, bigot people will always use the N-word. So I think the fact that the black community is trying to give it a new meaning is actually not that bad. I would love for it to disappear and no one ever use it...but again, not going to happen. It seems like "*****" is turning into the new "dude". So who cares if white people use it? This is taking a malicious word that has had so much history and pain and giving it a completely different meaning...its like turning a real gun with real bullets into a water gun (not the best analogy...but you get the point). The biggest problem is that people still get so offended when people use the word maliciously...which is understandable.
 
It's just a ****ing word. Only intent matters.
 
I like my n-word spoken by ignorant, red neck, imbred Southerners. :up:
 
Words are words are words. They only hurt if you let them.

Once something becomes derogatory...there's no going back. No matter how hard you try to change it.

We're gonna run out of words eventually, you silly tabletop. :cmad:
 

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