How brutal should Joker killings be?

Discussion in 'The Dark Knight' started by bdsproductions, May 9, 2006.

  1. bdsproductions Forever guarding Gotham

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2006
    Messages:
    512
    Likes Received:
    0
    i say instead of the gas he carves peoples faces into a smile and usually shoots/stabs them to death.lotta blood you usually shoukld only see the corpse and not the killing.
     
  2. War Lord Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2003
    Messages:
    30,667
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'd rather have the method of killing left to the imagination. The imagination is almost always better and the more bloody any depiction is, the harder it is to make future depictions less bloody.
     
  3. Silver Souper Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2004
    Messages:
    1,361
    Likes Received:
    0
    great idea, too bad WB is contracted to deliver a PG-13 bat film.
     
  4. Silver Souper Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2004
    Messages:
    1,361
    Likes Received:
    0
    implied brutality is good, i agree
     
  5. DAVIDYR1 Official Licensee

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2002
    Messages:
    1,547
    Likes Received:
    0

    I can accept that. As long as he's 'violent' in his ways...his dialogue, his mannerisms and his whole outlook on life. I dont want to see a clown...I want a killer, brutal and savage in his ways. The joker name should be just that...a name.
    He's got to be brutal enough to warrent Batman's attention...otherwise he's someone the local cops would deal with. I know, Bats goes after everyone who crosses the line but Jokers presence needs to be noticably worthwhile to get the relationship of good VS evil between the 2.
    Again, arch nemisis of the Bat...that needs to be visible and understood for that concept to stick in the minds of movie goers moreso than the fans like us who already get it.

    David
     
  6. mike blub Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2004
    Messages:
    85
    Likes Received:
    0
    implied brutality can be EXTREMELY effective, i agree. and as was also stated, the imagination almost ALWAYS paints a far more gruesome picture and heightens the sense of dread, etc. i think two good examples of this were in DUSK 'TIL DAWN (in the motel, towards the beginning) and FROM HELL (in the room rented by the prostitutes, towards the end). you didn't see too much of the victims' bodies, just some distant shots of lots of blood covering the walls, floor, etc. of the respective locales...
     
  7. kytrigger Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2006
    Messages:
    4,458
    Likes Received:
    0
    If you want to see how well implied brutality can work, just watch the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Yes it has some moment of gore, but not NEARLY as many as most people think/remember it had.
     
  8. cerealkiller182 Must Get Deadpool Avatar

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    12,997
    Likes Received:
    0

    very true! Lots of people are surprised at how implied rather than graphic it really is.
     
  9. Rynan Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2005
    Messages:
    1,480
    Likes Received:
    0
    Great Ceasers Ghost! The terrible ideas fad has returned! Must counter!

    [​IMG]

    DIE, CARVING IDEA! DIE!
     
  10. bdsproductions Forever guarding Gotham

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2006
    Messages:
    512
    Likes Received:
    0
    i mean pinning the guy/girl down opening his mouth and sliceing the mouth so it looks like a smile,slowly and laughing the whole time.
     
  11. javi1024 DANGER ZONE!

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    Messages:
    4,432
    Likes Received:
    0
    does The Joker use a knife? isn't he more of a gun and props kind of guy. stick to a gun. if he uses a bomb, wrap it in a present or a jack-in-the-box. use an acid-squirting flower (he doesnt have to carry it). he is called Joker for a reason, its not just a name.
     
  12. kenellard Guest

    why would you even pose this question when the answer is already pretty obvious? come on, everyone knows this will be pg13, so I highly doubt they'll be using horror-style cutaways to imply a brutal murder, they won't do anything of the sort. the gas works well for the age rating, it's gruesome, but not in a vicious, base kind of way. go watch scream or something :rolleyes:
     
  13. wikum Registered

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    Messages:
    2,139
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joker isn't a knife man though is he really? He's always been more of a Gun/Bombs kinda guy.

    I'd say Joker gas has to be used once, maybe to give Batman a message.

    I'd like to see him bomb Wayne Tower or something like that.

    Torturing or interrogating Maroni/Loeb/Flass. In my opinion this is an absolute certainty to happen in the film.

    Perhaps using the crowbar like death in the family.

    Other than those I thought his main weapon was his charm and his way to manipulate peoples minds.

    This is exactly why acting skills are far more important than looks for this role, especially in an interrogation scene or at the finale of the film. He can't get away with just a couple of gimmicks.

    Bettany and Hulme have the gift of the gab. The film needs someone like this.
     
  14. Katsuro Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2005
    Messages:
    5,616
    Likes Received:
    1
    I dont really think Joker needs to be overly violent and bloody. He's usually not portrayed that way in the comics. Yeah, sometimes his killings are bad, but he's perfectly fine gassing someone or just plain shooting them. I think the sheer number of people he kills should be enough to get Batman's attention.
     
  15. Ronny Shade back for a limited time

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    18,767
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joker should rape Rachel and pee on her
     
  16. Katsuro Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2005
    Messages:
    5,616
    Likes Received:
    1
    lmao, I remember when someone seriously suggested that. I'm so glad certain people aren't in charge of these films.
     
  17. StorminNorman Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2005
    Messages:
    30,519
    Likes Received:
    1
    It makes me think of SeriousDuke's Batman movie where Joker peed on the Dark Knight
     
  18. Ronny Shade back for a limited time

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    18,767
    Likes Received:
    0
    I never got that far
     
  19. kenellard Guest

    I think it all comes back to the old flawed theory that R-rated = serious (ie credible) movie
     
  20. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2005
    Messages:
    40,508
    Likes Received:
    2
    I think overly bloody killings are a bad idea. That's not The Joker's style. He's way more creative than that. Toxic gas, bombs, mini spear guns where the spears have "bang" flags on them, that sort of stuff. And The Joker shouldn't just be some axe weilding psycho. He's got more class than that. He's funny, witty, flamboiant, and a bit charismatic. That's the Joker.
     
  21. batmaluco Run, Batman! Run!

    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Messages:
    4,931
    Likes Received:
    0
    100% agreed. Bad idea because of this and the fact that implied brutality can be more effective in a film than an overly bloody scene.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"