How come Marvel always gets so lucky????

[NotFadeAway]

Seriously, on top of all the other success Marvel has found and all the things they have been able to achieve, now they get Jeph Loeb as there new top executive. And whats he talking about, live action television, something I have wanted DC to look into for awhile.

Loeb is a smart, creative guy that will help Marvel find even more success. And the damning thing is that DC had all the time in the world to make him there top guy. I don't know why Jeph Loeb, who has had success in comics and television/filmed work didn't get named the head of DC Entertainment.

 

[akfj]

Seriously, on top of all the other success Marvel has found and all the things they have been able to achieve, now they get Jeph Loeb as there new top executive. And whats he talking about, live action television, something I have wanted DC to look into for awhile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_series_based_on_DC_Comics

 

[Evil Twin]

How come DC doesn't get any credit? From 1988 until present, there's been at least one live action DC series on the networks or in syndication for 19 of 22 years, there was a gap of 1998 through 2000.

Heck, Marvel is still behind DC. Saying "we're looking to develop series for live action television" is not the same as "we're developing Blue Beetle for television".

 

[Billy Batson]

Marvel is not lucky, just LONG OVERDO imho.
DC has been top dog for a very, very, VERY long time.

 

[Prison Mike]

Honestly, I think Marvel is behind in the television sector. DC has had more success with their live action television department as well as animated series IMO. Marvel is of course excelling at their feature films but that's it. Truth be told when it comes to live action TV, I'm more interested in what DC has to offer.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, outside of Blade, Marvel hasn't done anything live action since......the Incredible Hulk. DC on the other hand has been churning out shows for years. From Lois and Clark, to Bird's or Prey, to Smallville, and now Blue Beetle. Now, the big question is of course quality of programing, and with Loeb running things, it's likely not to be much better on either side of the fence.

 

[dnno1]

How come DC doesn't get any credit? From 1988 until present, there's been at least one live action DC series on the networks or in syndication for 19 of 22 years, there was a gap of 1998 through 2000.

Heck, Marvel is still behind DC. Saying "we're looking to develop series for live action television" is not the same as "we're developing Blue Beetle for television".

1998 to 2001 (Smallville first aired in 2001). DC has been very successful with both live action TV and animated cartoon series for the past 60 years. Marvel has had their share, but it's no where near as many as DC.

 

[Judge Holden]

You think Marvel is lucky for having Jeph Loeb in charge? I think it's an idiotic move. Loeb is a pale, pale shadow of his former self.

And as already said... DC has had live action TV shows for years.

 

[Figs]

How come DC doesn't get any credit? From 1988 until present, there's been at least one live action DC series on the networks or in syndication for 19 of 22 years, there was a gap of 1998 through 2000.

Heck, Marvel is still behind DC. Saying "we're looking to develop series for live action television" is not the same as "we're developing Blue Beetle for television".

Not at all. Movies > Television shows

DC is behind Marvel as far as quality goes. Not all of Marvel's films may be great but at least 10 of them are for the most part.

Then you take into account Smallville which is their biggest show right now that I didn't find all that great(sorry, I watched the two part pilot and couldn't bear the dialogue and I think they wrote his character a bit wrong). I think DC is the one that needs to pick up the pace and kick Warner Brother's asses to start working on more films. At least they got a talented group doing the next Superman and Green Lantern is coming out next year.

 

[dnno1]

My opinion is that Marvel's selection of Loeb is just a display of their committment to getting their characters more involved in television.

 

[Micromind]

DC > Marvel Why ? Geoff Johns > Jeph Loeb.

 

[Judge Holden]

Loeb has produced anything of quality in AGES though. His work on Ultimates and Hulk is laughably bad.

 

[BlueLightning]

Lets compare:

Marvel started having decent films starting with Blade, then all the next decade they got the Blade Trilogy, the Spider-Man Trilogy, the X-Men Trilogy (plus one spin-off), two Iron Man movies,two Hulk movies, two Fantastic Four movies, two Punisher Movies, a Daredevil movie(plus one spin off), and a Ghost Rider movie.

You may argue about the overall quality of the films, but from those 21 movies almost half have not being well received critically. But it has produced many of the best films of the genre.

Next you have DC, which pretty much stablished the genre with Superman The Movie, but talking in modern times, around the 90's it had 4 Batman movies, and Steel, in which half of the films where, critically, not well received.

In the next decade it had 2 Batman films, which are among the best films of the genre, one Superman film, which I believe its very underrated, Watchmen, Jonah Hex and Catwoman.

Overall 6 films, in which only 2 of the bunch have met with dissapointments critically.

Also, you may also count into these movies from other imprints:

On the other hand we have the animated films.

I think DC gets the upper hand here with, with many films of great quality overall.

So yes. Marvel has been doing a lot of homework in order to exploit their characters, (some for good, and some for worse) and maybe one of the reasons DC Entertainment division has been created. I think DC has been ver very cautious in some aspects, but I think in this new decade things are going to get very interesting.

Where promises like Avengers, Captain America, Batman 3, Green Lantern, Superman Reboot, and so many others (Flash and Wonder Woman maybe). We'll se which movie formulas work and which doesn't. I think if DC can play their cards right could do so many good things in this decade

And then, there is the animated series department, but I'm not going into this right now, maybe someone can compare.

But the thing is that, it really doesn't matter how many movies are being made, but the quality of them, I believe both companies are doing a good job, and the promises for the next decade are so exciting, it is indeed a good time for being a superhero fan.

 

[dnno1]

@BlueLightning: Your listing does not include the Batman nor Superman serials that were shown in theaters in the late 1940's. If you are going to include the 1941 Captain America short subject film for Marvel, then you will also have to include the DC shorts (that would also include The Adventures of Captain Marvel, Spy Smasher, Hop Harrigan, Congo Bill, and Black Hawk).

 

[Evil Twin]

Not at all. Movies > Television shows

Arguable. 10 seasons of a television show may very well be more profitable than a bunch of not quite successful franchises. But we don't have the books to really say in that regard.

And, that's really NOT the point of the thread. The whole premise of the thread, that DC has to do something to catch up with Marvel now that Loeb has been named to head up television development is flat out wrong. DC is ahead of Marvel in that department and have been for over 2 decades.

And, more to the point, naming Loeb to that position doesn't mean that anything is going to develop in the immediate future. DC apparently has Blue Beetle in development. Marvel is still putting plans together. Until Marvel actually gets something moving towards a pilot, they're behind DC in that department.

 

[The Batman]

I swear to god, people who bash DC/Wb need to gain some perspective...

Nevermind that Jeph Loeb's new position is basically marvel ripping off of DC putting Geoff Johns in charge of media. Nevermind that DC has been kicking marvel's ass in Tv for years now...Nevermind that Geoff's been trying to get a live action blue beetle show in development...

No....as usual, whiny fanboys wanna ignore what DC's actually doing. some of you are so busy looking at the grass on the other side (which isnt as green as you think it is), that you're not paying attention to the daisies growing on the lawn.

 

[Anubis]

Well, lets just hope that Loeb delegates well. Cuz if he takes the reigns the quality may suffer.

 

[El Payaso]

I think I am the lucky one since I have liked many of those and have given a crap who's producing or which comic house they come from.

 

[BlueLightning]

@BlueLightning: Your listing does not include the Batman nor Superman serials that were shown in theaters in the late 1940's. If you are going to include the 1941 Captain America short subject film for Marvel, then you will also have to include the DC shorts (that would also include The Adventures of Captain Marvel, Spy Smasher, Hop Harrigan, Congo Bill, and Black Hawk).

I'm sorry, I tried to grab the most prominent examples, I did not include TV movies and other things.

But for one, I was just trying to make some memory, mostly for myself, because sometimes we forget how things change, and the effects this may have on the industry.

I for one, I am very excited to see how the Marvel strategy for movies (creating potentially a Marvel Movie Universe) and the apparent DC strategy (of mantaining their franchises isolated) would work.

 

[batlovescatDC]

How many threads are we going to have like this under the DC Films forum?

You wanna ***** about how Marvel does better than DC in your opinion? That's absolutely fine but go do it in the Marvel threads, please. Thank you.

 

[Judge Holden]

The Fountain is not based off a comic book... the story and screenplay were originally created by Ari Handel and Aronofsky.

The comic is based off the film.

 

[Figs]

Arguable. 10 seasons of a television show may very well be more profitable than a bunch of not quite successful franchises. But we don't have the books to really say in that regard.

And, that's really NOT the point of the thread. The whole premise of the thread, that DC has to do something to catch up with Marvel now that Loeb has been named to head up television development is flat out wrong. DC is ahead of Marvel in that department and have been for over 2 decades.

And, more to the point, naming Loeb to that position doesn't mean that anything is going to develop in the immediate future. DC apparently has Blue Beetle in development. Marvel is still putting plans together. Until Marvel actually gets something moving towards a pilot, they're behind DC in that department.

Of course my statement about films being better than TV shows is arguable, it's just my opinion and I wasn't talking about success between the two but overall quality in regards to budget and camera work.

Sorry if I misunderstood the point of the thread even though it was named "How come Marvel always gets so lucky????". I figured the OP was saying that Marvel's decent number of successful films was all based on luck rather than getting a good creative team that makes a good to great movie. My mistake.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

There's only 1 thing I know for certain. When it comes to animation, DC kick Marvel's arse. Repeatedly.

 

[Red Mask]

Warner Bros. is a big company. DC's properties have nothing to worry about in the long run.

This isn't a situation here it's like:

DC: We're as happy as clams

vs.

Marvel: If you're not in our films...you suck.

 

[chiefchirpa]

There's only 1 thing I know for certain. When it comes to animation, DC kick Marvel's arse. Repeatedly.

And Pixar/Disney kick any WB animation ass infinitely. Marvel is now Disney. Don't say I don't warn you...