Sequels Hobgoblin - Could he be used for the future?

[GoldGoblin]

[BLACKOUT]There is a way to bring Hobgoblin to the big screen without it looking like spidey is facing another Goblin who is the villain again,and this is how:[/BLACKOUT]

They could make the Chameleon the main villain who comes into town to avenge his brother's death(Kraven)who has a messed up looking face,so he uses a latex mask to look like how he originally did which could be Roderick Kingsley.And when he finds the Goblin's lair he uses a real latex Goblin's mask,because he already uses them in his regular life.

It's a way to make Chameleon into a cool villain,plus we would get a cool looking Hobgoblin,and you could do other things with Chameleon.

He wouldn't have to be the Hobgoblin through out the entire movie either,just like during one major fight scene with spidey.Then when spidey runs into the Chameleon again,the Chameleon could be disguised as one of Peter's loved ones and mess with his head.

Like if the Chameleon took the Goblin formula before,and when he is disguised as say Uncle Ben,MJ,Harry,Aunt May,etc. he could actually put up a good physical fight since he would have super strength from the Goblin serum.

Then during the fight we could see the Chameleon get his latex mask ripped off where we see the Chameleon's real messed up face as he continues to fight spidey.

Then another time when spidey faces the Chameleon,the Chameleon could be disguised as Dr. Otto Octavius,and wearing the tentacles that the original Doc Ock used(Whether it is Doc Ock's original tentacles from his dead body,or an exact extra set of them that Doc Ock had in storage).

This is a way to bring the Chameleon to the big screen,to make him into a very cool villain,to see an actual Goblin(Hobgoblin),to see Doc Ock back in action without ruining his character at all,and to see other characters evolve somewhat by actually seeing them fight spidey/Peter as the Chameleon disguises himself as them.

And you could make the Chameleon/Roderick Kingsley into a rich guy because he could be a master spy/thief,and that's how he find's the tentacles,and Goblin's lair.

And it would be a way to have three villains in one movie,but actually it would be only one villain the entire time.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

If plastic Power Ranger Goblin costume was accepted, then Mysterio's look will be, too.

Another good point. Mysterio's look is much less ridiculous than the 2002 Green Goblin's.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

A lot of people are saying "No the stuff in spidey 3 was perfect! end of story" But spidey 3 only just touched down in dvd. How many people prob were blown away by the goblin action in spidey 1? And now everyone says its lame.

I don`t mean hobgoblin for spidey 4 but in about a decade or maybe even 2 even you staunch harry-is-dead-leave-it-at-that guys will prob be getting itchy for some fresh goblin crazyness. I mean if Lex Luthor is in every single bloody superman film then we can have at least 1 more goblin battle in this franchise one day.

Also if they go for sinister six and don`t want to use sandman (becuase of the way the character is in spidey 3) or Kraven (lets face it he ain`t brimming over in super power) in the team then Hobgoblin would be a good fill-in because he has less backstory to explain. All you have to explain is how someone found and stole the original goblin stuff, which is a lot quicker to explain than say doc ock or venom`s backstories.

It also depends on where and how you use him. If he is teamed with another villain it brings anotehr element to the mix that spidey 1 and 3 didn`t have. I mean imagine spidey trying to battle hobgoblin in the air and then getting attacked by scorpion immediatly he lands and shakes off the goblin. Or what if he is teamed with mysterio? So you have spidey unable to trust his perception of his surrounding while he is also being attacked by hobgoblin.

Also what if instead of having a spidey 3 type fight up high what if hobgoblin chases spidey at street level ff:rotss style with spidey and hobgoblin dodging cars and whipping round corners at break neck speed while hobgoblin tries to batter the wall crawler into the tarmac.

Or what about the gang war type storyline with hobgoblin trying to set himself up as a criminal overlord and battling another psidey villain for the control of nyc`s criminal underworld?

Don`t be too hasty to say you never want to see another appearance from a popular foe. I mean spidey 2 is great and i love the action in it but its only 3 years on and i can already think of a dozen doc ock fights which would warrant a return of his character in a future film.

 

[Vaportrail]

Bah. Why?
Hobgoblin is a good comic villain. He blackmails the Osborns, steals technology, has a large number of appearances.

We don't need all of this in a movie. The Osborns are dead. There's no tension and I think it's time to move away from Goblin-style action. I consider the first trilogy the "Osborn" trilogy (which they deserve, given their history in the books) with a few other villains filling the gaps.

The next trilogy should also have a central theme, which I initially imagined would be the symbiotes but we can prolly drop that for now, or it'll lose that same building tension. I don't think Hobgoblin deserves it, unless they do the Sinister Six. I forget if he was in there; they had so many different versions.

They've announced only two villains for 4 though, and I imagine they'll go right to the Lizard (sigh**) and prolly Kraven, cuz you need someone to hunt the beast that Spidey has to save it from, right? Right. Meanwhile, should he be dealing with his mutation into Man-Spider? Hmmmm.

But yeah.
Overall, my point is that there's lots of places to go that don't involve goblins. I wanted to hurt or lecture every kid I heard after Spidey 2 saying "Hobgoblin is next!" Sure, Harry wasn't the comic GG2 exactly, but that's close enough as far as cinema goes. Stretching it out would be a mistake.


**I would rather Connors knows about Peter's secret longer than one movie so the relationship between them is strengthened.

-Vaportrail

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

Bah. Why?
Hobgoblin is a good comic villain. He blackmails the Osborns, steals technology, has a large number of appearances.

We don't need all of this in a movie. The Osborns are dead. There's no tension and I think it's time to move away from Goblin-style action. I consider the first trilogy the "Osborn" trilogy (which they deserve, given their history in the books) with a few other villains filling the gaps.

The next trilogy should also have a central theme, which I initially imagined would be the symbiotes but we can prolly drop that for now, or it'll lose that same building tension. I don't think Hobgoblin deserves it, unless they do the Sinister Six. I forget if he was in there; they had so many different versions.

They've announced only two villains for 4 though, and I imagine they'll go right to the Lizard (sigh**) and prolly Kraven, cuz you need someone to hunt the beast that Spidey has to save it from, right? Right. Meanwhile, should he be dealing with his mutation into Man-Spider? Hmmmm.

But yeah.
Overall, my point is that there's lots of places to go that don't involve goblins. I wanted to hurt or lecture every kid I heard after Spidey 2 saying "Hobgoblin is next!" Sure, Harry wasn't the comic GG2 exactly, but that's close enough as far as cinema goes. Stretching it out would be a mistake.


**I would rather Connors knows about Peter's secret longer than one movie so the relationship between them is strengthened.

-Vaportrail

Hobgoblin could be stretched out over three movies, but he doesn't become Hobgoblin until the basically the end of the last movie. He would be sort of a puppet master, with eventually him being the leader of the Sinister Six. He's really the only viable candidate for leadership, since Ock is both dead and no-longer-evil. The emphasis wouldn't be on the "goblin-style action," but on his behind-the-scenes manipulations and evil character.

Not saying that's how they SHOULD do it. It's just how they COULD do it, especially if they wanted to do the Sinister Six for the sixth movie.

 

[DACrowe]

I understand if you were disappointed in the Goblin costume in SM1 but the character was well portrayed and Harry was the best part of SM3 and the action sequence at the beginning finally gave a satisfying arieal battle.

I mean it would just seem redundant to have a villain who audiences wil lthink is a rehash and call the movie desperate for using. There are plenty of other characters that are unique and haven't been seen yet. Hobgoblin while a great villain (one of hte last to be created of that calibur) was always Marvel's way of replacing the void of losing Norman Osborn. But the movies aren't going in that direction as they don't have to with a finite amount of films. It just would not be received well to do Hobby and would be a sign of desperation.

 

[Drizzle]

The way I see it, the only way we'll see a "movie universe" Hobgoblin is in the video games.

But if they did include him in the movies, I'd be interested to see Malcolm McDowell play Roderick Kingsley.

 

[weezerspider]

If they wait until 5 or 6, and they made him with a hood and all, it could work. The audiance wouldn't get tired of goblins because it would be a completely different look. I'm pretty sure thats why Harry's suit looked different from Normans, so it really felt like two different villains.

 

[Vaportrail]

Meh, I say. Meh.
No more Goblins.

-Vaportrail

 

[lordofthenerds]

^
We only had one technically.

Franco's character was credited as New Goblin/Harry Osborn. So technically we have had two Goblins...technically.

 

[The Joker]

Franco's character was credited as New Goblin/Harry Osborn. So technically we have had two Goblins...technically.

Plus, Peter called him Goblin Jr.

 

[BobJM]

Technically.

 

[Otto Octavius]

No.

We don't need Hobgoblin, the goblin legacy is done, it started with Norman and ended with Harry. What we need is the Lizard, Electro or Kraven.

agreed

 

[CorpusBlack]

Hobgoblin could be stretched out over three movies

I'd love to see Hobby stretched out over several films (ala Harry/Curt Conners). I don't think they'd do it in this case though. I think they'd rush threw him like Brock in one film and he'd be dead at the end. As far as the movie going public goes though, I don't think they'd want to see a third Goblin yet. It'd probably just confuse the non-comic readers.

Personally, I'd like to see him if he is done in a good way. I just don't know if the studios would back another Goblin.

 

[sauronthegreat]

I don't understand why everyone is against the idea to have Norman in one more film, the last one. He did return in the comics, and those were one of the most interesting issues done by Romita JR. That kind of storytelling definitely works on film. And he is Spider-Man's greatest villain, we must have a conclusion. Not to mention the fact that he was poorly done in the first film. They experimented with some ideas and in the end they returned to the classic looks of the characters, like Sandman for example. I pictured him very differently when he was mentioned by what the films have established so far at that time and in the end he worked perfectly. They know what they have done with the Goblin and they know that they must correct the mistake.
I think they must include some characters like the Kingpin and Jason Phillips Macendale to appear in future films to establish their character till the last one, when the Hobgoblin will appear. The films must take a more serious path now. It will be great if they try to take the ideas from the "Web of Spider-Man" and "Peter Parker Spider-Man" from the 90's. The Hobgoblin may put the mask and become the goblin to eliminate some crime bosses and take the chair as the city's crime lord. Norman, angered by this appearance of another goblin, decides to return and eliminate the [FONT=&quot]imposter and get his revenge on Spider-Man. It would be very interesting for Norman to psychologically torment Peter as he did in those comics, and Willem Dafoe is a perfect choice for that part.
And Harry was definitely not a goblin! He was just Harry!! He was not insane, he didn't have a goblin mask, he didn't have a goblin suite or a goblin glider. He was using the equipment of his father. Peter called him Goblin JR, but that was with sarcasm, pity, and mocking. He was named, in the credits as the New Goblin, but people you can't seriously think that it would be a name used by a person. It was just a name that illustrates the character and it was only used because of all those enraged fans who find the smallest, and sometimes insignificant things for which to hate a film.
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[Mr. Socko]

Harrison Ford for Hobby.

Yes, only a thought. No Goblins for a while.

 

[Spiderine]

Absolutely would love to see Hobby, just not anytime soon.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Mysterio COULD work. Trust me. He could be very, very cool onscreen.

I love it when people on the internet say, 'trust me' about things neither they, nor anyone else, could possibly have any idea about.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

I love it when people on the internet say, 'trust me' about things neither they, nor anyone else, could possibly have any idea about.

Damn. I hate to admit it, but you have a point. It's kind of a stupid, meaningless phrase, and I'm talking out of my ass.

That said, I am sincerely convinced that a good screenwriter, director, and actor could make the character work onscreen.

 

[Magneto]

Hobgoblin could work, just not for SM-4

 

[Spiderine]

Love to see Hobby in 5 or later on.

 

[Magneto]

i agree, he's a really cool villain but i think we've all seen enough goblins for right now

 

[Spiderine]

i agree, he's a really cool villain but i think we've all seen enough goblins for right now

We don't have to see him anytime soon as I definitely don't want him in 4 but I think overtime as we get other villains like Lizard Electro and Kraven the goblin hype will die down and Hobby can be introduced much later down the road. He should have a very distinct appearance from Norman's suit and Roderick would be a whole nutha threat with his own agendas.

 

[Magneto]

Agreed

 

[Spiderine]

I think Roderick can be a set up type villain meaning he could get a number of stories going as well as leading to the introduction of other villains and characters.